Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Not Chara]

I absolutely refuse to believe that Skullduggery would go "Gee town you finally got an antitown lynch." So let's cut your numbers in half and oh yeah because scum can't be culted we take from all town. That I just do not buy.

who says scum can't be culted? this game is using non-standard roles. it also wouldn't be a cult, really, if it happened all on one night.

[Not Chara]

So no I simply cannot believe that a massive group of people changed alignment because then we could not win by playing to wincon.

why do you keep saying things like

massive

? why not two players? why not players who weren't town to begin with?

[MathBlade]

I absolutely refuse to believe that Skullduggery would go "Gee town you finally got an antitown lynch." So let's cut your numbers in half and oh yeah because scum can't be culted we take from all town. That I just do not buy.

who says scum can't be culted? this game is using non-standard roles. it also wouldn't be a cult, really, if it happened all on one night.

Because at that point it isn't Mafia. It is like resetting the entire fucking game and starting over. We would have nothing to go off of and no way to find anything out and we would be back in fucking RVS just no.

[Nahdia]

*cough*
Bastard game
*cough*

[Nahdia]

Scum being unable to be culted is a terrible assumption. Did you already forget Gistou?

[MathBlade]

So no I simply cannot believe that a massive group of people changed alignment because then we could not win by playing to wincon.

why do you keep saying things like

massive

? why not two players? why not players who weren't town to begin with?

If it was a small group of players then no need for 24+ hours.

[Nahdia]

I disagree completely.

[MathBlade]

Scum being unable to be culted is a terrible assumption. Did you already forget Gistou?

I never forget that game but that game was multifaction at front this is not.

[Not Chara]

i don't see what's so incredibly impossible about a town and a scum being converted into a Gaster faction. or what have you. you're severely overstating the potential impact of this cult. it's a 22-player game. swapping the alignments of 2-3 players in a bastard game isn't strange.

[Not Chara]

So no I simply cannot believe that a massive group of people changed alignment because then we could not win by playing to wincon.

why do you keep saying things like

massive

? why not two players? why not players who weren't town to begin with?

If it was a small group of players then no need for 24+ hours.

'hey, your alignment has been changed, this other player(s) is your new buddy.'
'can we have 24 hours to go over a new gameplan quickly? this is a bit sudden.'
'well, of course. imagine if i didn't give you 24 hours.'

[MathBlade]

I am going back to bed. There is no way in hell a large ass group of people were culted last night enough to support 24 hours downtime or I am playing a game I literally cannot win which in that case clear divisions would be drawn which just isn't there.

Goodnight and no touchy Cakey.

[Not Chara]

stop using different synonyms for 'big' when describing the other faction.
i don't trust your judgement on Cakez.

[PeregrineV]

Like, town redirector? You'd have to be referring to PeregrineV.

Hey PeregrineV, who did you redirect into mathblade last night, fam?

I don't have a night action.

[Nahdia]

Wild stuff.

[Nahdia]

Oh hey I figured out Cakez' role.

Yeah fuck off MathBlade, we can lynch him.

[PeregrineV]

no, im going to talk to you. im going to tell you how obtuse you're being.

"A new faction has been created.

MY FACTION."

NEW

new
n(y)o͞o/Submit
adjective
1.
not existing before; made, introduced, or discovered recently or now for the first time.
"new crop varieties"

N - E - W

He is also dead. The mod could have just made a new dead faction, and still not have lied to us.

But, keep claiming there is a cult.

It's logically the neighborhood, so they should all be killed.

[PeregrineV]

New faction. New. NEW.

If a new scum faction emerged that was different from the old one, and any of those former scum are now town, they would out that info.

No one has.

[BigYoshiFan]

Have we ruled out the possibility of Maxous doing the nightkills? It would explain a lot of things, including but not limited to:

1) The fact that we have hit only Townies thus far.

2) The fact that the nightkills seemed random.

When the mass replacing happened, Skullduggery said that "there are at least two opposing factions that cannot win together". This is, obviously, a very broad sentence, but it doesn't rule out the possibility of Maxous being the only town-opposing faction up until his death.

What we know about Maxous's role:

1) He claimed to be Ascetic
2) He claimed to be a Roleblocker.
3) He shits a faction upon death (yes, I don't think we can dispute that).
4) He had a selection of game-affecting skills.

This role already seems overpowered for a regular third party. He is a faction-creating ascetic roleblocker that can mess with core functions of the game. Why would a role such as this be considered at all in the setup if it wasn't for the fact that it is the sole adversary to Town? Add to the role's features already described the ability to nightkill and you have literally a one-man scumteam. Also, the fact that details of his role weren't published could indicate that said details would actually help Town significantly with what is going on.

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I started thinking about the aforementioned possibility because literally I cannot scumread anyone in this game right now.

And while I cannot exactly townread BYF at this point with his previous day track record, I am troubled by the fact that nobody else claimed to be responsible for the absence of nightkill. If someone knew he/she/they were responsible, they should had come out and counterclaimed BYF.

UNVOTE:

Unless something significant happens, my vote will again go to BYF.

Here's what I gathered:
I'm gonna throw out the possibility that scum doesn't exist so I can sneak under the radar as scum.
Also, I'm gonna unvote BYF since I have to now that he's claimed, but keep my suspicions on him so I am backed-up when I vote him again.

[PeregrineV]

Also, if Maxous the scum/cult creating faction creates the faction upon his death, then he gets killed day1 to make the most minions. It has to be a percentage number or else it makes no sense balance wise.

So, overall, I think it is flavor only.

[BigYoshiFan]

SirCakez
PeregrineV
BigYoshiFan
Almost50
Creeps20
Giovanni

continuing with the assumption that clears are clear (which is in-line with my townreads within the group, barring Giovanni), these are the only players i'd be willing to lynch today. so, my unvote is a bit moot. i'd still like to examine them to see who i'd prefer.

Actually, I'm willing to go against the tide and declare all clears to be uncleared, and thus won't be taking them into consideration until someone flips and their alignment is confirmed. In fact, the one who would provide us with the most info in that circle would still be Narna, but I'm not willing to flip that slot just yet since we do have better lynch targets in Nahdia, Accountant and Cakez.

Yes, agreed. I don't particularly like that NC's list was based on supposed clears.

[Nahdia]

New faction. New. NEW.

If a new scum faction emerged that was different from the old one, and any of those former scum are now town, they would out that info.

No one has.

Except then they would be outting themselves as culted, you numbskull.

Also, if Maxous the scum/cult creating faction creates the faction upon his death, then he gets killed day1 to make the most minions. It has to be a percentage number or else it makes no sense balance wise.

So, overall, I think it is flavor only.

Christ almighty, you think THAT was just flavor? You think the day long gap and the extended night phase were flavor? What the hell is with these people? Seriously, I can't fucking comprehend the mindset that goes into seeing something like that and shrugging and saying "oh well it's probs nothin' lol". What the fuck.

[JaeReed]

i don't see what's so incredibly impossible about a town and a scum being converted into a Gaster faction. or what have you. you're severely overstating the potential impact of this cult. it's a 22-player game. swapping the alignments of 2-3 players in a bastard game isn't strange.

Especially given 1 nightkill a night (I think?)

[JaeReed]

New faction. New. NEW.

If a new scum faction emerged that was different from the old one, and any of those former scum are now town, they would out that info.

No one has.

No they wouldn't. What.

[PeregrineV]

New faction. New. NEW.

If a new scum faction emerged that was different from the old one, and any of those former scum are now town, they would out that info.

No one has.

Except then they would be outting themselves as culted, you numbskull.

So if you have joined the "new Maxous faction" but used to be scum, you get all of your old scumbuddies lynched while your cultbuddies cult the rest of town. That makes your cult win.

(If this is obvious to a numbskull like me, how do you miss this?)

Also, if Maxous the scum/cult creating faction creates the faction upon his death, then he gets killed day1 to make the most minions. It has to be a percentage number or else it makes no sense balance wise.

So, overall, I think it is flavor only.

Christ almighty, you think THAT was just flavor? You think the day long gap and the extended night phase were flavor? What the hell is with these people? Seriously, I can't fucking comprehend the mindset that goes into seeing something like that and shrugging and saying "oh well it's probs nothin' lol". What the fuck.

Sorry, I will proceed to run around like a chicken with my head cut off. That will catch scum and cult and anything else that the mod indicated should be caught.

Let's see your list for scum, and your separate but equally important list of "the new Maxous faction".

[PeregrineV]

New faction. New. NEW.

If a new scum faction emerged that was different from the old one, and any of those former scum are now town, they would out that info.

No one has.

No they wouldn't. What.

Why would they not?