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I don't like this. There are tons of other roles that could lead to no-results. This could just give scum easy mislynches. This + your "scumslip" thing earlier really make it seem like you are out for excuses to push lynches.In post 748, -Grey- wrote:Since Gamma claimed Ascetic Enabler, any "no results" results should be insta-lynched because the ascetic(s) is/are scum hiding behind the role.
I'm happy returning to my previous vote.
VOTE: Naomi
At this point I think I am convinced enough to drop the Asphodel thing for the moment - though I'd like to revisit it later.
VOTE: Grey-
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I don't for a second buy an ascetic enabler + roleblocker/rolestopper in this game.In post 751, krylea wrote:I don't like this. There are tons of other roles that could lead to no-results.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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Unless I misread your post. You are saying any ascetics are scum.In post 752, -Grey- wrote:
I don't for a second buy an ascetic enabler + roleblocker/rolestopper in this game.In post 751, krylea wrote:I don't like this. There are tons of other roles that could lead to no-results.
Town enabler suggests at least one town ascetics (obviously could be a red herring and we have none at all).
To say a no result = scum is not town thinking.-
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Nah. 303 was goodposting.In post 753, Alisae wrote:Now that I think about it, Grey's origonal vote on me seemed very forced.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
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You're tunneled homie.In post 754, TwoFace wrote:
Unless I misread your post. You are saying any ascetics are scum.In post 752, -Grey- wrote:
I don't for a second buy an ascetic enabler + roleblocker/rolestopper in this game.In post 751, krylea wrote:I don't like this. There are tons of other roles that could lead to no-results.
Town enabler suggests at least one town ascetics (obviously could be a red herring and we have none at all).
To say a no result = scum is not town thinking.
I'm saying town has a NU role that strengthens scum because any town ascetics would have claimed by now.
Scum is hiding behind their camouflage and will claim there's a roleblocker if someone gets a no result like krylea is already posturing for.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
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No pr is claiming day 1. Ascetic or not. Well no smart one anywayIn post 756, -Grey- wrote:I'm saying town has a NU role that strengthens scum because any town ascetics would have claimed by now.-
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That tell works just about as well as all the other scumtells.In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.
He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.-
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Negative utility always claims straight out the gate. You should be experienced enough to know that.In post 757, TwoFace wrote:
No pr is claiming day 1. Ascetic or not. Well no smart one anywayIn post 756, -Grey- wrote:I'm saying town has a NU role that strengthens scum because any town ascetics would have claimed by now.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch-
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This game is crazy. You're right -- I need to do some reevalyations.In post 735, Alisae wrote:
Vote some nerds when ywall get the chance please, otherwise it looks bad cause to me this reads to me as ywall have no strong scumreads.In post 733, XnadrojX wrote:Not Voting 4 (Ircher, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Rainbowdash)-
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In post 759, -Grey- wrote:
Negative utility always claims straight out the gate. You should be experienced enough to know that.In post 757, TwoFace wrote:
No pr is claiming day 1. Ascetic or not. Well no smart one anywayIn post 756, -Grey- wrote:I'm saying town has a NU role that strengthens scum because any town ascetics would have claimed by now.In post 678, TwoFace wrote:I've never heard of that being proper play and I've had the ascetic modifier a couple of times.-
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Whats your point here?In post 758, Ircher wrote:
That tell works just about as well as all the other scumtells.In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.
He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.-
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Hrm....In post 752, -Grey- wrote:
I don't for a second buy an ascetic enabler + roleblocker/rolestopper in this game.In post 751, krylea wrote:I don't like this. There are tons of other roles that could lead to no-results.-
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Are you in cahoots with Skold?In post 758, Ircher wrote:
That tell works just about as well as all the other scumtells.In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.
He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.<Embrace The Void>
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I would be far more concerned about that one. We speak in declaratives quite a bit, such as "Grey is scum".In post 745, TwoFace wrote:If somebody said "scum probably have day talk" would that be a slip?
That bothers me a little, but I still have a fairly solid town read on him. HoweverIn post 747, Flubbernugget wrote:What do you think about Ircher saying that being pr confirmed ascetic with no claim is an auto lynch?
Grey is still pushing it without addressing my post about why this logic is bad and my case on him. Can we really lynch him at this point?In post 748, -Grey- wrote:Since Gamma claimed Ascetic Enabler, any "no results" results should be insta-lynched because the ascetic(s) is/are scum hiding behind the role.
No they don't. The only role that I can see as the justifiable D1 claim out the gate is PGO, otherwise you help scum. Plus Ascetic is not necessarily negative utility. You will learn that with experience.-Grey- wrote:Negative utility always claims straight out the gate. You should be experienced enough to know that.You don't earnloyaltyin a day. You earn it day by day-
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It's a pretty much useless "tell".In post 762, Alisae wrote:
Whats your point here?In post 758, Ircher wrote:
That tell works just about as well as all the other scumtells.In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.
He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.-
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What's your opinion of my theory that any ascetics are scum?In post 764, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Are you in cahoots with Skold?In post 758, Ircher wrote:
That tell works just about as well as all the other scumtells.In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.
He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
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Can you prove that it's wrong?In post 766, Ircher wrote:
It's a pretty much useless "tell".In post 762, Alisae wrote:
Whats your point here?In post 758, Ircher wrote:
That tell works just about as well as all the other scumtells.In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.
He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.-
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The onus is on you to prove that it's right.In post 768, Alisae wrote:
Can you prove that it's wrong?In post 766, Ircher wrote:
It's a pretty much useless "tell".In post 762, Alisae wrote:
Whats your point here?In post 758, Ircher wrote:
That tell works just about as well as all the other scumtells.In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.
He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.
Which you can't.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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MillerIn post 765, Rainbowdash wrote:
I would be far more concerned about that one. We speak in declaratives quite a bit, such as "Grey is scum".In post 745, TwoFace wrote:If somebody said "scum probably have day talk" would that be a slip?
That bothers me a little, but I still have a fairly solid town read on him. HoweverIn post 747, Flubbernugget wrote:What do you think about Ircher saying that being pr confirmed ascetic with no claim is an auto lynch?
Grey is still pushing it without addressing my post about why this logic is bad and my case on him. Can we really lynch him at this point?In post 748, -Grey- wrote:Since Gamma claimed Ascetic Enabler, any "no results" results should be insta-lynched because the ascetic(s) is/are scum hiding behind the role.
No they don't. The only role that I can see as the justifiable D1 claim out the gate is PGO, otherwise you help scum. Plus Ascetic is not necessarily negative utility. You will learn that with experience.-Grey- wrote:Negative utility always claims straight out the gate. You should be experienced enough to know that.<Embrace The Void>
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^ Something a player that I respect once told me.I will ALWAYS make the point that pushing on fake slips is a scumtell, in every single game I ever play. Because it's been a very reliable tell for me. I'll let you in on a couple of my other tricks as well; being "excited" about the game when the general mood is depressed or uninterested to the point of wanting to abandon is a scumtell. Claiming an investigative PR and making a lot of content about who you're going to check the following night (especially framing it as an fos ie "For that I'm going to check YOU tonight") is a scumtell. Jumping on people for too quickly commenting on a nightkill is a scumtell. These are all things I will pretty much always points out when they happen, regardless of my alignment.
Scum love having a "justified" vote. Instinctively, they look for a vote where they can lean back on a "factual" basis. A "slip" is a perfect example. When you push on a slip, you're no longer making your own read, you're just saying A therefore B. There is no read, you're presenting it as a fact. And when the person you push flips town, you don't have to defend your "read" being wrong, you can just use that justification you built as a scape-goat. It's what scum subconsciously do ALL THE TIME. Yes, sometimes town will mistakenly think they've found a scumslip. Players like Mathblade are notorious for that kind of play. But as a general rule it's a scum tactic.-
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Bad assumption.In post 768, Alisae wrote:
Can you prove that it's wrong?In post 766, Ircher wrote:
It's a pretty much useless "tell".In post 762, Alisae wrote:
Whats your point here?In post 758, Ircher wrote:
That tell works just about as well as all the other scumtells.In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.
He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.
Mafia have the info advantage and are actually (imo - not necessarily statistically proven) less likely to make aforementioned slips than a player that was town. The mafia care about their image cuz getting lynched is the last thing they want. Town cares much less, especially if vanilla.-
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It's terrible. There's likely ascetics in both alignments.In post 767, -Grey- wrote:
What's your opinion of my theory that any ascetics are scum?In post 764, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Are you in cahoots with Skold?In post 758, Ircher wrote:
That tell works just about as well as all the other scumtells.In post 727, Alisae wrote:I think I need to explain how Grey fucked up.
He called Naomi's thing a "Slip." but was that a slip? No, it wasn't.
Scum like to push slips. They like to have a justified vote.
So thats why my tell on Grey works.<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
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