Mini 1849 : DotA Mafia [R2 - SD] Game Over?!!

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 3.10

Creature (2): xSoniaNevermindx
xSoniaNevermindx (1): Creature

Not Voting (5): Nahdia, Lady Lambdadelta, Leonshade, Dunnstral, JaeRead

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2016-12-29 18:00:00)

[Dunnstral]

Who should I iso: sonia or creature?

Sonia I'll let you decide

Creature says I've been scummy so iso me and you make that call.

OK.

one way or another your choice has been noted

[Dunnstral]

Random voting stage is the only time I can relax and make any joke I want without people jumping on my ass
SO SORRY IF I LIKE RVS ;-;

eh

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Sonia
Oh no a wagon I'm so scared

HmmMMMMmmm

[Dunnstral]

I'm gonna run outside naked if lady flips scum

Noted.


Though:

Tr in this order Radical sick fire

Sr in this order Leon Creature

Why isn't she here?

Spoiler: LLD stuff

Can we talk outside of LLD right now and look for other scum reads instead of fighting atm or is that a no

Anyone who sr's lady for meta does she do this as town?
If so I don't think you should sr the ate and mostly looking at the posts themselves

I have my "I told you post" ready for when LLD flips town
and I also have my yell ready if she somehow flips scum no one is defending her there is a dead counter wagon and all this screams one thing say it with me now

M I S L Y N C H

hmmMMmmM

Spoiler: anoter interesting interaction ft. my slot

We don't yet know if anyone lied, the Ted slot might have roleblocked LLD.

But Sickofit claimed to RB Ted last night...

Excuse me?
VOTE: Sick
Claiming to rb ted over me or LLD from the way sick is acting doesn't add up

I absolutely fuckng hate both the LLD slot and the Ted slot equally so.

You are reading the whole thread right?

I was going into this day ready to chainlynch LLD and Ted.

I realize that maybe LLD and Ted are not partners, but their actions couldn't be ignored.

The reason I roleblocked Ted was because I feel that LLD would probably not make the night kill since she was universally scumread by everyone except for you.

Something happened here to where I don't have my vote and I intend to find out why.

Do*

Did you ever d1 him day 1 and if so can you quote it.

I think there's about a 30% chance.
I csnt believe we let LLD get away.

I wasn't even close to a deadline.
Scum protecting his partner?

It's Ted and LLD I'm calling it now
VOTE: LLD

Two more votes.

Do you think it's an ok idea to quicklynch this?
I don't think I want to wait the whole 12 dad or whatever but I would like to push Ted a bit more.

I'm mostly sure it's Ted.

The way he's been acting and that turn onto vax, then the "I was reading him as scum, look at my read list"

Vax according to his read list was townier than Lady

I'm 99% sure that there is at least one scum in Ted/LLD.

But who's flip would get more information?

Youre not reading the thread.

UNVOTE:
you're right I mostly skim ^_^

Oh hi Vedith long time no play
VOTE: Sonia

why do you do this

I don't see why were doing this but sure scum can just lie about the card they got yeah?

Don't level psi blade...

Like that ability is actually anti-utility?

Oh look a vote on me.
How Cute

eh was wondering how long I could semi coast.
I think lynching LDD is the best choice I don't have a mega townread on her and the more she lives the more of a "well I think she's scum" goat target she is so this is prob best moving forward
VOTE: LLD

W H A T
What caused this? Note that I haven't actually read most of what's happening

Alright, from reading up to there in your iso I'd agree that you're scummy and it's not odd for creature to be voting you.

Whether you're actually scum remains to be seen I guess? But I'm eying your interactions with LLD slot

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Because at that time I started caring about the game blah blah
yeah I'm obv not putting a point in Psi Blade
I'm not scummy I think I've done pretty well imo

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Like I'd be bold enough to say
If I was scum this game
I think I should win

[Dunnstral]

Does refraction stop a lynch on you?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Na only bp at night

[Dunnstral]

Like why is psi blade even an ability *grumble grumble*

I'm getting upset for your sake no worry

What ability do you have leveled?

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Meld (that I just used)
and refact so I have another double vote if need b

[Dunnstral]

Who's scum if creature is town?

I disagree that you've been obvious town and so he shouldn't be on you, think I asked that question before too and you said nahdia but "you don't know who the partner could be"

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Yeah prob nat.
And then I'd be like
"I did my job gl lolol"

[Dunnstral]

Can psi blade hammer two people at the same time?

[Frozen Angel]

Titus replaces LLD; Effective immediately.

[Titus]

Hi. I am here. I don't know what I am doing yet.

VC please and unvote if voting

[Frozen Angel]

It's one in this page top ....

REALLY?! >.>

[Titus]

I am dumb and tired. Sorry.

[Dunnstral]

I'm dunn and tired

[JaeReed]

Hey Titus

Are you scum?

[Leonshade]

Welcome! Catch-up posts to Nahdia apply to you, too. JaeReed replaced the Vedith slot, Dunn the MathBlade slot.

[JaeReed]

For Titus since I know she doesn't read up, this is what I assume Leon's catch up posts include:

Spoiler:

Welcome!

We haven't caught any scum yet. Half the town (myself included) has been attempting to lynch Lady Lambdadelta since D1. On D1, her wagon got to L-1, but a rival wagon on Vaxkiller started and the Frizzy Cola/TwizTed/Vedith/replacement slot quickhammered the wagon despite having LLD as their top scumread. That's why I'm reading the slot as LLD's most likely partner, if LLD is scum.

The D2 lynch was BRantz, who was mostly a lurker/non-factor, after the latter half of the day was filled with mechanics/night action analysis BS (thanks partly to me) and apathy.

Today MathBlade replaced the Sickofit slot and pushed hard on Creature, who hadn't been scumread up to that point. It got other players to take a closer look at Creature, including me, who had TR'd him since D1.

Today's lynch so far has looked like it will be between Creature, Sonia and LLD, but nothing is set in stone and town is pretty divided on reads.

Teams I'm ruling out:

Sonia-LLD
LLD-Math (I think these are both obvious)
Creature-RR (I don't feel it's possible for both to be scum)
Creature-Math (Math's push doesn't feel like a bus)
Vedith-Math (the slots have been at odds for too long)

If Creature is scum, it's with LLD or Vedith. If Creature is town and LLD is scum, the team is LLD-Vedith or possibly LLD-RR (I haven't spent much time thinking about this team). If both are town, either Math is scum or it's Vedith-RR (haven't spent much time thinking about this team either, don't see it as likely but I'll throw the idea out there).

My reads, as they stand. Your slot is probably town.

Sonia and LLD is one of the least likely teams because Sonia spent D1 fighting against LLD's lynch when no one else was doing so and when she looked like the likely lynch. This was followed by her flipping on the slot D2, with the two having a back-and-forth that didn't look like scum theater.

Sickofit was passionate in calling for LLD's head all game, didn't look like a bus at all.

@Leon if you want to add any of your later posts I'd recommend quoting them since Titus usually doesn't backread upon replacing in.

[Leonshade]

Thanks! I'll throw this in, too:

Spoiler: Creature read progression

291 for my first reads list.

Derping on my Creature read:

Was ready to go null-leaning-town on Creature before I saw that post I quoted.

That post was six minutes after I made one post.

Creature's scum.

Even though I said you could be town unaware of that?

I did forget about that in my righteous indignation.

258 is actually like: "Leon, you're posting elsewhere, post something here"

My scumread on you might have been hasty, I just really didn't like that post.

UNVOTE:

Strong TR at this point:

Creature is probably my strongest TR right now.

Take Vedith's scumpool and Creature and you have my townreads, take Vedith's townreads and BRantz and you have my scumpool. Yet I don't think Vedith is scum.

D3, MathBlade comes in:

VOTE: LLD

I hate this vote with a passion. I strongly suspect Creature is scum trying to paint LLD as such. This vote is naked horrible and atrocious. I absolutely do not know why he is not scumread by more of the thread.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8522680

Like the switch to Vaxkiller for example. That is absolutely horrible. "HEY GUYS..I don't want to be on this wagon where I am with all this attention so I'm going to vote over here." Then two posts later says "I don't do preflip associatives." From the first post it says there are 2 mafia on it. So unless Creature believed that was the scum team he is either moving a vote to or from town. In a game with limited mafia like this Creature either wasn't hunting which makes him scum or just wanted an excuse to not be on the LLD wagon. And look at his posts before that. He "likes the wagon but some players give him a bad feeling about it." (Paraphrase) And no one bothered to ask which players gave him pause? No instead everyone goes on their way saying Creature is obviously town. Why? I get the feeling Creature has been saving the LLD mislynch til in MyLo he can try to ride the towncred to victory. And what does he do now? Naked votes LLD and then the sheep come running.

That being said some weird as fuck reaction test(?) happened in our Dire Clan last night. (Yes we glyphed) Like I don't have an idea on how to explain it but either it was a reaction test or LLD outright scumclaimed. Since I know LLD I'm assuming that she wouldn't outright scum claim in the Clan Thread I'm going with this is a town tell and by consequence Vedith is likely town. (I can't explain it without quoting the PT but trust me it's weird.) However if LLD actually did scum claim in the thread then Vedith and Creature might as well duke it out for who is the last scum amongst them because at that point everyone else would be obv town.

Mainly the issue is if LLD is town (as I strongly suspect she is) then who Creature's likely ally would be. I am leaning towards Radical Rat or LeonShade. LeonShade because of the fact that most of his posts are mechanics based and don't seem to have reads too much in them and I am still put off by the first interaction with me being a mechanics one. Most replace ins I've done (and I've done my fair share) usually try to say something stupid like "Oh you're at L-1 and your predecessor scum claimed. Claim now" The fact he didn't ask me a question to sort me perturbs me.

The thing about Radical Rat is that while he was lurking no one did much about it but the Brantz inactive slot did have something done about it. For the life of me though I'm having trouble differentiating why. A lot of the posts in this thread make no sense and it's probably why these last two mislynches happened.

When you have mislynches you don't go and repeat the same damn thing over again. You learn. You adjust. you adapt. You don't repeat the same damn thing over and over and over. That's why I'm thinking the possible scum teams are as follows (in order of likelihood)

Creature/LeonShade
Creature/RadicalRat
LLD/Creature
LLD/Vedith

VOTE: Creature

@MathBlade:

First off, I agree with what you said about town learning and adapting from mislynches, but I think the lesson we've learned is different. On both D1 and D2, there were strong pushes for LLD, but they failed and town was mislynched instead. LLD has been my top scumread for a long time, and two of her counterwagons going through has only strengthened my read on her. I would feel horrible if LLD is scum and wins despite me calling her scum since D1, and my reads won't be able to move on while she's alive.

Sonia, at that point in time, had a point about no one defending LLD on D1. At this point, the Vedith slot was played by lurker Frizzy. When TwiszTed replaced in, he had LLD as a top scumread, put her at L-1, but proceeded to quickhammer a town wagon the first chance he got. This reads, to me, like an aborted bus that switched into an opportunistic counterwagon hammer. I didn't scumread Vedith's play D2, and I got distracted by the night action analysis clusterfuck that lead nowhere, but now that BRantz flipped town I think Vedith is the likeliest buddy for LLD.

I started by asking for explanations on your townread on Sonia because I've had her as the alternative top scumread for LLD since D1. Her chainsaw defense of LLD made me fear that she knows LLD will flip town, her wanting the towncred for being against the lynch and setting up the next day's mislynch by scumreading people on the wagon. I would've gone after her if I didn't have an independent, stronger SR on LLD. My plan since D1 was "lynch LLD, go after Sonia if LLD flips town". This remained my plan, since the LLD wagon has been derailed twice now.

Your interactions with Sonia do give me pause about the Sonia read. It's been stagnant since D1, and I do see what you're saying about the derp town thing (personal insult not meant Sonia, it's a playstyle thing). I'll have to update my read on her.

There's a lot more I could say, but I think your reads have given a fresh new perspective that we needed, and I'm not in such a hurry to lynch LLD anymore. Updating my reads should take priority, and I see your point about there being less chance to do so during LYLO.

UNVOTE:

I've had my Creature and RR TRs since D1 too, a lot of my reads didn't develop during D2.

Creature, RR, Sick all largely had the same reads as me, it's unlikely that all town would be on one side and all scum on the other. Chances are there's one scum in my townreads.

Creature, I don't like your response to pressure

I think Sonia's aiming to mislynch me. Maybe she expects us to lynch LLD right after me and Sonia.

I don't think this is a reasonable conclusion to draw.

What did you intend to say in the second sentence?

Okay, I'll vote myself if everybody is in approval with LLD/Sonia team.

I'm not, nor am I scumreading Sonia.

Your attempt to prove that someone didn't send the nightkill is almost meaningless, since scum can send the NK and do another action in the same night. I think only Vedith is confirmed to not have been able to send the kill.

You're certainly confident, but your ability to get everyone to come around to your reads only comforts me if you're town, and if you're right. I'm not certain of either of those.

P-edit: @Math.

What aren't you certain on? Let's start there.

Your alignment is the first part. I'm leaning town on your slot, but at this point I don't feel I can be 100% on anyone before we get a red flip.

For your reads, the problem is that while I'm coming around to a Creature lynch, if he flips town I don't share your confidence that an LLD-Vedith team is confirmed. Your confidence is based on information that I don't have access to, and which I can't evaluate since you aren't revealing it. If we're not lynching Creature, I want LLD, but I don't consider it impossible that scum is outside of those two.

Short story is that I had him as a strong TR until D3, when MathBlade came in, then got paranoid about the read. I didn't like his reaction to pressure today. The worry in the back of my mind is the scenario where neither Creature nor LLD is scum, as those are the two I want today. I really want to sort Math's slot, as if Math is town, I think at least one of Creature and LLD has to be scum.

JaeReed's probably town, won't be supporting his lynch today.

[Frozen Angel]

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

First I must say thanks to all the players who replaced in my game <3

- from this point till further notice I won't prod anyone because of holidays.
- I will be partially busy with RL myself - so I'm sorry if I'm a bit late in handling stuff in next 3, 4 days.

Please remember to pray for my family and my mother if you pray during Christmas <3

With love!
Sarah

[xSoniaNevermindx]

Can psi blade hammer two people at the same time?

Good question I never asked cause I never planned on getting it.