Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.

[Flubbernugget]

Since Gamma claimed Ascetic Enabler, any "no results" results should be insta-lynched because the ascetic(s) is/are scum hiding behind the role.

I'm happy returning to my previous vote.

VOTE: Naomi

I don't like this. There are tons of other roles that could lead to no-results. This could just give scum easy mislynches. This + your "scumslip" thing earlier really make it seem like you are out for excuses to push lynches.

At this point I think I am convinced enough to drop the Asphodel thing for the moment - though I'd like to revisit it later.

VOTE: Grey

What was so bad about the scumslip thing

[-Grey-]

Rainbow was being widely townread before her claim.

I have no doubt she thought a fake Miller claim would be believed and earn her more time if she was investigated.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So let's work this out hotshot.

She's conf!scum in your eyes, so who are her two partners?

If she is scum, who is she connected with, how are they scum, and how are we forced into a bubble of her against you in a lynch when we can go for the next 2?

That or all this is you pushing a mislynch trying to cause as !much damage before you're lynched tomorrow

[-Grey-]

Rainbow was being widely townread before her claim.

I have no doubt she thought a fake Miller claim would be believed and earn her more time if she was investigated.

Or simply preempt her investigation.

Ascetic + Miller + x-shot cop? No fucking way.

[-Grey-]

She's conf!scum in your eyes, so who are her two partners?

Look at those busting their ass to protect her.

Not all scum buses, and there's an unnatural amount of resistance to lynching a Miller claim that also should have believed the cop claim simply by virtue of their own role of it had been a true claim.

You and krylea are invested in keeping her alive.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Nah, 1187 shows how I want both of you alive because I actually thought this through.

Also Krylea wants either of you two dead, she doesn't actually care which so I can believe she's scum but not with dash

[Flubbernugget]

So uhhh yeah I'm definitely of the belief that being ascetic without claiming is a scum claim

[-Grey-]

Nah, 1187 shows how I want both of you alive because I actually thought this through.

Safe posture for scum to adopt.

Also Krylea wants either of you two dead, she doesn't actually care which so I can believe she's scum but not with dash

False. krylea is pushing for my lynch.

[Flubbernugget]

Actually no I changed my mind

[Flubbernugget]

WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN IN EVERY NORMAL I PLAY IN

Scum usually fake claim day 1 when they get run up

Usually tracker, jk, or VT

[Flubbernugget]

Fake claiming a pr d1 is suicide though that doesn't make it a particularly bad play

[-Grey-]

If krylea wanted either of us dead, she'd have hammered Dash.

She wants me dead so she can say "oh, maybe it WAS TvT!" on d2 to rationalize not lynching Dash then either.

[-Grey-]

Fake claiming a pr d1 is suicide though that doesn't make it a particularly bad play

Why would a Miller leap to the conclusion that a cop claim must be fake?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

But like, why are there all these votes on people who aren't Grey or RD? It's pretty clear that's where we are lynching right now, unless someone makes a really, REALLY good case for that being TvT somehow

Care she does not, a fuck she does not give

[Flubbernugget]

Page 34.

As of right now I still wouldn't be opposed to a Grey lynch

Pedit WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN THERE'S A MILLER CLAIM TOO

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Once you actually catch up it'll make sense lol

[-Grey-]

But like, why are there all these votes on people who aren't Grey or RD? It's pretty clear that's where we are lynching right now, unless someone makes a really, REALLY good case for that being TvT somehow

Care she does not, a fuck she does not give

Bullshit. Dash would be dead right now if that was true.

[Human Sequencer]

Playing with grey is fun as fuck.

We still need to lynch Dash bruvs. I have nothing else to input at the moment and will look over how people are interacting with the dash/grey situation once we have a flip.

[Flubbernugget]

The reason I am 180ing is because I have a plan for seeing if Grey is really a cop.

This doesn't require a plan at all

[-Grey-]

The reason I am 180ing is because I have a plan for seeing if Grey is really a cop.

This doesn't require a plan at all

Just keep reading.

[Flubbernugget]

I don't like this either. I don't see a town motive for voting someone, and then immediately following it up with a punch-pull like that. When townies vote, regardless of whether it's for lynching, pressure, information, or even just spite, they usually want that vote to have the maximum possible effect. The immediate punch-pull comes off like Asphodel isn't motivated by any of those things. Scums are mush more happy to avoid getting into a fight, and I think that's exactly why Asphodel worded his Flubber vote this way.

Interestingly I kinda town read what he did as poor as the play was. I would expect scum to be a little more careful with how they vote

[Flubbernugget]

Yeah I know most of my posts are going to be more for my own personal record than any actual communication

[Flubbernugget]

If an ascetic claims, then that means they're a power role. If you're scum and a town ascetic claims, you just directed the scums kill to our power roles.

So what again is the benefit of outing a power role?

Ascetic VT fucks with cop investigations and doesn't do much more

[Flubbernugget]

I think it's best to state my plan.
No ascetics claim. If Grey claims a result on an ascetic he gets lynched.

All scum has to do if I get a guilty is claim to be ascetic.

That's brilliant.

No. Guilty claims need to be lynched, period. If the guilty flips town, then obviously I'm scum.

Uhhh you should be getting no result on an ascetic not a guilty

[Flubbernugget]

The fact that several people immediately agreed with Grey suggests that I am missing something very simple