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[Alisae]

Nero anything else?

[Nero Cain]

Sonia as scuM?
Seems unlikely as fcuk.

seems plenty possible to me. I know she'll argue that a scum team with her on it wouldn't kill Cloud (unless they really didn't and Cloud is an SK shot.) What are your reasons for Sonia town?

[Titus]

Nero anything else?

He's catching up by post order.

[Nero Cain]

Nero anything else?

that's it for now I guess. I might have some more questions later so don't go all lurky on me.

[Alisae]

Nero anything else?

that's it for now I guess. I might have some more questions later so don't go all lurky on me.

I don't really plan on it.

[Titus]

Nero, you seem to really want me to be seen as scum, and have no reaction to my substantive points or the SSM wagon that formed. What gives? If you think I am scum, wouldn't you want to pressure me?

[Alisae]

Nero, what are your top two scumreads at the moment.

[Nero Cain]

He's catching up by post order.

but also, I'm not blindly giving you a town read so I mean isn't that the same thing as giving you pressure? Or are you claiming that "pressure" would be a vote in that case why hould I vote you when I've stated that I have no interest in lynching you today?

[Titus]

He's catching up by post order.

but also, I'm not blindly giving you a town read so I mean isn't that the same thing as giving you pressure? Or are you claiming that "pressure" would be a vote in that case why hould I vote you when I've stated that I have no interest in lynching you today?

No. Not townreading someone =\= giving them pressure. Nor does a vote. I could troll vote Cabd, and he wouldn't feel pressure. You and I both know pressure involves scrutiny for ones thoughts and actions.

If you don't townread me, why aren't you scrutinizing the SSM wagon or the points I am saying to see if they check out and to possibly correct your read?

[Alisae]

This is coming from the guy who tried to push titus as sk a few posts ago, pls stop shade throwing conftown tia

She's not. Cabd and Titus could be scum together, she could be a mafia doc. She could be a sk. Why ignore those possibilities?

Explain to me how Cabd could possibly be scum?

[Nero Cain]

you don't think scum could claim an inno on their buddies?

[Nero Cain]

I am both not auto town reading you and auto scumreading you. Like just read...

She's not for today and maybe a few other days depending on how the game goes

but she's not confirmed town FMPOV.

So yeah, I'm taking the wait and see approach 'cause its the correct play at this point. If it hurts your feelings that I'm not slobing on your knob then kindly get the fuck over yourself.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, what are your top two scumreads at the moment.

Sonia and SSBM.

[Alisae]

So am I the only one that really thinks that Tywin could be potential scum for jumping on Sonia WAAAAAAAY too quickly for that NK, or am I just fuckin crazy.

[Titus]

No, what bothers me is that you're suggesting far out reads and doing nothing to resolve the dissonance between your "read" yesterday and the new data today. You are ignoring the SSM wagon entirely, which I asked for your comment on. You can analyze the logic I put forth on wagons, especially when I ask.

I don't care if you agree with me or townread me, but you will answer my questions so I can read you.

[Titus]

So am I the only one that really thinks that Tywin could be potential scum for jumping on Sonia WAAAAAAAY too quickly for that NK, or am I just fuckin crazy.

It's possible, but I am trying to reset my Tywin read.

[Nero Cain]

I like the first one.

Can't fathom why.

[Nero Cain]

No, what bothers me is that you're suggesting far out reads and doing nothing to resolve the dissonance between your "read" yesterday and the new data today. You are ignoring the SSM wagon entirely, which I asked for your comment on. You can analyze the logic I put forth on wagons, especially when I ask.

I don't care if you agree with me or townread me, but you will answer my questions so I can read you.

ummm...Cabd has claimed an inno on you. With a vig scum would have some sort of protection so I think its entirely possible that you are a mafia doc or a sk but the fact you don't have a gun lowers your chances of being scum a bit. Even if you are scum there are still 2-3 others so I'm not really understanding your argument here unless you think I should ignore the inno on you.

I've also already stated that I'm scum reading SSMB so not really ignoring it.

[Alisae]

So am I the only one that really thinks that Tywin could be potential scum for jumping on Sonia WAAAAAAAY too quickly for that NK, or am I just fuckin crazy.

It's possible, but I am trying to reset my Tywin read.

But then I just noticed that Tywin didn't vote Sonia. So this sorta makes me think "What the fuck was he trying to accomplish?"
And the way he hopped on the Kyouko wagon to me seemed sorta oppertunistic.
He doesn't even talk about Kyouko or anything, he just hops on as if he's sheeping it.

[Titus]

Can we punt on that?

[Alisae]

Can we punt on that?

Is this towards me, cuz if so I don't really know what you're trying to convey to me ;~;

[Titus]

Can we punt on that?

Is this towards me, cuz if so I don't really know what you're trying to convey to me ;~;

Table it. Talk later. That's what it means. I want to hear from SSM and Syr.

[Alisae]

I do to, so thus, I will wait.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kyouko youre really underestimating what a traitor would to to indicates hes the traitor to their scumteam

Doesn't this post suggest lynch Kyouko?

Hmm..

Also I haf question: Uzi flipped Vanilla Cop. The only reason for the vanilla to be in there is if there are either modifier cops (insane/naive/etc) elsewhere. So if someone also got a cop role, perhaps they are insane? Just a thought, although not sure if the modifiers are considered normal or not. I just don't really see a reason to say 'vanilla' cop if the others aren't normal anyway.

Is Tywin the first person to point toward me? First time I read that post in the context of "lynch Kyouko" I was genuinely confused. I see what people are seeing now but I haven't had time to go back and reread where the traitor talk initially started, but it was a bit before what I thought was Lapsa's traitor crumb. speaking of the Lapsa traitor crumb, why would I point that out in public instead of just talking about it in daytalk with my scumteam? Furthermore, why would I push a lynch on someone I thought was the traitor? I'm shocked that Cloud flipped scum but really glad that he flipped traitor because I feel like he might have been shot because scum thought I was the traitor after seeing Lapsa flip as town.

Something tells me my reads were not

that

far off if Mozamis is scum.

Who seriously thought scum would nk me after my day 1?

I did. I also thought Alisae would kill me if she was SK, was so happy to see the flips. Shame about losing LUV's PR but he was really hard to place for me and I thought he was scum anyways so that's one less mislynch I'd be inclined to push today.

In post 1842, CloudKicker wrote:
Titus is town, tywin is town, aj looks town, sonia is gut town with pro reads that are just like mine. Sbm might be playing a great scumgame btw, elbirn looks town enough, gamma with the mason comment looks ridiculously town

So Titus, tywin and Aj scum?
I can totally buy that.
Apart from the massive tywin and titus spat. Epic performance if so. I know Titus is capable of that sort of game. Anyone know Tywin's game? Is he good enough to pull of that kind of stuff?

Pretty sure Titus is town. Titus and Elbirn remain unshaken reads of mine today. Knowing Lapsa is town will have to reevaluate his RVS wagon and Nero being so obstinate about that makes me think he's not scum unless the entire RVS Lapsa wagon turns out to be town in which case he'd basically be confscum in my eyes.

Yeah gunsmith suggests SK, but tbh it's a necessary evil at this point.

GS also suggests Vig.

Interesting. Why isn't that post flagging down SSM?

Which post in Cloudkicker'S ISO have you scumreading Tywin?

Any of a dozen or so where he's hard defending Tywin. If he's not CK's teammate, I could see him putting up a token defense for the "I was right" Towncred, but not going to the effort of actually derailing the wagon on him. Cloudkicker went to the mat for Tywin.

@Pine

Kyouko youre really underestimating what a traitor would to to indicates hes the traitor to their scumteam

Ehhh, not really. That's a general crumb to anyone's listening, SSBM just happened to be the one he was engaging at the time. In context of a larger conversation about Traitors which he (if memory serves) did not initiate, it's entirely NAI.

K Pine is probably town, he's the only one stepping back to look at this instead of jumping on speculation. Was hitting multiquote to full catchup from the flips but accidentally hit Quote on this post so I'll continue my catch up from here

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also once SSBM gets in here I think if I read day one right we're about to get another bombshell.

Curious what this is supposed to mean because I don't have a bombshell to drop. I mean I was completely wrong about all 3 flips so far so I'll have to rethink things but I still have a few reads that are stable.

Knock knock.

Who's there?

The game.

The game who?

Get back to the fucking game. A couple of jokes were fun, but a page of them is the kind of distraction that led to an 84-page D1.

Thanks boss

I'm caught up but it was a long day at work. Going to read cloud now.