Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]


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Post Post #9350 (ISO) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:08 pm

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Day 6, Vote Count #23

Current Vote Count:

(0)
SirCakez
(0)
Giovanni il Pellegrino
(0)
MathBlade
(3)
PeregrineV -- Nahdia, Not Chara, MathBlade
(0)
Nahdia
(0)
Accountant
(0)
Not Chara
(0)
Ankamius
(2)
BigYoshiFan -- Creeps20, Accountant
(0)
Narna
(1)
Almost50 -- Narna
(0)
JaeReed
(1)
Creeps20 -- BigYoshiFan

Not Voting:
PeregrineV, Giovanni il Pellegrino, Almost50, SirCakez, Ankamius, JaeReed

With 13 votes available, it takes 7 votes to hammer.

Creeps20 is V/LA until 1/2.

Day 6 Will End on Monday, December 26th, at 9 p.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2016-12-26 21:00:00)



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Post Post #9351 (ISO) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:37 pm

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Merry Christmas! :D
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Post Post #9352 (ISO) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:51 pm

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It kinda worked

I'll finish my shit tomorrow
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Post Post #9353 (ISO) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:53 pm

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My 'current' scumreads without going through everything I wanted to is {Narna, Not Chara, Almost50, Accountant} with {Nahdia, Mathblade} as lower tier scumreads.
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Post Post #9354 (ISO) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:38 pm

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Request replace out


Skullduggery, I'm really sorry about this. When you asked me to replace back in, I accepted, thinking that since the playerlist had gone down tremendously(due to kills and the like) there'd be much less spam and the game would be more manageable. Turns out it's not. I'm completely unmotivated to do anything except shitpost at this point and everyone deserves better than this.
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Post Post #9355 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:26 am

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Merry Christmas all!!
I will have
Limited Access
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Post Post #9356 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:27 am

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Also, almost50, notchara and I are all dogs.
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Post Post #9357 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:30 am

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Merry christmas! <3

Flavour spec: one of the dogs probs scum but reads better to figure that out <3
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Post Post #9358 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:56 am

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In post 9357, JaeReed wrote:Merry christmas! <3

Flavour spec: one of the dogs probs scum but reads better to figure that out <3
why?

this game has a lot of dogs, and none of them besides the Annoying Dog are very notable. this just seems spec for the sake of it, and it doesn't even make sense.

Peregrine: does that fact mean something to you?

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Post Post #9359 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:04 am

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The more important question: Zakk was a flavor cop how does PV suspect/believe the others are dogs?

And why is that his post when he is suspected of being a low content poster?

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Post Post #9360 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:04 am

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Merry Christmas and Happy Feast of WinterVeil to all.
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Post Post #9361 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:14 am

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In post 9359, MathBlade wrote:The more important question: Zakk was a flavor cop how does PV suspect/believe the others are dogs?

And why is that his post when he is suspected of being a low content poster?

<3 Accountant Thanks
i don't understand the first point.

the second is valid. I don't know what meaningful conclusion is drawn from his statement.
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Post Post #9362 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:19 am

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Dog = flavor. How does PV check flavor and know/suspect someone of being a dog? It seems odd. Especially with Zakk a flavor cop dead. It is also odd he calls out dogs. Why is that important?
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Post Post #9363 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:11 am

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jae confirmed dog cop.

merry christmas everyone~
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Post Post #9364 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:49 am

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In post 9362, MathBlade wrote:Dog = flavor. How does PV check flavor and know/suspect someone of being a dog? It seems odd. Especially with Zakk a flavor cop dead. It is also odd he calls out dogs. Why is that important?
while it's notable that he called out dogs, i don't see how it's strange that Peregrine
knew
we were.
Almost ans i have both claimed flavour. he's Annoying Dog, and i'm Doggo. and Peregrine himself has claimed being a dog.
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Post Post #9365 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:03 am

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Merry Christmas!
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Post Post #9366 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:59 am

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Currently searching for a replacement for Accountant.
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Post Post #9367 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:29 am

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So how about that Creeps20 lynch? Or literally anyone at all.
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Post Post #9368 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:43 am

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callforjudgement replaces Accountant. Welcome to the game, callforjudgement!

Due to the timing of this replacement, the Day 6 deadline has been extended to about 72 hours. The new deadline is posted in the vote count below.
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Post Post #9369 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:43 am

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Day 6, Vote Count #24

Current Vote Count:

(0)
SirCakez
(0)
Giovanni il Pellegrino
(0)
MathBlade
(3)
PeregrineV -- Nahdia, Not Chara, MathBlade
(0)
Nahdia
(0)
callforjudgement
(0)
Not Chara
(0)
Ankamius
(2)
BigYoshiFan -- Creeps20, callforjudgement
(0)
Narna
(1)
Almost50 -- Narna
(0)
JaeReed
(1)
Creeps20 -- BigYoshiFan

Not Voting:
PeregrineV, Giovanni il Pellegrino, Almost50, SirCakez, Ankamius, JaeReed

With 13 votes available, it takes 7 votes to hammer.

Creeps20 is V/LA until 1/2.

Day 6 Will End on Wednesday, December 28th, at 6 p.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2016-12-28 18:00:00)



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Post Post #9370 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:51 am

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hi coj. here's a summary i wrote for an earlier replacement reposted with a bit of updates

here's what you need to know

a lot of people claimed. some people didn't claim.
there's a neighborhood with people in it. you're in the neighborhood i think.
you're frisk. i'm still lowkey worried you're actually chara and actually a genocidal maniac.
we havent found any scum.
we lynched gaster and when he died the mod posted this huge threatening message clearly meant to be from gaster (bc wingdings) saying "A new faction has been created. MY FACTION." which suggests a mass culting or something to that effect. there's other things that kinda suggest this but i won't get technical.
no one died last night. only possible explanations are mathblade's bulletproof somehow interfering (unlikely unless there's a redirector considering math's BP was already claimed) or Yoshi's power (1-shot universal doctor but SOME people are calling it a fakeclaim).
mathblade got a 1-shot neapolitan last night from sircakez, is planning to use it on Jae tonight since they're the VT claim.


claims:

sircakez: inventor
giovanni: even night weak follower. didn't die visiting narna n4. n2 he was roleblocked, clearly.
mathblade: bp
peregrinev: no claim
nahdia: jailkeeper (i didn't jail last night so no that's not why no kill happened)
you: neighborizer i think
not chara: motion detector
ankamius: idk his claim is confusing his role changes every time he hammers some1 i think rn he's a vig? also they're chara (the flavor, not the person in this game)
bigyoshifan: 1-shot universal doc priestess (cannot hammer)
narna: psychologist (checks ppl to see if they can ever kill). innos on myself, your slot, creeps20
almost50: annoying dog that we should shoot. something happens to whoever kills/hammers them. apparently not a supersaint/bomb but, it will be annoying.
jaereed: vt
creeps20: softed fruit vendor
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Post Post #9371 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:52 am

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the "you're frisk. i'm still lowkey worried you're actually chara and actually a genocidal maniac." doesnt make sense for you obviously just ignore that. you're not frisk. i dont know who you are you just neighborize people.
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Post Post #9372 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:59 am

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I've been following this game from the start (although not as avidly as I would be if I were actively playing), because I felt it might have trouble getting replacements late and decided I was willing to be a late replacement. It's going to take me a while to catch up, because I obviously didn't have access to the neighbourhood while I wasn't playing. Here are some thoughts I've had while reading the thread (there are plenty of people not mentioned, as I obviously don't have a perfect recollection of everything that happened):

@
Mathblade
: Can you claim your victory condition? Normally making this sort of request is pointless because everyone normally just claims town, but I think it'd be beneficial for later if you're locked into a claim of either town or town-compatible third party, rather than being able to pull an "I'm a survivor" or the like on us later. (This request is based on dayplay, and isn't based on any information that isn't public.)

With respect to
Nahdia
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BigYoshiFan
, I got the strong impression recently that they're scum together or not at all. I can no longer remember the exact reasoning, but it was partly based on them being in a good position to cover for each other in terms of claims (as both have claimed to be capable of stopping kills), and partly based on the way they interacted in thread. Note that if they
are
scum, something weird is going on with respect to kills, but that isn't a huge surprise given what happened in the rest of the game.

I get the strong feeling that someone has overclaimed this game (i.e. claimed a stronger role than they actually have); such a player is highly likely to be scum. I've been scum who's been forced to overclaim before now, and it's a really uncomfortable situation to be in. Gio strikes me as the most likely player to be scum for this reason, both in terms of behaviour, and in terms of the claim. Overclaims tend to have a pile of modifiers on, and tend to leave a lot of evidence that there's a roleblocker/redirector around, and tend to cause an excessive amount of players cleared as Town but by dubious means; this fits this game perfectly, and Gio in particular pretty well.

Update after reading the neighbourhood thread: With respect to
Narna
, something that I'm not sure was publicly claimed yet is that Shiro (flipped town) claimed in the neighbourhood to have rolecopped Narna as a Psychologist. This doesn't 100% confirm Narna as town, but it does make it very likely (and it's also worth noting that if scum
were
given a Psychologist, that strongly implies that third parties are expected to be highly relevant this game, as what other use would the role have for them?). That said, an idea I had to explain the game while I was just reading along is that maybe there's a groupscum team, but without a kill (and the nightkills we've seen were coming from a third party). A town Psychologist would make a lot of sense in
that
sort of setup, and it explains why there seem to be so many townies here. (It'd also explain the implausible deadline change we had earlier; that's likely to come from an anti-town role without a kill, as it would give them a relatively harmless way to influence the game.)
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Post Post #9373 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:01 pm

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The implausible deadline changes were all explained; they came from Maxous.
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Post Post #9374 (ISO) » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:16 pm

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Spoiler: What happened in the vote count reset on day 5
In post 7201, Skullduggery wrote:
Day 5, Vote Count #12

Current Vote Count:

(0)
SirCakez
(0)
Giovanni il Pellegrino
(6)
Maxous -- Accountant, BigYoshiFan, Nahdia, Giovanni il Pellegrino, SirCakez, MathBlade
(0)
MathBlade
(0)
PeregrineV
(0)
Nahdia
(0)
Accountant
(0)
Not Chara
(0)
Ankamius
(0)
BigYoshiFan
(1)
Narna -- Maxous
(0)
Almost50
(0)
Pine
(0)
Creeps20

Not Voting:
PeregrineV, Ankamius, Creeps20, Pine, Not Chara, Narna, Almost50

With 14 votes available, it takes 8 votes to hammer.

Day 5 Will End on Wednesday, December 14th, at 10 p.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2016-12-14 22:00:00)
In post 7208, Skullduggery wrote:
Day 5 Begins Now

Current Vote Count:

(0)
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(0)
Giovanni il Pellegrino
(0)
Maxous
(0)
MathBlade
(0)
PeregrineV
(0)
Nahdia
(0)
Accountant
(0)
Not Chara
(0)
Ankamius
(0)
BigYoshiFan
(0)
Narna
(0)
Almost50
(0)
Pine
(0)
Creeps20

Not Voting:
SirCakez, Giovanni il Pellegrino, Maxous, MathBlade, PeregrineV, Nahdia, Accountant, Not Chara, Ankamius, BigYoshiFan, Narna, Almost50, Pine, Creeps20

With 14 votes available, it takes 8 votes to hammer.

Day 5 Will End on Tuesday, December 20th, at 8 a.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2016-12-20 08:00:00)

So in other words, Maxous was getting a ton of votes, then we got a Gaster-flavoured message that seems to be connected to a vote count reset, then the vote count was reset. (Then a little later in #, Mathblade took this as a prompt to claim Bulletproof. IMO, this pretty much confirms Mathblade as town, as I can't see why scum would assume their own bulletproofness was the reason for the vote count reset, and claiming Bulletproof without a good reason is nearly always a bad idea regardless of alignment.) I'm inclined to think that the vote count reset was triggered by someone in Maxous' faction, but am having trouble understanding why that would be part of his role from a setup design perspective. Flavour people: is it at all possible flavour-wise that there's more than one Gaster (e.g. does he have multiple bodies, or something like that)? If not, I'm really confused about the faction balance here; before rereading this I was fairly convinced that we had an SK that could kill + a scumteam that couldn't, but this seems to contradict it.

I'm aware of the "a new faction was created" message, but am not sure what conclusions to draw from it. I guess it's most likely that the original scumteam was fairly small. We might now have a new one.
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