Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)
-
-
Impoetic Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1925
- Joined: February 25, 2016
- Location: off in space, absentmindedly pouring coffee grounds in the water reservoir.
-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
The quote was intentional, I'm waiting for Drone to answer shannon. I'd happily lynch him because he's claimed neighbor with Titus, so if he doesn't flip neighbor, that's game. If he does flip neighbor it basically clears Titus and leaves only a few options for scum. He and LUV are the only players that ditched the rb wagon when rb claimed BP at L-1 (6 votes). Wagon was Transcend, drealmerz7, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, Lil Uzi Vert. LUV ditched the wagon first, then Drone, but the rest of us stayed on his wagon until lynch. This should be another reason you all can clear Sesq if you haven't already. Unless you think she was hard bussing at a time when 2 others dropped off the wagon and she could have easily gotten of the wagon without drawing much speculation.
I'm also going to attach my old case on Drone for reference.
Also disregard that I was associating him and Kohai(Gerry) together because if Drone's scum it's with Titus unless he flips as a Mafia Neighbor, in which case Titus can be confirmed townIn post 598, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:ok I finished taking my notes like I was trying to do earlier. Brace yourselves
Spoiler:
I think they are together but it also makes a little sense to me for it to be scum!Drone whiteknighting town!Kohai, so I'll be putting my vote on Drone since he's the scum in both cases
VOTE: Drone-
-
TTTT Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 5323
- Joined: October 4, 2016
-
-
TTTT Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 5323
- Joined: October 4, 2016
I might support this info lynchIn post 2401, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Also disregard that I was associating him and Kohai(Gerry) together because if Drone's scum it's with Titus unless he flips as a Mafia Neighbor, in which case Titus can be confirmed town-
-
Impoetic Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1925
- Joined: February 25, 2016
- Location: off in space, absentmindedly pouring coffee grounds in the water reservoir.
Wait, it clears titus if he flips neighbor? Are their alignments confirmed to each other?
predit: suddenly noticing you're at L-1 and knowing it's your fault does tend to cause something like that, yeah.
It's not like I was completely gone, I just had other priorities and a complete lack of motivation and attention span. And still kind of do.-
-
Impoetic Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1925
- Joined: February 25, 2016
- Location: off in space, absentmindedly pouring coffee grounds in the water reservoir.
-
-
shannon Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2300
- Joined: March 20, 2016
I don't quite get your last sentence there, are you saying that you're scum reading the post I've made about Rask, for the same reason that I think Rask is town?In post 2397, Impoetic wrote:
What makes you think that rask as scum would not play to towntell in the ways they consider towntells? Rask actually pointed out it was a basic tell; it's something that, if you're aware of consciously enough to think of it when bringing up advice to a newbie, you'll mooost likely not fall for yourself as scum.In post 2394, shannon wrote:I can quote dead threads for finished games, right?
Town read on Rask because he made this post giving advice to a newbie on scum hunting:
"Well, a really basic tell is, look at who is really trying to figure out the game. Original or fresh insights and deep thinking about the game; scum will often just do what they have to for appearance sake so they can look shallow or flat sometimes"
By his own standard I don't think Rask is shallow or flat, he went and looked up a game with me, Titus, and LUV in it.
(If anyone else cares, it's the dead thread from Newbie 1752 which also has Drone and SSBM in it).
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68849 > The game thread
This isn't me saying I think rask is scum, but the tell he pointed out is actually kind of my problem with some of your posts. And one of his, too, from what I've read. This is one of those posts.
Anyway, to clarify what I mean about Rask: I think if Rask was to play to his own stated town tells it would be coming across as fake. Like people would know that he's really faking the effort, where he doesn't need to. For instance, there was no reason for him to look deeply (or shallowly) in to the game he did, because all three of me, Titus, and LUV were already under interest and he could've just picked a random reason everyone else had and jumped on that wagon.
The thing about me, I've noticed, is that I have two modes: Super Obv Town (which is always super faked, even if I am actually town), and Genuinely Being Me (which is almost always scum read, even if I'm town). I'm actively trying to tone down the Super Obv Town because it's hard to maintain, but this 'normal' me gets me scum read, so I might have to change that!
I hope that this has been an adequate response?-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
If he flips Mafia Neighbor there is no reason for the only other player in the neighborhood to be mafia. If he flips town neighbor it's still a possibility that Titus could be mafia neighbor, or she could be Town Universal Backup Neighbor. They've both already confirmed that there is not a third player in their neighborhood so there's no way Titus is mafia if Drone is a Mafia Neighbor (Mod wouldn't make a neighborhood with only scum in a game that has daytalk).-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
-
-
Impoetic Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1925
- Joined: February 25, 2016
- Location: off in space, absentmindedly pouring coffee grounds in the water reservoir.
pfffffffffFFFF holy frick I don't get anyone at all
Shannon I was saying that you have made several posts that seemed like they could be trying to look like scumhunting rather than actual scumhunting, for pretty much the reason you quoted from rask, and that the post containing the quote was one of them.
First of all, was this really what you were saying? Can you please look over this sentence a second time and tell me if it was actually what you were saying when you made the first post about rask being town for that?I think if Rask was to play to his own stated town tells it would be coming across as fake.
Because this is convoluted and I find it hard to swallow that you would have made a post just thinking that reasoning would be assumed. I also think it just sounds like... contrived reasoning.
predit: so if drone is town we get nothing (at least in that alley). Got it. Thanks for clarifying.
I don't really see the point in two mafia claiming a neighborhood if they don't have one though? Like, if one got lynched, the other would be confirmed -- so why is that a possibility?-
-
shannon Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2300
- Joined: March 20, 2016
This part is kind of confusing to me too.In post 2398, Impoetic wrote: *snip*
I still have yet to figure out why Titus is claiming no report = guilty. I think I'm clearly missing something there because even as scum I don't see an incentive to say something like that without some excuse.
In the meantime I'd like to know why Kyouko unvoted just then (I initially assumed the quote was an accident but are you unvoting because Drone's on the wagon?) and why Gerry thinks I'm scum, since you (Gerry) asked me a question as if to try to sort me and then chose not to with no explanation.
speaking of which lol why is titus on the wagon with drone
titus do you townread drone now
This is how I understand it:
- Despite me having a 'No Movement' N1, Titus thinks I'm part of a scum team. So she's theorised that you and I are a team. (I think this part of the theory originated from a scum read on LUV, so it's weird that it carries on now he's flipped town)
- When this Day started I jumped in and was like WTF why are you alive why aren't you telling us who you targeted, which she took as me trying to somehow defend her target (which she says was you)
- No Result can come as the result of an ascetic, and Titus thinks a town ascetic would be unlikely
-The theory is that either: I roleblocked Titus and prevented her investigating you, or you're an ascetic who can't be subjected to any night action except killing.
- Someone in our supposed team has to be capable of some kind of roleblock *or* a strongman, since Transcend died N1. So there's a variety of role combinations she can fit to the me + you = scum theory.
My problem with all this, in case I haven't stated it enough, is:
1) It doesn't explain why Titus is alive today
2) It is weird that Titus checked for guns on *you* instead of *me* given that she scum read me
3) It is even weirder that Titus didn't jailkeep one of us
4) The 'no result' on you and the 'no movement' on me N1 is more easily explained by the presence of a roleblocker and a scum team that doesn't include me, than by this elaborate theory.-
-
shannon Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2300
- Joined: March 20, 2016
-
-
ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 7243
- Joined: November 3, 2016
- Pronoun: She/Her
- Location: Middle Tennessee
We lynched scum D1 so in order to even the odds scum may be tempted to make a risky play like this. It's just WIFOM. "Why would 2 scum claim a neighborhood if they would confirm each other as scum"? Because the fact we ask ourselves that question is enough to deter us from lynching one of them.In post 2409, Impoetic wrote:I don't really see the point in two mafia claiming a neighborhood if they don't have one though? Like, if one got lynched, the other would be confirmed -- so why is that a possibility?
I think it's more likely there is one mafia neighbor and one town neighbor amongst them, rather than both of them being scum fakeclaiming neighborhood-
-
Impoetic Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1925
- Joined: February 25, 2016
- Location: off in space, absentmindedly pouring coffee grounds in the water reservoir.
I'd be pretty lost if drone flipped town and we were in lylo (didn't count, but 2 MLs seems about right? maybe 3) the next day, and I don't feel confident that the scum in there is drone if there is one. I also don't feel confident this would be a profitable risk to take. Like, I get that scum would want to take risks in that situation, but I feel like the costs of that one would outweigh what seem like slight benefits (though I guess I'm biased because the thought is being introduced to me by someone proposing to lynch in them)? Just having them associated, period, would be a big thing, and I feel like there only being one scum in them wouldn'tnecessarilykeep people from...
okay maybe. idk. It seems null, but I feel like it's only worth it if we're confident drone will flip scum, so "info lynch" doesn't really add to the reasoning for me.
Also Shannon can you answer the question I asked above? It wasn't rhetorical or mocking/sarcastic, even if it could've come off that way (oops).-
-
Impoetic Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1925
- Joined: February 25, 2016
- Location: off in space, absentmindedly pouring coffee grounds in the water reservoir.
I find it really strange that Titus finds it so likely that we'd leave alive Titus because one of us is ascetic when it's the other one that Titus actually SRs, and even if that weren't the case, roleblocker just seems more likely from Titus's pov? Otherwise, why not just eliminate both PRs instantly and have 2 mafia vs a bunch of VTs? i mean i see the reason not to now but it doesn't seem as strong as the reason if there's a roleblocker and "I'm treating this as a guilty on the subject" doesn't make any sense to me
also where did the SR on drone go seriously
@titus-
-
shannon Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2300
- Joined: March 20, 2016
(Is this the question you were referring to?)In post 2409, Impoetic wrote:pfffffffffFFFF holy frick I don't get anyone at all
Shannon I was saying that you have made several posts that seemed like they could be trying to look like scumhunting rather than actual scumhunting, for pretty much the reason you quoted from rask, and that the post containing the quote was one of them.
First of all, was this really what you were saying? Can you please look over this sentence a second time and tell me if it was actually what you were saying when you made the first post about rask being town for that?I think if Rask was to play to his own stated town tells it would be coming across as fake.
Because this is convoluted and I find it hard to swallow that you would have made a post just thinking that reasoning would be assumed. I also think it just sounds like... contrived reasoning.
predit: so if drone is town we get nothing (at least in that alley). Got it. Thanks for clarifying.
I don't really see the point in two mafia claiming a neighborhood if they don't have one though? Like, if one got lynched, the other would be confirmed -- so why is that a possibility?
I thought that my intended meaning was implied, but evidently I wasn't clear enough and I need to be more explicit (or more thoughtful/careful/less rushed) when I post.-
-
shannon Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2300
- Joined: March 20, 2016
That's exactly the thing that makes no sense to me. If Titus scum reads me, why does she not investigate *me*? Better to get one scum straight off the bat by finding a gun on them, than to investigate someone else and try to interpret *that* result?In post 2414, Impoetic wrote:I find it really strange that Titus finds it so likely that we'd leave alive Titus because one of us is ascetic when it's the other one that Titus actually SRs, and even if that weren't the case, roleblocker just seems more likely from Titus's pov? Otherwise, why not just eliminate both PRs instantly and have 2 mafia vs a bunch of VTs? i mean i see the reason not to now but it doesn't seem as strong as the reason if there's a roleblocker and "I'm treating this as a guilty on the subject" doesn't make any sense to me
also where did the SR on drone go seriously
@titus
The only thing that makes sense to me is that Titus is scum herself and knows that she's not going to find anything, so she has to make up a result (or a non result) on someone else. That way, if she gets me lynched she's got an excuse for my town flip. And if she gets Impoetic lynched, she's got an excuse for that town flip too (she can call roleblock instead of ascetic).-
-
shannon
-
-
gerryoat Survivor
- Survivor
- Survivor
- Posts: 10743
- Joined: July 16, 2016
-
-
JaeReed Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 5792
- Joined: April 3, 2016
In post 2418, gerryoat wrote:@mod I'm not quite sure how V/LA works. But, i'm gonna be on vacation until the 8th of Janurary. So I won't be able to post as much until then. (I'll still check every day though.)Noted.-
-
TTTT Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 5323
- Joined: October 4, 2016
-
-
Drone Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1300
- Joined: August 17, 2016
- Location: Panic Station
-
-
Drone Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1300
- Joined: August 17, 2016
- Location: Panic Station
In post 2329, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:yeah shannon declared her vote should be seen as on you already and then TTTT voted putting you at L-1 so if she's asking for a claim now I assume it's intent to hammer from her.
Do you have intent to hammer shannon?
Also don't hammer before Sesq/Drone talk pleaseIn post 2371, Sesq wrote:
My major issue was it seeming like you tunneling on shannon, but that was me being bad at reading.In post 2369, Raskolnikov wrote:@Sesq why did you unvote me d2 again?
I remember you were scumreading me so what changed?
@Titus: with impo, it seems like the wagon today was made on her being away, which seems illegitimate. Would be very surprised if there was no scum on that wagon, seeing how it played out.
as for shannon, seems relatively towny. I don't know, kind of hard to read.
Drone, you know what I'm asking you.In post 2385, Sesq wrote:
Impoetic is really newby, and seems to just say stupid stuff and be overly skeptical. As for shannon, it's not that she seems townie, it's that she seems not scummy, and my base position on people is that they are town-leaning, by general principle. As for Rask's more recent posts, they are physically difficult to read. I have a sort of semi-dyslexic thing with long paragraphs. There have been other points in the game where this has been an issue.In post 2372, Titus wrote:I didn't ask for your thoughts on the Impoetic wagon. I asked for your thoughts on Impoetic.
Also, your read on Shannon isn't much of one either. Have you read Rask's recent posts? Why does Shannon "seem townie"?In post 2408, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Like I'm starting to feel a lot less good about lynching shannon or impoetic today and a lot more good about lynching Drone. What do you think TTTT?
VOTE: DroneFor science. For the mind!-
-
Drone Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1300
- Joined: August 17, 2016
- Location: Panic Station
@Kyouko
You ain't getting Drone/Sesq talks.
@Sesq
You're actually the newbie town here, your reads are so all over the place and so weird that it looks like you're making shit up.
Here's for clarity; 2371
Shannon is town
2385
Actually NOT town, just not scummy (aliens confirmed)
Fuck it.
How DARE you call Impoetic newbie with plays like these?
With this i'm ending the "Drone/Sesq" talks Kyouko wanted.
Kyouko; all that would have been cool if not the "what do you think TTTT?"
Do you really need attention? Like, I can see you're working hard to get it. But c'mon...For science. For the mind!-
-
Drone Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1300
- Joined: August 17, 2016
- Location: Panic Station
Copyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.
-