Micro 672: Vanillish Mafia (Game Over!)

[Hiraki]

Perhaps because I need to establish if it's a fake read? I did that pretty hard in D1 when you called me out for being scum for "posting walls" but then switched.

But now that I reflect and look back on it, you switched onto TierShift and now you're on Spade.

Btw, assuming that I didn't miscount yet again, Spade is at L-1

I'm not willing to hammer, while still scumreading Spade, based on two conditions:

1) There is definitely not enough content to end the day today. Aelin - mind giving something more comprehensive?
2) I have some problems with the quickness of the wagon that I want to examine. I think that Spade's actions constitute him as scum but it would be stupid to not look at the game overall to see if he's being ployed.

I do have to also admit that since no one has quickhammered (and this is something I probably shouldn't say until later for that reason but whatever) that either:

1) Spade is scum
2) Everyone on the wagon is scum

So we have that going for us at least.

[KainTepes]

Spade must be scum,, i believe THINKTANK,, VOTE: Spade....

so i believe SPADE's wagon built SO FAST is because scum is bussing SCUM PARTNERS............ so i suggest we still lynch SPADE today,, but dont give any extra town cred to thinktank or KARNOS for voting spade,,

Is ThinkTank a scumread or a townread for you Kain? I can understand how you get both opinions from both sides but it fits much better if you think he's a scumread.

good question.... like i said before,, he was a town LEANING PERSON,, but mostly because i could see his PUSH on me coming from a TOWN ANGLE,, if he is scum then he must have DONE THAT WITH A PLAN,, KNOWING THAT I WILL TOWNREAD HIM FOR IT,, which seems less likely.........

anyway since i am TOWN,, and nobody has hammered SPADE yet it means spade is scum...... and at least one of THINKTANK and KARNOS is also scum,,

[KainTepes]

and once SPADE DIES i think it is LIKELY that he will venge kill REAL GIN AND TONIC becuase he is hte INNOCENT CHILD who produced MOST CONTENT,, so i want to hear more thoughts from GIN AND TONIC before spade is hammer,,

and AELIN NEEDS TO CONTRIBUTE MORE.................... it is POINTLESS to have CONFIRMED TOWN just WASHING WATER AND SLIDING BY............!!!

[Hiraki]

With that - I'm willing to get rid of precondition 2 for hammering. Not very reasonable for the entire scumteam to be on this wagon, especially since I do think Kain is town.

I agree and would like the ICs to say something before hammering though.

[karnos]

There is no need to rush the lynch of spade, I agree with you there.

We run the risk of spade self-hammering to immediately end the day, I'm going to unvote.

UNVOTE:

I will happily re-vote once we have had some input from everyone. I agree with the obvious- scum will venge-kill an IC. We need to get input from both IC before we hammer.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Pine is scum, easy as that. I can't go into detail but I'm at work and sobering up from yesterday. We are not lynching him unless I am here.

I know haven't done much as an IC but I'm breaking out the comb. While I'm gone, I want everyone to post their scum reads and two posts by that player as to why you think they're scum. If you can't do this, then it's evident you can't scum hunt/are scum.

May the odds be ever in your favor. Also putting anyone at L-1 unless an IC approves will be scum motivated from this point as we are in LyLo, with that, I'll return after work.

Have fun

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

UNVOTE:

[karnos]

Of course it crosses my mind that if Kain is town, then Hiraki has to be scum. Meh.

As long as at least one of them is town the white flag mechanic makes it irrelevant which one it is.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Actually, if you are town, do not vote at all unless approved by an IC. Scum can't hammer by themselves but if you happen to pick the final unconfirmed it's game over cuz it takes 1 townie and the 3 scum can pile on. Also pretty sure I read that they have day chat

[KainTepes]

should i UNVOTE then??

[karnos]

We know spade is scum, otherwise scum would have hammered when he was sitting at L-1.

[Hiraki]

I'm about to go out so I'm not going to adhere to your request about scumreading quite just yet but I have a question for you Gin:

Do you find it sus that the scumteam didn't hop on your vote either?

[karnos]

My take on that: Think Tank had already voted for spade. Jumping wagons would have looked very suspicious, and would have revealed him as scum needlessly if his partners were not online and active to turn it into an immediate lynch.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Absolutely, though it's a little frustrating how dogmatically Town is holding to the notion that scum never busses in [tab]LYLO.
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It's called tactics.

*coughs*

[Aelin]

Wagonomics would say that Spade is scum then.
Permission to hammer?

[Aelin]

And that as I thought Hiraki is scum

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Pine and Kain, scum, Pine policy lynches Kain for town cred and gets the venge kill to take out an IC

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Let's keep talking, I like to talk and still haven't had time took full reads.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

To make*

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I don't want to hammer until I can make the road map for end game and that will take me a bit of time so give me like two days max although it shouldn't be needed

[Aelin]

Ok so
Hiraki if Spade is your top scumread why will you not hammer him

[karnos]

From my POV spade and think tank are scum. One of kain or hiraki is also scum, but it's white flag setup so why worry about that. We just lynch the 2 most obvious scum and call it a game.

[Aelin]

Ok fair enough but
Mechanically Spades is scum.
Hiraki cannot be scum if Spades is town otherwise they would've hammered
But Spades is not town so Hiraki and Spades are scum.
Lynch Spades today and then Hiraki tomorrow for victory

[Aelin]

Gin is venge kill by maf if not maf are fucking idiots

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Gin is venge kill by maf if not maf are fucking idiots

Yeah so let's not hammer till I can finish the game