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[TwoFace]

I am scumhunting. And I tried to prevent a mislynch, which is more than what you did.

No you aren't.

Town doesn't take credit for preventing mislynches. Scum do

Town realizes people can be wrong. Scum use town being wrong against them.

Look how many dead townies also mislynched town. See your not thinking or acting like a townie.

That means you're scum

[TwoFace]

I'm being facetious because your reason for voting me is that bad. I've shown this game that if you have a decent reason for scumreading me, I won't automatically think you're scum. But your reason is awful

I don't even care if he's scum or not anymore. He prob is scum and trying to copy his attitude from last time. But we have a better chance winning with him in the GY and not grudge voting if he's town.

Pot meet kettle.

Except that my reasons don't suck at all.

You're voting me thinking I'm trying to copy my attitude form another game and you also want to PL me.

I'm voting you for actual game related reasons aka not wanting to vote scum day 1 and ending day 2 early when people said there was no need to rush.

My reasons > you're reasons.

[TwoFace]

The keyen rvs wagon or the keyen real wagon?

Keyen real wagon was led by me.

[TwoFace]

You probably suspected he was one.

[TwoFace]

yeah key is a good lynch. I get people don't want to rush things but sometimes rushing isn't so bad. Just had a game end where we lynched someone quickly and it worked in town's favor because he was scum and it helped the PRs find the other scums

I joined it but never actually never stopped pushing it.

[TwoFace]

You probably suspected he was one.

What makes you say that?

Basically just a bunch. His push was bad, no way dave looked like scum. Grey had more traction and better reasons but he stuck with Dave for not good reasons.

[TwoFace]

What PR tells were in Dave's ISO?

Pretty much how every other pr seems to play. Not as helpful as they should be, not scum hunting like they should be, kinda laying low as best as they can

[TwoFace]

Go away troll. Stop misrepping me

[TwoFace]

I think these two might be town but I'm not sure yet
I may do a VCA (day 1 only)

can you explain why you think gerry is town

[TwoFace]

Aside fron the fact he's too defensive

people still think defensiveness is bad/scummy?

[TwoFace]

I know. That's why he's probably scum. Stalling with these isos that aren't useful and prevents him from interacting and scum hunting.

Isos can be easily twisted as scum to fit a narrative. It's one of the easiest ways to manipulate people as scum.

Nobody's even really reading or using his isos.

[TwoFace]

Speaking of 2Face....JJD, can you elaborate on why he is a townread outside of the fact he posts a lot?

And this is a misrep. I never said or implied that 2F is a TR cause he posts alot.

Spoiler:

he's one of the few people that appears to be trying to find scum and is paying attention to the game.

coming from somebody who just iso'd you, that was a weird question/misrep. He should have seen that

[TwoFace]

does whether you think defensiveness is good or bad matter? It's not affecting my read on JJD. I only mention it

Uh your post clearly indicates your read is affected by it though.

JarJar comes across as town for the most part. Aside fron the fact he's too defensive

This implies if he wasn't defensive he'd be a stronger town read.

[TwoFace]

v/la through the weekend

[TwoFace]

Hey mod. I Called it

[TwoFace]

I'm voting gerry

Okay. - eS

[TwoFace]

See this is why these iso posts are so bad. He doesn't ask questions about them. He just sees black/white. If I had the time I could explain every single thing in red but he doesn't care or else he'd ask questions first.

Oh and Tywin did lie. To say he didn't when I proved he did just goes to show how bad of a player he is.

[TwoFace]

It's a terrible vote cause I'm town.

[TwoFace]

I proved he did just goes to show how bad of a player he is.

is everyone bad according to you lol

Lots of people are yes. People who lie are bad, people who avoid interactions with other players are bad, people who don't explain themselves are bad, people who don't scum hunt are bad. Take you for example. What scum hunting or figuring out have you done today? Absolutely none. If you're town you have proven again what I already said in that other game. You're a liability to town.

You voted me for voting you. You say my reasons are bad but they aren't. Could they be wrong? Sure but they aren't bad.

I hate these iso things fitz did but at least he attempted something. That makes you a better lynch candidate over him.

[TwoFace]

In short...I suspect TwoFace for tunneling keyen all D1 despite acknowledging that his vote on keyen was opportunistic and that his case on him was weak. That there were no better alternatives to keyen despite a solid effort by JJD towards Gamma; and Tywin, who he had prior to this claimed to have caught in a lie. Wouldn't catching someone in a lie warrant a vote to L-4 more than someone whose case you said was weak and only at L-5?

Fact check.

I never said my vote was oppportunistic. The closest I said was maybe my earlier vote was opportunistic but not the thing he was accusing me of being opportunistic about. And yes while technically I never changed my vote, I was referring to reasons. When I originally voted him it was cause I like rvs wagons. His reactions made my vote serious.

Also another fact check. I never said my case on keyen was weak. That's a blatant lie. I said my reasons for Tywin were weak.

Read 379 then read 380 & 381.

My reasons for keyen/ty to be scum together was weak. Not my reason for keyen. My reasons for keyen were never weak.

Grey and I interacted a couple of times so not sure how you could say I was ignorant of his exsistance. And I didn't all of a sudden say I'd vote grey. My post right before that I asked keyen why he left grey off his list. And he was on my radar for defending Tywin earlier.

Let's just stick with the weak opportunistic keyen wagon.

Misrep

So why not pass on keyen and go for the sure thing...the caught scum whose claim you do not believe (i.e. Grey)? Or the liar (Tywin)?

Why are you asking questions you already know the answer to?

I don't lynched claimed PRs day 1

I already said that I think tywin is probably scum if you are scum, so clearly i am not going to be voting him right now.

Also.

That there were no better alternatives to keyen despite a solid effort by JJD towards Gamma

except

I feel like gamma is town

and Tywin, who he had prior to this claimed to have caught in a lie. Wouldn't catching someone in a lie warrant a vote to L-4 more than someone whose case you said was weak and only at L-5?

Why would I vote him over keyen when I said he is scum ONLY if keyen is scum?

And no unfortunately lying alone isn't enough of a reason to lynch somebody.

tywin was the cop. Are you really using the fact that I didn't push him (a weaker scum read) over my top scum read against me? Are you really using the fact that I didn't vote a town read over my top scum read against me?

Are you really using the fact that I have a never waivering policy of not voting claimed PRs day 1(which is smart play) against me?

Yeah I'm sorry try again. Your entire case against me is lies/misreps/non AI things.

[TwoFace]

Also the moment keyen broke site rules to attempt to discredit me, I was convinced he had to be scum. I don't see why a townie would not just ignore me if they know my reads can be shit. I felt like only scum would be that deceitful

[TwoFace]

I hate these iso things fitz did but at least he attempted something. That makes you a better lynch candidate over him.

I take this back. Actually reading his summary on why I'm scum, Fitz's contributions are terrible and it pretty much condemns him as scum from my Pov for reasons I can't discuss
VOTE: fitz

[TwoFace]

I know you are not mafia at least..

How does fitz know Gerry is not mafia? He was just suspecting him earlier but now somehow knows he isn't mafia?

Can you explain this fitz?

[TwoFace]

Oh nevermind that. He was talking to gamma not gerry

[TwoFace]

What sold you?

UNVOTE:

[TwoFace]

Putting fitz to l-1 like that out of the blue felt weird to me.

[TwoFace]

Do you think gamma is vig or sk?

Grey replacing in and going inactive is weird.

[TwoFace]

Note...you only ever made one vote on keyen. The one you say could be called opportunistic.

did you not see my clarification? why did you just ignore that? i was referring to my reasons. yes my earlier vote could be looked at as opportunistic, I conceded as much. You can pretty much call anyone on that rvs wagon opportunistic though. What you are discounting is my vote became serious and it was due to reasons which I explained.

that's where you come off looking bad. you completely leave that out of your narrative.

You cast no suspicion his way until he was getting run up That is a fact.

I never claimed that I did. That isn't what you accused me of. You said I was ignorant of his exsistance which wasn't true. I also asked my biggest scum read why he left grey off his list. That proves that I wasn't ignorant of his exsistance. It also proves that I was thinking of grey specifically for some reason.

you do realize you don't actually have to mention your suspicion on somebody to actually be suspicious of somebody?

why the fuck would you quote and respond to 1137 when I corrected myself in 1138 and said I realized you were talking to gamma not gerry?

like literally what the fuck was the point of that?

[TwoFace]

Why would Tywin lie?

idk? post game why don't you ask him why he lied.

while you're at it ask your predecessor why he did also

[TwoFace]

fitz, this is what tywin said.

He claims he isn't telling anyone else what to do after the fact, but told 'town' to watch me in his original post.

and this is what I actually said

^ smh

Mental note. Keep an eye on that guy

You can say it isn't a lie all you want, but it actually isnt. I'm not telling anyone else what to do. I'm leaving myself a reminder.

[TwoFace]

No

[TwoFace]

He's only at l-2.

[TwoFace]

I'm not ready to end the day until grey posts or his replacement does

[TwoFace]

I'm pretty sure fitz is scum at this point. For something very specific I'll mention post game.

[TwoFace]

first of all, look at tywin's post. he said my ORIGINAL post.

can you fucking read?

my ORIGINAL post is post 124.

but ok fine. show me in post 180 where I tell the entire town to watch him.

i'll be waiting until the apocalypse because IT DIDN'T FUCKING HAPPEN.

but fine, here are the 2 quotes side by side.

^ smh

Mental note. Keep an eye on that guy

if key flips scum, keep an eye on tywin.

See, I am not talking to anyone but myself in both of those posts. I am not telling anyone what to do, what to think, or anything even remotely close to it.

he lied
you suck and are probably scum at this point.

idk what the fuck is wrong with people on this site, but regardless of your alignment when you make a mistake, be a man/woman and admit it instead of arguing that you didn't make it to begin with.

tywin did it, you're doing it, and lots of other people do it also. fucking eager did it in the last game we played. bunch of damn [redacted] people on this site. how hard is it to just say oops my mistake, sorry.

[TwoFace]

Fitz half of th reasons you're scum reading me aren't even true. If you're town how do you scum read someone when your entire basis has been disproven.

The other things you mention aren't scummy let alone AI.

Another thing. Actually I'll put it in another post so you see it. Brb

[TwoFace]

how on earth can you town read Gerry after this? If you're town who's looking for partners,nothing screams partner then 1. Avoiding the wagon and 2. Lying about why he avoided the wagon.

You refused to vote grey

i didnt refuse. he claimed BG. why would i vote him after he claims BG

I'm voting PsychoticDave right now, I could vote Grey though, I haven't really liked any of his content.

I'm a bodyguard.

You avoided his wagon before he claimed btw

And once I call him on it, his reaction is to say my reads are shit like always (implies he knows I'm town. If I'm scum and he's town obviously my reads can't be shit) and omgus votes me.


You see why I think you're scum? You aren't thinking like a townie.

Another thing if you are town, You went into your iso with conf.bias. You had the idea I was scum before you started, and you concluded with the outcome you telegraphed. That I was scum no matter what.

Also, I call bullshit that any sort of POE cleared Gerry from being scum. The fact he avoided a scum wagon d1, and quick hammered scum day 2 to end discussion early automatically earns heavy scum points.

[TwoFace]

Merry Christmas everyone.

[TwoFace]

Twoface in the event that you're just being bad town again, what's your read on Lil Uzi? You can't possibly TR him

Why can't I possibly tr him? What's scummy about him?

You've done jack shit this day phase and your vote is an omgus. Until you actually put some effort into this game and convince me I'm wrong about you, I'm not explaining anything to you.

You're scum or a liability like I've said previously.

Like you don't even comment on how I've basically destroyed fitz reasons on me, no way either of you can be town.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: gerry

[TwoFace]

That's not an answer. And yeah, you said that about me last time. You knew I was town when you said those things last time. I think you're just trying to copy it for me to TR you

That's all you're entitled to right now.

You've done nothing today that looks town. You're vote on me is omgus and shit. You've done absolutely zero scum hunting or game solving.

Piss off scum boy or shit town. It's you're fault I can't tell the difference not mine.

[TwoFace]

You're the one who is stupid cause neither 124 or 180 show me telling people people what to do or thing.

Tywin also said my original post which is 124.

My wagon isn't getting traction cause I'm obvious town as fuck. The fact you aren't even considering Gerry as scum when he outright refused to vote him and then quick hammered the next day means this game is solved.

Gerry/fitz

[TwoFace]

But since you apparently have skeletons in your closet you must hide behind as your new alt..

[TwoFace]

Fitz has had his chance to show he's town. He blew it.

VOTE: fitz

That's L-1

[TwoFace]

You did. It's ok you play shitty as scum

[TwoFace]

Tywin still lied cause 180 doesn't say what he said it did either. So it doesn't matter what post he was actually referring to.

But pro tip. Learn the definition of the word original

[TwoFace]

Tywin was clearly referring to post 180. Your continued obliviousness to this fact is mind boggling

Why are YOU lying if you're town?

You're the one who is stupid cause neither 124 or 180 show me telling people people what to do or thing.

Also 1158 I address it.

That's at least 2 posts where I show I'm not oblivious to it and in fact address it specifically.

Here, I'll explain it again because you obviously have problems reading.

Tywin said my original post. My original post where I link him/keyen is 124.

Tywin isnt here anymore so we can't know what post he was actually referring to. It doesn't matter though.

NEITHER 124 or 180 show me telling anyone what to do or say.

That makes Tywin' accusation towards me false. False accusations imo are lies.

If you were town you would at least see that I've explained my side and done so in a way that makes sense as to why I think Tywin lied.

You could say you don't agree with me that it's a lie but agree that Tywin made a false accusation and you would have looked town. To deny the false accusation happened though can't possibly come from town because it did.

Now you say I'm being oblivious to it which is absolutely not true as I've already twice (now a 3rd time)

So if anyone is a crap player here it is you if you're town. I seriously can't see you being town at this point though.

[TwoFace]

I'm good with either a fitz/Gerry lynch. At this point both are basically caught scum

[TwoFace]

I don't think you've actually said why you think I'm scum. All I remember is you disliking my initial reasoning for scum reading Fitz.

I already said that your posts have been bad and quoted them when you asked

I've only seen you quote him 4 times the entire game and none of them look like reasons to scum read somebody.

Why are you so against actually explaining things so you can try and convince others?

I literally have no idea why you think uzi is scum.

[TwoFace]

Why are you so against actually explaining things so you can try and convince others?

[TwoFace]

Yes I'd like to hear why uzi's posts make sense from scum vs town in your mind. First I'd like to know which posts though. You aren't even clear with that.

Like if you're town and want people to listen to you, you have to make posts that intelligently explain your thoughts.

[TwoFace]

Fitz. Thanks for proving me correct.

I never told town to do anything.

124 and 180 show me not telling town anything.

So what is it. Are you being mistaken or scum?

My bet is scum.

[TwoFace]

caught up

Thoughts

[TwoFace]

How was it messed up? We're 3 days out.

Not really, we are 3 days out now.

It was messed up cause you came out of the blue without really commenting on anything that was going on.

Fitz is a good lynch though. I've seen his scum game. This is it

[TwoFace]

@fitz

time to hang methinks

[TwoFace]

Ugh. Just noticed Gerry is going to be v/LA until the 8th.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fitz

That's L-1

.

Smart move if he's scum. He hasn't done anything protown and now he can vanish for a while

[TwoFace]

How you can exclude gear based on his limited iso? There is no way you as town can eliminate an inactive slot. That right there you lose credibility. Town would put that person in the possible scum slot.

Idk how luv can be in the town pile and jar not when jar hands down looks townier given greys flip.

I pointed out where Gerry avoided voting scum and when asked why lied about it, yet he's a townier than me?

See that's 3 strikes. You're out

[TwoFace]

Never saw a claim but doesn't matter. There's most likely no more PRs left. Hammer this scum.

[TwoFace]

Never saw a claim but doesn't matter. There's most likely no more PRs left. Hammer this scum.

And if and when I'm hammered and flip town...Gamma doesn't shoot and most likely dies tonight. Too bad he's checked out beforehand. And TwoFace ~plays stupid and blames me for his second mislynch. At least Grey was a freebie on D2. Hopefully TF is scum as I hate to think he's playing this poorly as town.

I haven't played stupid though. Ignoring Gerry as a possible scum suspect makes no sense from a town pov, yet you did that. Ignoring his lie doesn't make sense either, yet you did that. Arguing with me that Tywin didn't lie after I proved like 5 different times also makes sense from a town pov.

So if you flip town, you calling me a bad player is like a crack whore making fun of somebody who has a steady job and smokes a little weed to unwind.

I can live with that. If you're town hit the newbie que for a while. Learn how to scum hunt and let conf.bias misguided you

Oh and for the love of god stop those iso things. Clearly you don't know what you're doing.


This is all moot anyway. You're not flipping town

[TwoFace]

Gamma please don't hammer. Fitz is town. His thought process and the way his analysis is represented says town to me. Vote Two face.

Except his though process actually makes no sense from a town pov.

Still waiting on you doing something productive this game btw

[TwoFace]

No he didnt

[TwoFace]

Two face and lil uzi are the team. It's obvious to me now.

If uzi is town, then yes we are on the same team.

Still waiting...

[TwoFace]

I'm doing reads by poe. Jar leaning prob town. Cloud not lynching today to give the slot a chance. Fitz town. Gamma SK/vig prob vig. You two are left.

Well I'm town. You have implied over and over you know I'm town.

So uzi and who else?

[TwoFace]

My reasons weren't bad though.

Avoiding voting scum and lying about why are pretty fucking awesome reasons.

[TwoFace]

Twofaced is scum. Based on a previous game experience with him that I think he's trying hard to copy his town hame from last time.

I'm scum cause I'm playing like I did when I was town?


You're scum cause you refused to vote scum day 1. When asked why you said something that wasn't true. You hammered him day 2 early and it ended discussion. It stopped town from trying to find out his partners

You're scum.

[TwoFace]

you had an awful omgus vote on me.

You really critiquing people for omgus?

1. It's not a scum tell
2. You have omgus voted also.

Hypocrite much?

[TwoFace]

who did fits replaced in ?

Vij

[TwoFace]

It's fitz/Gerry most likely with you being a possibility given on how little came from your predecessors.

That's another knock against fitz. He's town reading gear who did nothing

[TwoFace]

^ yeah what he said. Plus even if the flip didn't happen he was confirmed scum imo by the mod by accident

[TwoFace]

Yeah don't worry about it

[TwoFace]

Yeah don't worry about it

[TwoFace]

Oh you mean day one when YOU lynched town that I was trying to prevent. Not voting scum day 1 and not lynching town > bussing and quickly jumping into lynching obvs town. And as I said everyone was ready for hammer. No need to discuss anything in the event he had a report that could help maf

Lots of people who were town agreed that keyen was scummy so sure you can use that against me but that just means like them, I was wrong.

If you're scum you would know keyen was town and could use that later in the game for town cred, OH SHIT. That's what you're doing right now (think you did it earlier also)

Who bussed and quickly hopped on town?

I don't remember everyone saying they were ready for a hammer. And btw that reason is completely different than the one you originally gave for hammering.

Guess you're having trouble keeping your lies straight.

[TwoFace]

I have been townreading gerry in this game but Post 861 is terrible.

????? How. I don't know if maf has dya chat or something. Say he was a Role Cop. And got his report, but was offline at the time of it. I hammered him so if he had day chat, he would not be able to talk to his partner if he wasn't there.

I have been townreading gerry in this game but Post 861 is terrible.

????? How. I don't know if maf has dya chat or something. Say he was a Role Cop. And got his report, but was offline at the time of it. I hammered him so if he had day chat, he would not be able to talk to his partner if he wasn't there.

This is why you supposedly hammered fast. It's a bullshit reason.

You prevented town from figuring things out. That's a scum move

[TwoFace]

Not sure why it quoted twice.

[TwoFace]

sorry if i voted too fast, but i figured there was no way he could be town and didn't want any more possible communication between him and his partner in case he needed to code something about an ability he had. Do you think we have a SK? Or is a vig more probable?

[TwoFace]

And as I said everyone was ready for hammer

Citation needed. Please link that quote. Don't give Bs about being on a mobile cause I just found all those on mine.

[TwoFace]

I just don't see how cloud is scummier than Gerry or fitz.

[TwoFace]

My iso is self explanatory? There's nothing in my iso that suggests I'm scum. Basically your points against me have been proven falseThere's plenty in gerry's. I just provided more evidence as to why he's scum.

If you were town you'd consider & comment on these glaring scummy things from Gerry but you don't. Your refusal to even consider him scum means you have to be scum.

If you're town you're playing anti town right now cause I'm town and you're ignoring solid arguments as to why somebody is scum. More solid than anything anyone else has been able to scrape together.

And lastly. The fact that you haven't admitted you were wrong and apologized for the whole Tywin thing may not be AI, but it is real life evidence you're just a shitty person.

Admit your mistakes when you make them. It's the grown up and responsible thing to do.

[TwoFace]

If fitz isn't getting lynched, just lynch me. My town flip will confirm fitz is scum and most likely Gerry as well.

I'm done with this game at this point.

[TwoFace]

On the surface maybe but his stuff about me is crap. The stuff about gerrys good out weighs the bad is also garbage cause Gerry has had no good and a shit load of bad.

The fact fitz keeps ignoring gerry's lies just convinces me he's scum.

It'll be a lot easier if you just lynch one of us. You don't want to have to deal with another replacement.

P.edit - sure it does. Fitz's case has basically been disproven, or contains non AI stuff. This is classic scum fitz.

[TwoFace]

Also fitz doesn't buss if he doesn't have to which makes sense he's defending Gerry.

[TwoFace]

who would u say is more likely to be town out of Gerry/Fitz?

Neither. They are both scum

[TwoFace]

Fitz, please just stop talking to me. You're a narcissist and I have no interest interacting with people like that.

[TwoFace]

The one mistake I acknowledge I have already acknowledged.

Oh you did? Please show me where you corrected yourself and acknowledge Tywin did lie.

Once you do that I'll apologize for calling you a narcissist

[TwoFace]

And I'm not wrong about the Tywin thing.

Oh wait

Nope still a narcissist

[TwoFace]

Gerry doesn't explain anything at all. I've tried to get him to yet he doesn't.

He says I'm scum because I'm playing how I'm playing as town. First meta sucks but the fact that he admits I'm playing like my town meta and that makes me scum is just terrible.

He tries to use omgus as a scumtell but he's omgus'd himself.

How is any of this town?

But wait there's more.

He lied about why he didn't vote grey day 1
He lied about why he hammered early day 2
He hammered early day 2 which hurts, not helps town.

He has done absolutely no scum hunting day 2/3 and day 1 I don't even know if you can consider that scum hunting.

All this is somehow townier than what I've done according to fitz.

It's bullshit.

It has to be fitz/Gerry

[TwoFace]

I'll let grey answer but that's a bad question

[TwoFace]

Err uzi

[TwoFace]

Actually scratch that. It's not so bad of a question.

[TwoFace]

I was busy in real life.

You posted elsewhere on site during that time though.

I think almost 2 days past between your post to the mod saying you're voting grey and when the day ended.

[TwoFace]

Smh

[TwoFace]

Uzi - fitz
Me - Gerry
Cloud - jar
Fitz - me, uzi

Not voting gamma and cloud.

Done from my mobile.

[TwoFace]

Errr. What's the vote count. I'm on mobile can't find last. Any questions anyone wants to ask me? Jar why is cloud scum?

Still waiting for the link I asked for

[TwoFace]

Omfg read

[TwoFace]

No it's not.

[TwoFace]

gerry you know that even if tf srs you he could be town and fitz buddying you up

You can't logic Gerry. He scum reads me because I scum read him and I'm playing how I did in the last game where I was town.

If he's town, I honestly think he was born without the ability to use logic.

[TwoFace]

gerry you know that even if tf srs you he could be town and fitz buddying you up

You can't logic Gerry. He scum reads me because I scum read him and I'm playing how I did in the last game where I was town.

If he's town, I honestly think he was born without the ability to use logic.

No that's not why. If you could read, maybe you wouldn't be an awful player

Considering you're reading issues, that's hilarious

[TwoFace]

Says the one who misread me last game when I went 2/3 lmao

Misread you? No you accused me of something that somebody else did and tunneled on me for it. I didn't think town could be that stupid but I underestimated you're stupidity obviously. no smart person could do that.

[TwoFace]

I told you, you were hinting a mislynch on me. Your tiny brain can't understand that I'm sorry. I still had the most accurate reads that game

No i wasn't. So obviously you're the one with the tiny brain

[TwoFace]

Anyways. I'm voting your for stuff THIS game. You're voting me cause you don't care if I'm town or scum.

You actually said that. You don't care if I'm town or scum.

See if you're town you prove you are a liability cause you don't even care if I'm town. Fuck off

[TwoFace]

I don't care cause if you're town and we mislynch you are just gonna vote me tomorrow and we lose anyway.

And if you're town and we mislynch tomorrow you're going to vote me and we'll lose.

If we are both town, you know what the difference will be?

My vote will have actual reasons for them. Like "he didn't vote scum day 1 and when questioned about he gave an answer that wasn't true" or "he ended the day early to hurt town by limiting discussion and at first he said he did it to possible prevent scum discussing at night, but later said that everyone agreed that it was ok to hammer, excpet everyone didn't agree, not even majority agreed that it was ok to hammer. " or "his attacks have basically been omgus or calling things bad without explaining why they are bad when directly asked"

You're vote will be." He lynched town day one but I didn't" "he makes bad posts"(yet doesn't explain which posts are bad and why they are more likely to come from scum or town) "he is playing just like he did as town except this time he's just mirroring his town play, I'm sure of it" or "I don't even care if he's town or not, he's a crappy player who has shitty reads" or even "he voted me for bad reasons so clearly he's scum"(yet these bad reasons aren't actually bad and he knows that or else he would have tried to explain why.


Like when fitz voted me for bad reasons, I explained why they were bad. That's how you play a good game. Regardless if I'm right or wrong about fitz or you, my reasons are out there and explained with detail and people can determine if I'm making sense or not.

Can you say you've done the same? I don't think you have.

So I'll accept being wrong if the scum team isn't both of you I'll take your insults also because I know that I tried harder and played better than you have and in the end that's all that matters. I'll write the loss off to a shitty player who couldn't be bothered to play the game properly.

That's all a moot point though, cause nothing in your play looks like town to me.

Fitz regardless of alignment is a narcissistic asshole but at least he's trying. The same can't be said about you though.

VOTE: gerry
If you flip town I'll violate my other policy and self vote. That's how sure I am you're flipping scum.

[TwoFace]

Does no one agree with me that there was more than 1 scum on the key wagon?

Considering I've seen all town mislynches before. You've got a 50/50 chance of being right. You need an actual case/list of reasons to be made as to why you think somebody is scum. Something you have yet to deliver all game.

Ever wonder why nobody is listening to you? You aren't making any sense and you're not explaining yourself well.

You want to lynch me? Make a case that's better than

"He lynched an obvious townie" cause that isn't AI. Being wrong isn't AI.
"He voted me for bad reasons" because they really weren't.
"I don't care if he's town or not" cause that's just shit play.

[TwoFace]

I'm being serious here.

This was from your list reads a while back. How are you going to convince anyone to lynch me with this?

TwoFace - This guy, has had shit reads on me before in another game when we were both town. He tunneled me until I eventually outed as PR. And I WAS RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME ABOUT MY READS. And he still called me garbage. He's a jerk, so it could be his same town game. But, his read on me is garbage.

Or this?

Wow fast hammer on mafia. SO SCUMMY!!!!!!!!!

I'm starting to think twofaced might be mafia for that bad push on me

Or this

I can see TwoFace, as I said, he could be scum with his awful read on me and pushing on me.

Or this

VOTE: Twofaced

I don't even care if he's scum or not anymore. He prob is scum and trying to copy his attitude from last time. But we have a better chance winning with him in the GY and not grudge voting if he's town.

Or this

Hey lets count how many times one of us mislynched on town this game?

1: Twofaced

0: Gerry.

And have the nerve to say the bolded when the above quotes prove otherwise

I am scumhunting.

And I tried to prevent a mislynch, which is more than what you did.

Also if this were true

I've shown this game that if you have a decent reason for scumreading me, I won't automatically think you're scum.

There is no way this post happens

I still think he's town. But, I didn't like his 180 flip on me after my name was brought up. From going from hard TR to hard SR is very weird.

Because

Havingfitz, I don't see anything from your ISO that would lead you to believe to make me your top scumread. Especially when I was your TR

Fitz does a 180 on Gerry and doesn't even give a reason yet he's still a town read? According to 1087, no way fitz should be a town read.

[TwoFace]

And I did all that on my mobile so i never want to hear you say being on a mobile is hard

[TwoFace]

Gerry or fitz. I guess I could do cloud over fitz cause at least he's trying

[TwoFace]

This game needs to wrap up before mlk day. Going to Disney for a week with the fam and wife said no mafia while on vacation:lol:

[TwoFace]

Compared to those 3, absolutely

[TwoFace]

WTF Gamma. Any thought behind that vote or are you just idiot sheeping?

I thought I brought up good points on LUV....but almost as good is the void that is the Gear slot.

VOTE: Cloud

You complain about somebody else sheeping, yet you're voting somebody who for most of the game has been on your town list and you don't really give a reason other than what's been known since you were originally calling them townish.

Interesting

[TwoFace]

Why the fuck did everyone ignore my awesome post about Gerry? Seriously I'm over this game.

[TwoFace]

You didn't explain shit
You haven't explained shit
You didn't even read the fucking post I'm talking about

[TwoFace]

I have a question.

If you believe this to be true since you said it.

I've shown this game that if you have a decent reason for scumreading me, I won't automatically think you're scum. But your reason is awful

How on earth can you make these 2 posts while at the time tr'ing him?

I still think he's town. But, I didn't like his 180 flip on me after my name was brought up. From going from hard TR to hard SR is very weird. I explained all my reads in a post

Havingfitz, I don't see anything from your ISO that would lead you to believe to make me your top scumread. Especially when I was your TR

And when he finally responds he says

It's more of a poe thing than anything in particular that you did wrong. Though one thing that does come to mind without looking back over my ISO of you that I know I did/do not care for was the way you handled the Grey lynch and subsequent explanation.

You think poe is a good reason?
The other part of his reason is THE SAME FUCKING REASON I GAVE.


How in the fuck is fitz a town read?

If that first post was a truthful statement from you, no way fitz isn't a scum read.

So why the contradiction?

[TwoFace]

It's not the first yet. Why the duck are you phoning it in now?

[TwoFace]

If I said it was Poe it would be fine but because I used actual game reasons that was bad?

Get the fuck out of here.

So that original statement by you was yet another lie you've told.

You better be scum here cause if not I think you win the award for the shittiest mafia player in the world.

Lying multiple times
Tr people for shitty reasons
Sr people who had good reasons
Not explaining much
Doing almost no scum hunting
Hurting town by quickly ending the day when nobody had agreed it was ok.

[TwoFace]

Two face. Anything else needed to answer?

Yes.

If you're town will you please go back to whatever site you came from?

This site doesn't need more shitty players.

[TwoFace]

Scratch that. Regardless of your alignment will you do that?

[TwoFace]

I'm over fitz now. He's at least been trying. I can ignore his stupid and let others figure out if he's scum.

Gerry is the only one who should be lynched today.

[TwoFace]

Thanks for insulting all the other townies on the wagon

Stay classy.

[TwoFace]

But yes. I'm stupid for thinking keyen was scum.

Last I checked stupid =/= scum

[TwoFace]

Fitz. If I wanted to lynch you, you'd be hammered already. Gerry needs death.

I'll ignore your opinions giving you were town reading an inactive slot which basically makes your poe shit. Now you've done a 180 on that town read for the same reason you were town reading them. Doing jack shit

You just made fun of clouds vote on you which is fucking hypocritical as hell cause you didn't post a case with your vote either.


The only reason why you haven't been hammered because out of the 3 most likely to be scum, you're not afraid to post your throughts, no matter how bad they are. I'd rather have people like that in mylo/lylo.

Gerry/cloud need to be nowhere near mylo/lylo.

Gerry I've given a shit load of reasons why he's probably scum. The fact that he doesn't scum read you for your 180 with weak reasons but scum read me for at the very least pretty decent (I'm down playing obviously) reasons is bullshit.

[TwoFace]

If I was maf I woulda nk'd twoface night 1 cause a toxic and annoying person to play with.

I'm toxic but you basically told me to go kill myself.

And I'm annoying how? Cause I'm trying to lynch you? Cause I think based on your play you make sense as scum?

gtfoh

[TwoFace]

You haven't tried to be reasonable at all. Telling me to drink bleach isn't being reasonable. Getting mad cause I think your scum isn't being reasonable. Being a multi time liar and a hypocrite isn't being reasonable.

[TwoFace]

also twoface it's been proven that you're shit at reading me, so dont even try

Is this when you tried to be reasonable with me?

[TwoFace]

I'm voting PsychoticDave right now, I could vote Grey though, I haven't really liked any of his content.

I'm a bodyguard.

You avoided his wagon before he claimed btw

because I wanted dave more???? are you blind

Or this?

[TwoFace]

Hmm I can't seem to find it. Can you link where you tried to be reasonable with me and my response back was an unreasonable one

[TwoFace]

My scum team is you/Gerry. If one of you aren't scum, it's probably cloud.

That said I'd rather lynch Gerry first. If cloud got lynched first I wouldn't care. 3 useless slots is weird. He's probably scum but given the posts you and Gerry have made I can't see town them.

[TwoFace]

Uzi I don't necessarily town read, but I don't scum read either. He's just eh

[TwoFace]

I dont really get why am i being scumread

You, and your 2 predecessors haven't done anything.

[TwoFace]

Like who's your scum reads and more importantly why

[TwoFace]

I do expect it though. Your contribution has been lacking.

[TwoFace]

Whatever

VOTE: cloud

[TwoFace]

VOTE: gerry

[TwoFace]

Btw gamma is definitely SK

[TwoFace]

Now are we in 2 maf & sk or 3 maf & sk setup?

Guess no way to know.

Gamma is a good lynch also

[TwoFace]

No I'm looking at roles and balance.

Cop/doc/jk/commuter/vig doesn't make sense against 3 mafia.

He's sk or this is 2 different scum team setup.

[TwoFace]

Change jk to RB. Same difference

[TwoFace]

I study the archives all the time. Now while I guess this could be possible for vig, just feels like it's too much for town even with a 1 shot strongman.

Add in gamma's kills are bad shots for a vig, I'm definitely leaning sk now. Hopefully we aren't in 2 mafia team setup.

[TwoFace]

More Gerry votes please

[TwoFace]

Im not scum and gamma is sk like tf said for balance issues, gerry tf is a tvt abd fitz is scum

So you think we have 1 scum and 1 sk? Not 1 sk and 2 scum?

[TwoFace]

you don't think he was blocked by jar?

[TwoFace]

off topic, is there a site where people actually converse back and forth and not just pop in when they feel like it?

I don't necessarily like speed games or chat mafia but i do like games where people actually have conversations with each other, actually try to figure things out, and don't lurk

[TwoFace]

until gamma posts i don't want to speculate on anything. though I don't think anything gamma says can be trusted, i'd still like to hear from him

UNVOTE:

[TwoFace]

gamma isn't auto loss if he is SK

[TwoFace]

I guess it depends on if we have a 3 man or 2 man scum team.

[TwoFace]

If only there was a place that listed all the roles and powers...

[TwoFace]

Oh wait. There is. Stop being lazy, whatever your alignment is.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Serial_Killer

[TwoFace]

SK is not guaranteed to be compulsive

[TwoFace]

NKA sucks but I think we can apply it here. Jar felt town but I wouldn't say obvious town based on my experience with him. The NK points to Cloud in my opinion because Jar was the one who started and ended up making a a serious push his way.

No he was obviously town.

[TwoFace]

@Mod what happens if Jar was roleblocking the scum who aiming to kill him? Would the kill fail?

[TwoFace]

I think you're scum playing stupid cause I refuse to believe you're actually this stupid.

I played epic mafia years ago and I doubt they changed it. Roleblocker blocks the killer, the kill fails. That's common sense.

You also don't get to come in here after doing no kind of figuring things out and all of a sudden act like a townie.

Die scum. Seriously lynch this dude.

[TwoFace]

Well that certainly explains why you're a shitty player. Go back to that crappy site.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: Gerry

[TwoFace]

You're assement is common sense. you brought no ground breaking info to the table

[TwoFace]

Fitz/Gerry like I said all along.

[TwoFace]

Pretty sure that's not possible within normal guidelines

[TwoFace]

I hope you are scum so that my "wow...his game" assessment is less wrong.

Nope I'm town. I guess next time don't play like scum.

[TwoFace]

Nah EM is a terrible site.

[TwoFace]

@ fitz, The fuck was the point of that? I don't care if jarjar tr you. Your play suggests scum to me. Jar could be wrong. Shit I could be wrong. But I go by what I see and I see scum.

[TwoFace]

Sounds like my wife lol

[TwoFace]

Shit I could be wrong.

^ this

But your play suggests you are scum.

1. You as town said you don't bus if you don't have to. You didn't vote grey despite saying you were going to vote him or me

2. You telegraphed your vote on me day 3 from basically the jump and your isos were all biased with the idea that at the end you were going to vote me.

3. You don't do much if any scum hunting. You don't even really interact with people either.

4. You show suspicion of Gerry yet drop it without good reasoning and despite me catching him in 3 lies about how things happened in the game, you ignore them all and push me and refuse to vote him (see the point about bussing)

5. I've done at least 2 things that should at least make you think I could be town, yet you have refused to consider that possibility

So sorry, if you're town your play has been like scum

[TwoFace]

And i don't need you to respond to these. I won't read them.

[TwoFace]

And i don't need you to respond to these. I won't read them.

[TwoFace]

God I hope we aren't still on this day phase by the 17th

[TwoFace]

He's not hammered yet? Must mean he's scum.

[TwoFace]

I don't give a rats ass what you have to say

[TwoFace]

You're assement is common sense. you brought no ground breaking info to the table

You still haven't.

you're obviously scum.

[TwoFace]

Lol. Ok. If you were town I think you'd be a bit more thoughtful

I am town and I have no interest in being thoughtful to the guy who suggested I drink bleach.

Piss off homie

[TwoFace]

What have you brought

10x more than you.

[TwoFace]

I really regret not hammering fitz yesterday. If he's actually scum I'm going to never forgive myself

[TwoFace]

Basically need cloud and gamma to vote Gerry.

[TwoFace]

No that was meant for here. I don't have a scum chat

[TwoFace]

im voting fitz ftr

Vote Gerry instead. Unless I'm wrong and its you/Gerry.

[TwoFace]

Who said I'm not concerned. I mentioned the Gerry thing ages ago

I actually think the 3 of you are scum. Just one was sent a town role pm and is playing like scum. I just can't figure out who that is yet

[TwoFace]

I'm not voting anyone else. At this point he's my top scum read AND he told me to go drink bleach.

Fuxk him

[TwoFace]

You expect too much.

I expect if you're town to vote Gerry but you won't for some reason.

[TwoFace]

You basically just voted me cause I was voting you.

you of all people should no have a problem with this since that's what you basically did earlier this game

[TwoFace]

You just lied

pot meet kettle

[TwoFace]

theres at the very very least one mafia in fitz an luv regardless of gerry alignement

if gerry is scum, signs point to you actually being the buddy

[TwoFace]

So no one cares that fitz just lied? Lol

you lied 3 times yet you are still alive so people obviously don't care about lying.

it's a shame really

UNVOTE:

for now

[TwoFace]

also implying theres a world where the game continue if gerry flips town, looks like scumslipping to me

what are you talking about?

[TwoFace]

actually I want the pleasure of hammering gerry.

[TwoFace]

he won't have to hammer, he just has to vote

[TwoFace]

I won't be voting anyone but gerry, sorry

[TwoFace]

not unless it is you /gerry

[TwoFace]

I don't get the rush

btw I fucking laughed out loud when I saw this

[TwoFace]

not happening, you didnt comment on fitz scummy ass vote on gerry either

any vote for gerry is a good vote at this point.

I don't see how he could town read by anyone at this point.

if he is town, I blame him for this loss

[TwoFace]

how he could be*

[TwoFace]

if hes town, ill blame you

That's fine if you want to turn a biind eye to how much like scum he played.

[TwoFace]

@tf give me your updated reads on fitz and the gerry interactions plz

Thought it was him/fitz. The fitz vote and your non hammer makes me think that fitz is town. It's possible he's scum bussing and setting you up for tomorrow but that's too complicated

[TwoFace]

Gerry isn't town gamma.

[TwoFace]

Link the game where I "buddied"

I didn't say buddying was the similarity.

Can you explain what is?

Also links?

[TwoFace]

I did answer? I quoted them.

Quoting doesn't answer his question though.

You never actually answered the main point of his question

[TwoFace]

If both G and C are town, scum is H and luv

But if C is scum, g isn't town.

G/c team looks possible

G/hf also probable but less likely

That's where I'm at.

[TwoFace]

He's probably referring to earlier

[TwoFace]

Yeah I think a Gerry/cloud team makes sense. With HF playing poorly

[TwoFace]

Coming from the guy who scum reads me for non AI things...

[TwoFace]

This is like pulling teeth.

Welcome to my world.

[TwoFace]

If you are town you'd be dead by now.

You aren't town

[TwoFace]

It doesn't matter. And no its not

Yes it is.

[TwoFace]

Gerry you're guilty of posting filler so...

[TwoFace]

Why is this vote by fitz so bad but you were ok with his 180 on you earlier?