Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[callforjudgement]

Can you explain Narna's clear on Nahdia (#6164)? I can't see any way it can possibly have been incorrect, in that it stated that Nahdia couldn't kill at the time.

If Nahdia is scum, then either they don't have a kill, or else they were recruited by Maxous (in which case they weren't lying about the JK, because they would have been town at the time they claimed it). I can't see a way in which Nahdia is an SK and has been all game.

[BigYoshiFan]

Posting it outside the hood murders one of the reaction tests.

Spoiler:

Assume SirCakez is scum with Maxous preflip. Then SirCakez gave bodyguard to CFJ and hit a VT with one item and again with a second but was roleblocked by Maxous. I forget who he hit N3 I am not in front of my notes but why would scum block themselves. That makes no sense. So if SirCakez is scum it is either SK or post Maxous. Pre Maxous is insane.

Assume Gio is scum with Maxous preflip. Then he hits Maxous and confirms him as ascetic D2 because ? Maxous lies because ? There is no reason for Maxous to make a lie except when Nahdia claimed N4. Before that point there were no obvious contradictions. If Maxous was scum with Maxous why confirm the psychologist who would be an easy mislynch when Maxous was claimed ascetic.

Furthermore assume I am scum with Maxous preflip. People were fucking confused and didn't have any idea what was going on. I would have 0 reason not to push Narna. Instead I broke down everywhere Maxous lied. Furthermore Creature was obviously BP hunting for another BP because he would clearly know that person isn't Town because two Town BP in a setup like this is bullshit.

Therefore in that world we would be hunting one person to lynch the entire fucking game which makes me even more confirmed town. So gist is we need JaeReed alive and to make it to end game I do not trust Nahdia can actually Jailkeep and therefore we need JaeReed immune to kills.

There are many things that baffle me about this post. I'm in need of sleep, but I need more clarification. Under what assumptions are you basing these off of?
You are assuming that there was a scumteam pre-Maxous flip. You are assuming that Maxous had allies that both he and his allies were aware of. Those are the main assumptions I am concerned about, the ones regarding this game's scumteam(s). I would appreciate some clarification on your view of what you think was the meaning of Maxous' "new faction" and how it affected the game's setup.

Also, another assumption you've made:
- The scumteam that existed before Maxous' lynch did not have the ability to kill. (I think I've heard you mention this before, also you can't say SirCakez could be a SK and acknowledge that only one kill has occurred each night if the scumteam had the ability to kill.)

Also, I don't recall how Maxous lied regarding anything with Gio. Could you remind me, and how Nahdia's N4 claim is relevant?

Lastly, a response to this:
"If Maxous was scum with Maxous why confirm the psychologist who would be an easy mislynch when Maxous was claimed ascetic."
I assume you mean Gio instead of the first time you mention "Maxous." It could be for towncred and/or that Narna's role was weaker than it appeared or misleading and the scumteam knew it. It could be for towncred when they kill Narna the next day when everyone witnesses Narna's flip, but Narna survived N5 because of me.

[Nahdia]

lol.

my jailkeep is real.

[MathBlade]

Then you won't mind proving it after we make sure JaeReed is okay. Then we conf town you and all is happy go lucky with three conf towns going into the next day.

[BigYoshiFan]

Exactly. If Gio was lying about being a weak follower Shiro could have confirmed that by hitting him. As scum it is much too high a risk to keep someone alive who can confirm you are a liar. Hence Gio is more townie yes.

COULD. Key word: COULD. When did Gio claim? They could have night killed Shiro before the opportunity arrived, but Shiro was lynched. Did Shiro believe them? Probably since they know they are town. There may be no need to kill Shiro for that reason if Shiro explicitly townread them. Not sure on much of this because I don't recall much of Shiro's posts or when Gio claimed.

[MathBlade]

I am not making assumptions. I am making hypothesis and following them to their logical conclusion.

I am not assuming a team. I am saying either there is an SK or Gio would have to be on a team with Maxous ergo team. Gio cannot be the SK and know Maxous was ascetic without also being the follower he claimed and not be sweating bullets about Shiro. Please reread after sleep.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: Gio first claim weak Maxous

Ok, what the fuck? I come to post and I find myself in front of the Apocalypse.


I understand that I am scumread and rightly so, so reading the last few pages before the Leonshade shenanigan, I will try to defend myself.

If I was scum that had replaced into the generally townread House slot, I wouldn't have a reason to even go near the McMenno wagon or post polarizing theories regarding flips. Instead, I would had voted Narna like all the cool kids did at the time and generally I would not stick out as much I did.

In games I usually have a low post count with a high word count per post (I like textwalling). If I was scum, I would actually textwall based on theories my mafia buddies would help me to develop during the night I replaced in. I know that Creature (and possibly SirCakez) know how I play and I would do anything possible to play as similarly as I did in the previous games.

Also, regarding Creature:

Maxous, Giovanni and Almost50 are my top preferences.

This is the second time Creature says he wants to lynch Maxous and I. My objection here is that I am a weak role who targeted Maxous at night, so, barring shenanigans, I should have been dead if he was scum.

PEDIT

VOTE: Maxous

Disingenuous my ass.

Interesting.

VOTE: LeonShade

@Yoshi -- D2

[MathBlade]

Shiro was lynched not killed D4. This strongly implies that Gio is telling the truth about being weak.

In contrast this does not apply for Nahdia because SK's generally get some sort of investigation immunity which presents like a block (1 shot, ascetic, something...) especially in a 20+ player game.

Shiro is a good PR person. He would check. Hell he jailkept me 5 (I think) times in Mass Effect Mafia.

[callforjudgement]

An investigation immunity, to stop Narna, would have had to be something Godfather-like. An Ascetic-like would have produced different results ("blocked" versus "can't kill"). Psychologist isn't Tracker or Follower.

[MathBlade]

An investigation immunity, to stop Narna, would have had to be something Godfather-like. An Ascetic-like would have produced different results ("blocked" versus "can't kill"). Psychologist isn't Tracker or Follower.

Hence I said "something" because godfather and things from my not online days would handle it.

[MathBlade]

I am going to bed.

[Nahdia]

if you have some plan for me to prove it, im all ears.

[Ankamius]

You know that feeling that I've been getting about what we''re doing being a trap?

I'm getting that feeling again.

BigYoshiFan is sounding very fake today.

[MathBlade]

You know that feeling that I've been getting about what we''re doing being a trap?

I'm getting that feeling again.

BigYoshiFan is sounding very fake today.

You said that before our only Not town lynch.

[SirCakez]

With all of the debate over A50, Yoshi and PV I think this is the safest bet for scum now

I didn't read through all of the posts, but I saw multiple claims for a full claim.
I am Toriel.
1-shot Universal Doctor and Priestess
I can heal everybody during the night once and I can't hammer.

This claim seems fake as hell

Everyone MathBlade's hammered on (as in had an argument with) is town.
I'm obviously an example, but disputes with Ankamius and Nahdia can be as well.
I've noticed that he's let people slip under the radar, and I accuse those as their partners.
I think Creeps20 would be a good example of this.

As of now I think the scumteam is Math/Gio/Narna/Creeps20
If there is a fifth one, it's not Ankamius or Nahdia. Not sure where to look for that one, but I think relationships (or lack of relationships) with Math is key.
Of course all of these reads are based on Math, but that's all the reads I've made.
Now, I seriously need to focus on finals.

Where did your scumread on me go?

yoshi is trolling because he's caught scum and wants to shit up the thread even more before he inevitably gets hammered in the hopes that people will be too unmotivated to catch his scum buddies

^ this
Like I can't see why he's spam so much garbage like if he was legit town

I think town in this scenario would be a lot more cooperative, no?

Narna/Creeps FFS
Not Chara town flip is unsurprising though
Since Narna was town that basically confirms an investigation result manipulator I believe?

I think scum is in (A50, PV, Callforjudgement, Ank) at this point, with a small chance of Yoshi scum if there was a nokill gambit to "clear" him.

Yes, you clearly thought I was townie for my claim.

The first quote was saying I didn't want to lynch you today because of debate over your claim
The second is from dozens of pages ago
The third is saying there's a small chance of you being scum, but not a lot.
Not sure what you're confused over here.

Ank - if you think BYF is scum then what do you think happened night 5?

[Skullduggery]

Day 7, Vote Count #7

Current Vote Count:

(3)

SirCakez -- callforjudgement, JaeReed, BigYoshiFan

(0)

Giovanni il Pellegrino

(0)

MathBlade

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Nahdia

(0)

callforjudgement

(0)

Ankamius

(0)

BigYoshiFan

(4)

Almost50 -- Almost50, PeregrineV, MathBlade, SirCakez

(0)

JaeReed

Not Voting:

Giovanni il Pellegrino, Nahdia, Ankamius

With 10 votes available, it takes 6 votes to hammer.

MathBlade is V/LA until 1/2.

Day 7 Will End on Wednesday, January 11th, at 7 p.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2017-01-11 19:00:00)

[MathBlade]

All we need to protect JaeReed is Nahdia vote Almost50 and then Yoshi attempts a hammer and fails then JaeReed does and all is good. Cmon Nahdia then we prove you are what you say you are and nothing else and then one person dies (if two lynch Ank immediately) then

PV, Nahdia, JaeReed, myself hard town reads afterward. Let's trap the scums!!! Do not let them wiggle out of this.

[MathBlade]

Oh and Yoshi too in the hard town reads after tonight.

[Nahdia]

so. i just. vote a50? right now? that's what im doing?

[MathBlade]

so. i just. vote a50? right now? that's what im doing?

Yup. Please and thanks.

Then Yoshi proves no has hammers.
Then JaeReed does hammer.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: a50

ok i trust u i guess. sorry i've been pretty absent this day.

[MathBlade]

Yoshi goooooo!

[MathBlade]

VOTE: a50

ok i trust u i guess. sorry i've been pretty absent this day.

Probably if I ever die you'll know why and can carry the torch assuming you be Town.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: A50
Won't count. A50, get your damn vote of yourself!

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: A50
Won't count. A50, get your damn vote

off

of yourself!

EBWOP