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[-Grey-]

I'm just waiting for Grey to get in here so that the real entertainment can start.
This party don't start without fuckin Grey around.

Twelve pages in eight hours. Wtf you lot?

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The game will end when all threats to town have been eliminated or that is not possible.

Singleball.

What else has been said anywhere that the opposite might even be a consideration?

VOTE: Creature

[-Grey-]

Looks like scum theater.

Nah, I doubt this. I'm TRing Pine for that fake dayvig (assuming it is fake).

Why wouldn't scum fake a vig shot?

[-Grey-]

The game will end when all threats to town have been eliminated or that is not possible.

Singleball.

How does that confirm singleball? (Although, that is badly worded imo.)

Oh nvm, that does not confirm singleball.

What indicated the possibility of multiball that made you look for confirmation of single all?

I think you slipped.

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Debi, there aren't many non-town there. Also, the only possible factions are town, mafia/werewolves and SK.

And aliens.
And cults
And tons of other third-party factions

[-Grey-]

And, the reason for this totally useless nonsense is _____?

4-5 scum is a more logical coonclusion for the scum ratio. 9 scum in a 19p NORMAL game has probably a 1 in a Million chance AT BEST. (Most likely, there is a 0 zero chance of that happening cuz that makes Day 1 LyLo and could still screw town w/ a perfect game if it's multiball)

4/19 * 3/18 = 12 / (152 + 190) = 12 / 342 = 4 / 114 = 2 / 57 or <4% chance.
VOTE: Debi

Bad vote is bad.

Scum isn't going to deliberately post terrible numbers that can't possibly be true because it'll simply be corrected immediately. It gains them nothing.

Debi's terribad theorycraft is NAI.

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I agree. Assuming 9 scum right off the bat implies foreknowledge of the setup

Welcome to my scum pile.

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So my primary conclusion is that Debi likely has some kind of setup foreknowledge to be making such a hypothetical so early. My secondary is that if Debi has setup foreknowledge, then her hypothetical implies that her foreknowledge is that the game is multiball. But the secondary can't be confirmed until she flips.

Either way the primary is enough for me to put down an initial vote.

If she had knowledge of the setup, HER NUMBERS WOULDN'T BE IMPOSSIBLE.

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I think Debi just made a dumb assumption rather than showing actual knowledge.

Eh, yeah it could be a "culture shock" kind of thing since we know her regular forum isn't dedicated to the game like this one is, and so we don't know how they make setups or if they're balanced or what.

There is only one thing this post lacks to feel genuine.

An unvote.

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Lets be real votes on Alisae are pretty low effort

Not really. He's buddying me pretty hard this game and the last game we were in together I was demolishing scum before I got NK'ed, so...

I could see him being scum with Creature; moreso than Wraith, actually.

[-Grey-]

Yeah no shit.

How about them

Yankees

Creaturescum?

Ya.

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Haven't got any bad vibes from Dunn to be honest. Tone feels genuine.

His ISO has almost no content. Tho he probs needs more time.

Sit on that fence, Ali!

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before i start, again, fuck math.
If Debi had knowledge of the setup, then why the hell would she say that there's 10 town and 9 maf? It's 99.9% impossible that that's the case, showing that Debi does NOT have knowledge of the setup. That right there raises red flags to me. You obviously hadn't went back over your reasoning. You were so quick to jump onto a vote that it spooks me a little bit.

VOTE: Wraith

Also, what the hell is single/multiball?

Edit:

alisae still smells

#goodposting

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The best part of this wagon is that no one is giving me anything so I can't defend myself.

Guess what...?

VOTE: Alisae

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What a great wall, Trump approves

Loled

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Grey, was that # good posting sarcasm or was it an actual good post?

I meant it.

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Echo are you saying it's not a slip in this case?

What's not a slip, what debi said about the 10:9 or whatever? Nah, that was just human error. Just her trying to prove her point. I've done the same kind of thing before. No scuminess behind it.

You got my vote then
VOTE: Wraith

So, is this a sheep vote or are you voting a scumread?

The lack of clarity in your posting is what has me happy to lynch you.

Well, that and the fluffing, and buddying, of course.

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So, if there is scum on the wagon, who is it?

it's you, alisae is your scumbuddy

Hey, don't leave me out!

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Also I can't decide if RB is town or scum.

On one hand he could be trying to derail the Wraith wagon by attacking two of the people that are on it.
On the other hand, would scum really do a push so bad on both me an Gin?

this bad push is going to have you both lynched on days 1 and 2 respectively

and if you wanna just tell me your other scumbuddy now that's fine too

Clarify this for me rb, are you saying there are only three scum? In a 19p game?

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Also I can't decide if RB is town or scum.

On one hand he could be trying to derail the Wraith wagon by attacking two of the people that are on it.
On the other hand, would scum really do a push so bad on both me an Gin?

this bad push is going to have you both lynched on days 1 and 2 respectively

and if you wanna just tell me your other scumbuddy now that's fine too

Clarify this for me rb, are you saying there are only three scum? In a 19p game?

who actually cares how many there are, we lynch until they're dead

Why would you assume scumbuddy instead of scumbudd

ies

?

[-Grey-]

SEMANTICS

The devil is in the details.

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A man posting spiderman memes is so obv town we don't even need to question his motives.

Not when they were requested before the posting.

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SEMANTICS

The devil is in the details.

shit player detected

Also I can't decide if RB is town or scum.

On one hand he could be trying to derail the Wraith wagon by attacking two of the people that are on it.
On the other hand, would scum really do a push so bad on both me an Gin?

this bad push is going to have you both lynched on days 1 and 2 respectively

and if you wanna just tell me your other scumbuddy now that's fine too

Clarify this for me rb, are you saying there are only three scum? In a 19p game?

who actually cares how many there are, we lynch until they're dead

Why would you assume scumbuddy instead of scumbudd

ies

?

[-Grey-]

Final reads before I go take a shower, go to sleep, and then wake up to find out that I got lynched.

Town: rb, Grey, Uzi, Gin, Pine, Echo, Debi, Zach
Scum: Kyouko, Creature, Wraith, Dunn, and maybe Ircher
Null: Everyone else.

I'd be interested in reading all about how your content resulted in all these reads.

Teach me, Yoda.

[-Grey-]

And I'm sure your read on me will change anyway

Sup, buddy?

[-Grey-]

{Alisae, Wraith, rb, Creature}

I'm happy voting anywhere in there.

[-Grey-]

Final reads before I go take a shower, go to sleep, and then wake up to find out that I got lynched.

Town: rb, Grey, Uzi, Gin, Pine, Echo, Debi, Zach
Scum: Kyouko, Creature, Wraith, Dunn, and maybe Ircher
Null: Everyone else.

I'd be interested in reading all about how your content resulted in all these reads.

Teach me, Yoda.

Sure.
rb's push on me seems townish. rb scumreading me and wanting to lynch gin over me even tho I have the largest wagon currently is townish.

I completely disagree. Also, iirc you were townreading him before 411 so that logic isn't really working for me.

Uzi seems to be generally interestin in finding scum which is town. But what's strange to me is that he usually ends up townhunting instead of scumhunting from what I remember, so this is weird.

I don't understand why this wouldn't land him in your null pile.

I like Pine's words.
Echo has some good posts.

Vagary is blah.

Debi is VI and VI is town.

Not always true.

Zach is still a gun to my head read.

That read is still based on something. What?

Kyouko is scum for not having that much content and playing oppertunisticly

We're barely into d1, it's a bit early for such reasoning to actually mean anything at this point.

Dunn had no real content so I thought he was scum and mostly trying to buddy Debi. I still think he's doing that.

See above.

No objections to the bits I didn't respond to.

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I don't understand why this wouldn't land him in your null pile.

He is now actually, you sorta had to lead me in the right direction to get me there
And Debi being VI and VI not always being town is true, but I don't really see how he's really that scummy.
Zach read is still gun to my head. Meaning Gut.

Gut is still based on content. What content from Zach triggered that gut read?

[-Grey-]

Thank you. That's all I wanted.

Nothing to say about my other remarks?

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And Debi being VI and VI not always being town is true, but I don't really see how he's really that scummy.

How have they been townie?

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Lol Uzi, you mean the fact that he ignores the discussion afterwards where Debi admitted to making a mistake reading it? Surely if rb was reading all that, he would have continued to read how there wasn't any basis there.

Yeah he's full of shit.

Yeah that's why I'm a little wary on following him this time around because I'm not understanding where he's coming from with you. He said he skipped 10 pages though so I'm not sure if he just decided to skim and point out what stood out to him.

Your description of rb is just how he is but I've seen first hand him willing to work with people as town shortly after the early stages.

What do you make of him assuming three scum?

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I also had the fact that Echo was annoyed that he missed 7 pages was a townslip. Seemed like genuine frustration to me.

You think scum is incapable of being frustrated?

You think town would be bent over 7 pages, which can be covered in less than ten minutes?

Idk, seems null to me.

[-Grey-]

if rb townreads me your point on him is fine, but honestly I can't tell if he scumreads me or not.

He quite clearly scumreads you. Yet he refuses to vote you even though you're the leading wagon.

If I was the leading wagon and rb was scumreading me but fishing for a wagon elsewhere, what would that tell you about rb?

[-Grey-]

Why don't you just let that question marinate in your cranium for a while?

[-Grey-]

And Yeah no, I'm not buying that shit Pine.
Especially since people haven't posted.

VOTE: Pine

Right.

We're already nearly 20 pages into the game. As the game progresses, ISOing will become a serious issueI pity the fool that has replace in when someone flakes.

To be honest, I'd be happy with lynching everybody that already has over a hundred posts.

Oh wait... that's you!

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Okay i want everyone to stop focussing on alisae right now because if she's scum she's dead. Parse the other slots too, anyone who just uselessly tunnels on alisae rn is getting the murdercock tomorrow

What's the matter rb? Doing damage control to distract everyone from your hardcore distancing and hoping nobody else questions why you are moving heaven and earth to justify not voting your scumread?

We need to lynch Alisae and then rb d2.

Although I'd be happy lynching rb first, too.

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Grey, don't be surprised if you don't make it to Day 3.

If I don't make it to day three, it's because I'm on the right track.

I'm totally fine with that.

[-Grey-]

-Grey- - idk

{Alisae, Wraith, rb, Creature}

I'm happy voting anywhere in there.

We agree on three out of four of my scumreads and the fourth you aren't even townreading anyway.

What do you not know?

[-Grey-]

us agreeing does not make you town, you making posts that are consistent with you being town make you town

i'm not really focusing on your slot at all atm tbh, would you like me to?

I think I've put out plenty of content to read me on by now, and you DID drag me into this game, so... Yeah.

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Before I do, do you think me not having a read on you at the moment is alignment indicative?

I'll answer you after you give me a read.

Don't worry, it'll make sense. I just don't want my answer to influence the read I asked for.

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Grey: Never completed a game with me

So? What does that have to do with anything?

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Debi, there aren't many non-town there. Also, the only possible factions are town, mafia/werewolves and SK.

And aliens.
And cults
And tons of other third-party factions

Not in a normal.

Yeah, I don't know that much about normals, and the only other large I've joined isn't one so I oopsed there.

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Before I do, do you think me not having a read on you at the moment is alignment indicative?

I'll answer you after you give me a read.

Don't worry, it'll make sense. I just don't want my answer to influence the read I asked for.

No. There's simply too much going on to have a handle on everybody and be able to drop reads on command.

If you had regurgitated a read after stating you didn't have one on me, I'd have found it scummy.

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Don't understand the RB push at all, unless Grey buys into the idea that this is either a 19p game with 3 scum (lol) or a multiball game.
I think the latter is likely what Grey expects, and this is why I asked him to explain the push on rb, because it changes my read on his push from "????" to "Ah, ok, kinda townie". Grey isn't an idiot, and he probably has fine reasons for scumreading RB.

The reason I find rb looking for three scum as a potential slip is because it makes complete sense if it's multiball and he's focused on hunting the other team.

If he was town, I don't see why his first impression would be that there is only three scum for him to find in a large game. It doesn't make sense.

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Slips are rarely damning though. I'd much rather confirm multiball before running down RB for that.

Any other reasons why you think multiball is valid, or alternatively why you scumread RB?

The reason I think it's multiball is because there's a lot of speculation about it being multiball before a night phase that actually suggests it's multiball.

Clear as mud?

[-Grey-]

@Grey Yeah, I thought as much. I'm just a little wary that you buy into it so easily.
It being multiball heavily incriminates Ircher, Creature, Wraith and kinda incriminates you and RB.

In fact if it's multiball, Creature and Wraith become even slam-dunkier lynches than they were before.

@Ircher <3

Wait, how does multiball incriminate Ircher?

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I'm just a little wary that you buy into it so easily.

If I was 100% sold on it, I'd be voteparked on rb.

[-Grey-]

~I get the feeling Grey asks some of his questions just to ask them...

Tell me more about my questions.

[-Grey-]

He was the first player to speculate multiball 106.

Technically, Creature was the first to speculate about multiball in post 21 when he "confirmed" singleball.

You can't rule something out without first considering it a possibility.

[-Grey-]

You probed the shit out of Alisae and up to this point I'm not sure what you did with that information. Your vote remains there. That's not to say that whatever answer he gave you should have changed your vote, it's to say that you should have considered something based on new info you received if your questions were genuine. I don't think you considered. I seriously think you went "THOSE WERE THE SCUM RESPONSES I WAS LOOKING FOR!"

If that's what "I went", quote where I said that.

Alisae is in no danger of being lynched. I'll move my vote when I see fit.

[-Grey-]

@__@

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I did a skim of RB's ISO an hour or so ago and definitely agree with Grey that this:

Also I can't decide if RB is town or scum.

On one hand he could be trying to derail the Wraith wagon by attacking two of the people that are on it.
On the other hand, would scum really do a push so bad on both me an Gin?

this bad push is going to have you both lynched on days 1 and 2 respectively

and if you wanna just tell me your other scumbuddy now that's fine too

Legit looks like a scumslip.

That said, I'm rather skeptical this game is multiball. I speculated possible multiball earlier because Debi's absurd hypothetical scenario could only be multiball, and it legit felt like a slip itself. But in hindsight now I definitely think I read way too much into some rather noob-y early hypothesizing.

But I'm skeptical that this would be a multiball game because 19 seems like too small a total for that. I figured multiball games would pretty much

have

to be in the 20+-player range. Then again, this is only my second real large game since returning to playing games after 5 years, so I'm potentially just out of touch here with how game size meta has changed.

So I'm pretty heavily leaning toward joining the RB wagon when I get home and have a chance to get through that re-read.

Uh?

The only way rb slipped is if the game IS multiball, so saying you think it's a slip but also saying you don't believe the game is multiball doesn't add up.

VOTE: Wraith

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Also, I don't understand what you see that's scummy about me. The reason that you said before about my "frustration on the 190218657 act fucking play" everybody else seemed to have taken for a town tell?

Who is this directed at?

[-Grey-]

Grey: Never completed a game with me

So? What does that have to do with anything?

[-Grey-]

Because you don't know me at all.

So? I never claimed to know you.

What's your point?

[-Grey-]

Creature confuses the shit out of me.

[-Grey-]

Scummy is scummy

But scummy != scum.

Your point?

Oh ikay so we don't lynch scummy players in this game we lynch towny ones?

Yeah nice

False dichotomy.

[-Grey-]

Zachstralkita is town.

[-Grey-]

Just kidding.


































Not really.

[-Grey-]

Scummy is scummy

But scummy != scum.

Your point?

Oh ikay so we don't lynch scummy players in this game we lynch towny ones?

Yeah nice

False dichotomy.

So if you don(t lynch scummy players what are you gonna lynch?

Scum.

It's easy to paint actions as scummy, but doesn't mean they come from scum motives.

[-Grey-]

Also why is Grey defending Ircher

He's my scummate, obvs.

[-Grey-]

i like wraith now.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: RB

I can dig it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rb

[-Grey-]

lmao why do you even play mafia, i've legit seen you complain about people's activity in every game you play. go find a new hobby or some shit.

as i've said before: there's no such thing as too much activity. if YOU can't keep up with a fast game, you replace out.

also i can lynch Pine for this contentless post that's nothing but bitching about activity levels.

You're just mad your name is bolded.

[-Grey-]

im not mad, just speaking the truth

Fine, I was projecting.

[-Grey-]

im not mad, just speaking the truth

Fine, I was projecting.

lol u r cute it makes me sad ur scum

NOU!

[-Grey-]

Oh, I forgot -Grey-.

Don't you dare forget me!

[-Grey-]

That is actually just how drealmerz is. I can't really talk about that meta though since that game is still ongoing.

you sure are talking a lot about the thing you can't talk about.

What I mean is I'd go into much more detail about it but can't.

What he means is you have no business bringing it up at all since you know it can't be discussed.

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I didn't intend to promote a wagon, he has a cat in his avatar and we should spare him for now



we have rbs and Pines to lynch

I want to lynch Pine too, don't get me wrong, but why are you against a pressure wagon?

Admitting is a pressure wagon defeats the purpose of having it.

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I did a skim of RB's ISO an hour or so ago and definitely agree with Grey that this:

Also I can't decide if RB is town or scum.

On one hand he could be trying to derail the Wraith wagon by attacking two of the people that are on it.
On the other hand, would scum really do a push so bad on both me an Gin?

this bad push is going to have you both lynched on days 1 and 2 respectively

and if you wanna just tell me your other scumbuddy now that's fine too

Legit looks like a scumslip.

That said, I'm rather skeptical this game is multiball. I speculated possible multiball earlier because Debi's absurd hypothetical scenario could only be multiball, and it legit felt like a slip itself. But in hindsight now I definitely think I read way too much into some rather noob-y early hypothesizing.

But I'm skeptical that this would be a multiball game because 19 seems like too small a total for that. I figured multiball games would pretty much

have

to be in the 20+-player range. Then again, this is only my second real large game since returning to playing games after 5 years, so I'm potentially just out of touch here with how game size meta has changed.

So I'm pretty heavily leaning toward joining the RB wagon when I get home and have a chance to get through that re-read.

Uh?

The only way rb slipped is if the game IS multiball, so saying you think it's a slip but also saying you don't believe the game is multiball doesn't add up.

VOTE: Wraith

I'm going back to this because wtf.

VOTE: Wraith

[-Grey-]

RB, grey, Creature, Dunn, what do you think of Wraith and why?

I really like 1092. Trying to decide whether I want to vote Slick or drealmerz at this point.

[-Grey-]

UNVOTE:

Meh. While I figure it out.

[-Grey-]

Damn, Gamma.

[-Grey-]

Cooorrrrrny.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Slick

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@mod

• That said, do not bring disagreements with me into the thread. That is what the PM is for. The same goes for disagreements with other players.

Are you telling us to PM the player if we disagree with their case?

[-Grey-]

I am seeing a "with me" right after "disagreements", if you can't see, maybe it got cut off?

Keep reading.

[-Grey-]

Oh right. Okay, I'll PM some players.

I'm saying!

[-Grey-]

1155
i also don't understand how anybody could scumread this, but on the other hand perhaps my personal perspective is swaying this one

I think it is. I can see why it looks scummy. Dude is admitting to laying low and looking for a way to go with the flow.

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grey, you've read gin right before.
what do you think of him right now?

I think he's pretty obvious town.

unless you wanna save that for later as a sneaky gambit of course ))))))))))

Or do I?

[-Grey-]

Lol@rb using ad hom to vote someone for ad hom.

[-Grey-]

Lol@rb using ad hom to vote someone for ad hom.

oh hey it's this scumlord again, how r u scumlord??

I'm always awesome. How are you doing, tunnel tiger?

[-Grey-]

Also any questions comments you'd like to make, please ask them in the next 20-30 minutes because after that, I'm going to go hide in a hole until I finish my reads lists with details

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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Also any questions comments you'd like to make, please ask them in the next 20-30 minutes because after that, I'm going to go hide in a hole until I finish my reads lists with details

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

11 meters/sec

Scum response.

Town would have asked, "African swallow or European swallow?"

[-Grey-]

Nah gamma there's really no rush. You get a free pass for today because there's a decent amount of other lynches available

I think it's scummy to be acting like gamma needs to catch up immediately

Why? 50 pages and he's on page 8. Thats ridiculous. Large Normals DO produce on average at least 5 pages every 24 hours.

Gotta agree with this.

It's super easy for scum to hide in "catching up". Check my ISO @ http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=69209 for a prime example.

Gamma & Dunn could be buddies.

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Actually, nah. I got a better idea.
VOTE: -Grey

Where the fuck did you go? You liked dissapeared and shit and I expected you to have gone after someone who you read as scum.
I get a feeling this is not your town game.

I don't really care, tbh.

Too much megaposting, can't follow along when I go to sleep and wake up to five pages of walls.

[-Grey-]

@mod

: Please replace me.

I'm sorry, I just can't get into this game.