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[Tywin Lannister]

Votes like this are exactly why I have said all game that you guys don't know what you're doing. You lynch town, NEVER give reasons for your wagons, NEVER give actual cases against any player you SR, and all of your decisions have been absolutely terrible. Everyone has sheeped each other, but not a single person has objectively read the game and played it well. None of you. All the good town players have been lynched or NK'd.

I'll hammer myself when I'm L1 just to get out of this shit show. Nobody listens to my opinions anyways, because my reads are always counter to your shit wagons, not to mention that I've been railroaded by Titus ALL GAME LONG. Idk why I haven't been NK'd by Alisae (she probably thought I was the Mason for being literally the ONLY player to defend a fucking obvious town yesterday), but since I haven't been NK'd, let the predicted lynch happen quickly.

Again, I pointed out this would happen yesterday. I knew scum would quicklynch me off the shit reads of Titus. I said it yesterday, which is why I wanted Alisae to NK me instead.

Also AJ: have you not read any post I've ever made? Did you just forget everything I said at the end of D2? Is that on purpose? ISO me when you get a chance and see all the players I've called town and scum. Then after the game, see the results and compare them to Titus and others. See who was right here.

Post game, I want you all to rememver how your shit wagons and reads went, then try learning from it. It's not my job to convince you all that your reads are bad, but I've tried time and time again. I will be wagoned for doing so, but I am right. Wagon me for calling players out for not playing the game correctly, but don't blame the eventual loss on me. You sheeped the wrong players and will lose for it. Stop being sheep in future games and learn from this game.

[Tywin Lannister]

Am I L1? Hammering myself. Good luck! I said this all game and nobody listened.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Still enjoying the summer breeze (alive)

Pine

Nero Cain

gerryoat

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic

xSoniaNevermindx

ssbm_Kyouko

Alisae

Tywin Lannister

Elbirn

Titus

UNVOTE:

[ssbm_Kyouko]

not letting this nerd kill himself yet

[Tywin Lannister]

But he should know he doesn't win a fight with you at this point.

I win the fight by being right. Getting me lynched only proves my point. Titus is a bad player this game. She isn't in others, so if she isn't scum, then she had an absolutely terrible showing as town. It's atrocious.

[Tywin Lannister]

VOTE: Tywin

Somebody will hammer. Even if it isn't me. Peace

[Titus]

@Tywin,

Town sucks and is lynching town.
Self fail hammers.
Can you do one reads list that isn't a blatant contradiction?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah he's trying to end discussion don't hammer this yet. Vig the hammer vote if it comes before we get Titus approval

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Still enjoying the summer breeze (alive)

Pine

Nero Cain

gerryoat

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic

xSoniaNevermindx

ssbm_Kyouko

Alisae

Tywin Lannister

Elbirn

Titus

UNVOTE:

so in 3127 I was working on a list for the vigi pool since we're getting so close to lynch. Not gonna let this go through without Nero, Gerry, and Gamma posting first though

Anyways green should be off limits to Alisae, Red preferred shots, No color is fair game. That's my opinion. Titus, thoughts on this list?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also I guess Nero and Gamma already posted gonna go check those out

[Tywin Lannister]

@Tywin,

Town sucks and is lynching town.
Self fail hammers.
Can you do one reads list that isn't a blatant contradiction?

I haven't even had a chance to catch up yet. I posted during my 10 minute break and got a quick wagon for it. You want me to post reads after this? Really?

Fine.

Scummiest to Towniest top-bottom

Gamma
Pine
Sonia
AJ
Nero
Kyouko (I lowered him since people keep claiming he's not a good wagon, I haven't read why though)


For sure Town so no point in putting in above list:
Titus
Elibrin
Alisae

[Titus]

Why is Elbrin lock town?

[Tywin Lannister]

Alisae is vig. I think Mason was Syryana's slot, because he was the only one that wasn't here during Moz's wagon. I was only one to defend moz, so it has to be Syryana.

So add the Syryana replacement to town list.

[Titus]

Still enjoying the summer breeze (alive)

Pine

Nero Cain

gerryoat

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic

xSoniaNevermindx

ssbm_Kyouko

Alisae

Tywin Lannister

Elbirn

Titus

UNVOTE:

so in 3127 I was working on a list for the vigi pool since we're getting so close to lynch. Not gonna let this go through without Nero, Gerry, and Gamma posting first though

Anyways green should be off limits to Alisae, Red preferred shots, No color is fair game. That's my opinion. Titus, thoughts on this list?

Why are you TRing Elbrin

[Tywin Lannister]

Why is Elbrin lock town?

General gut read. He was my most town player D2 and j figured he'd be NK'd for it. Cabd was a surprising NK because it confirms you. Either scum made a bad move there or theres some loophole with gunsmith not finding a gun on you that allows for you to still be scum.

So yeah, Cabd NK was stupid on scum's part IMO. Can Elibrin be scum? Sure. If he is, he oculus let wouldn't NK himself. Cabd makes more sense then.

[Elbirn]

Tywin has me as lock town to implicate me when he flips scum. He's also distancing from kyouko.

*munches popcorn*

[Titus]

Why is Elbrin lock town?

General gut read. He was my most town player D2 and j figured he'd be NK'd for it. Cabd was a surprising NK because it confirms you. Either scum made a bad move there or theres some loophole with gunsmith not finding a gun on you that allows for you to still be scum.

So yeah, Cabd NK was stupid on scum's part IMO. Can Elibrin be scum? Sure. If he is, he oculus let wouldn't NK himself. Cabd makes more sense then.

And the two wagons were Lapsa v Elbrin, with almost evety slot voting?

[Tywin Lannister]

Why is Elbrin lock town?

General gut read. He was my most town player D2 and j figured he'd be NK'd for it. Cabd was a surprising NK because it confirms you. Either scum made a bad move there or theres some loophole with gunsmith not finding a gun on you that allows for you to still be scum.

So yeah, Cabd NK was stupid on scum's part IMO. Can Elibrin be scum? Sure. If he is, he oculus let wouldn't NK himself. Cabd makes more sense then.

And the two wagons were Lapsa v Elbrin, with almost evety slot voting?

I remember voting Nos D1, but at the end, the mod had me still down voting for you. I thought it was a mod error, but it didn't matter IMO since Lapsa was lynched. I could be remembering it wrong, but I'm pretty sure that my vote was actually on Nos unless I changed it. I haven't gone back to check though. I did assume it was a mod error with the vote though, especially when Syryana/Sonia/etc said I voted you during D1 twilight.

[Tywin Lannister]

Anyway, Elibrin may be scum but I don't have him there. He's been too counter the usual sheep votes. He hasn't played the game safe like normal scum would. He's voted opposite of the usual suspects many times IMO. He even defended me before. Due to that, I still think he's town, but it's whatever.

[Elbirn]

Anyway, Elibrin may be scum but I don't have him there. He's been too counter the usual sheep votes. He hasn't played the game safe like normal scum would. He's voted opposite of the usual suspects many times IMO. He even defended me before. Due to that, I still think he's town, but it's whatever.

^ scum defending town for brownie points ^

[Titus]

Elbrin, I would like a whole readslust from you.

SSM, I hear you.

[Alisae]

Do I have to hammer Tywin, yes or no?

[Elbirn]

Elbrin, I would like a whole readslust from you.

How about a reads *list* instead?
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Town

Pine

Transcend Syryana

gerryoat
Alisae
Titus

Scum

Nero Cain
Tywin Lannister
Ssbm_Kyouko**

Uhhhh

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic
xSoniaNevermindx

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So here's where I'm at, I'm done with Tywin's shit and the last bit of doubt in my heart was my belief that he was the mason partner. With that denied, he's a scum shit for sure.

Nero I'm probably being an over reactive baby towards but his vote thing yesterday pissed me off and he's done fuckall this game

Now Kyouko is kinda like "whaa" but look listen, what do we have for townready evidence? He openly speculated about masons? That sounded great when pine said it but now I'm kinda like...okay? Scum wants speculation about PR's to try to out them. We've got cloud hinting traitor towards kyouko, Kyouko hard townreading nos on *nothing*, scum-tywin mad distancing from him. Kyouko pointing out nos' fake doctor crumbs after his flip was like "look at what my scumbuddy did wow give me towncred" and it rubs me the wrong way.

I've kinda been sitting on this but yeah I don't trust Kyouko anymore and I want him tomorrow


Then my uhh list is like uhhh. Gamma and sonia I feel nothing for. I feel like sonia was town before for some reason but I don't remember why. Gamma is gamma enjoy. There's like nothing there. Aj I had as scummy for a few reasons but he's less so than those other 3 and at some point I started thinking of him less as scum and more as another collaborative voice.

[Elbirn]

Do I have to hammer Tywin, yes or no?

No.

UNVOTE: to prevent stupid shit from happening.

We hammer after we've all gotten time to discuss.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Still enjoying the summer breeze (alive)

Pine

Nero Cain

gerryoat

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic

xSoniaNevermindx

ssbm_Kyouko

Alisae

Tywin Lannister

Elbirn

Titus

UNVOTE:

so in 3127 I was working on a list for the vigi pool since we're getting so close to lynch. Not gonna let this go through without Nero, Gerry, and Gamma posting first though

Anyways green should be off limits to Alisae, Red preferred shots, No color is fair game. That's my opinion. Titus, thoughts on this list?

Why are you TRing Elbrin

well green is just people that I thought you would say shouldn't be shot, was trying to get something out for Alisae before hammer. If I were in charge of the list it would be limited to [Sonia, Aj, Nero, Gamma], with Sonia/Aj as preferred shots. Elbirn isn't a strong TR, just one of my leans from general feeling about his posts combined with other players looking either more scummy or less towny than him. Got you and Alisae as my lock towns now that Cabd flipped. Sure scum doctor is possible technically, but if that were the case I don't think Nos would have died last night considering this post:

None here.

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people
Tywin
Kyouko
Cabd

Yeah no on kyko or cabd

Nero nos tywin

Like if you were scum doctor you wouldn't put more than 1 of your team on the vig platter and if you did put 1 up there you would just doc on them. Since you're still pushing Tywin/Nero today after seeing Nos flip scum, and would probably still have Nero in tonight's vigpool, I'd say the chances of you being scumdoctor are slim to none, and even smaller if Tywin or Nero flip scum.