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[Alisae]

Do I have to hammer Tywin, yes or no?

No.

UNVOTE: to prevent stupid shit from happening.

We hammer after we've all gotten time to discuss.

Thought so. Whoever would have said yes and if Tywin flipped town would have got rekt.

[Alisae]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

-long rant without punctuation-

Unreadable fyi, so if this is important, know I didn't read it.

-long rant without punctuation-

Unreadable fyi, so if this is important, know I didn't read it.

mhm it was more me pissy answering it all in 1 giant rant post without thinking

Is it just me or does this look like an underreaction from Sonia? I feel like she gets mad easily and was just looking through Nos and Cloud again for hints at partners and this sticks out a little. Seems like she might have been more civil with Nos because they're aligned.

[Pine]

Alisae, what's your vig letter to Santa?

[Alisae]

Alisae, what's your vig letter to Santa?

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people:
Nero
Kyouko
Gamma

[Tywin Lannister]

Anyway, Elibrin may be scum but I don't have him there. He's been too counter the usual sheep votes. He hasn't played the game safe like normal scum would. He's voted opposite of the usual suspects many times IMO. He even defended me before. Due to that, I still think he's town, but it's whatever.

^ scum defending town for brownie points ^

Can you actually play the game like you're SUPPOSED to and give reasons for calling people scum? Give a damn case already.

You've hammered town twice now, and are voting me today without a given reason. Maybe I should call you scum. Either that or you're just really bad town. Again, play the damn game the right way, or don't play the game at all.

There really is no excuse for any town player to be playing the way you all have this entire game. This isn't how you are supposed to play mafia, and it certainly isn't how you WIN when town. All votes need reasons. All wagons need cases. You don't just sheep votes and basically RVS wagon anyone not named you and call that anything but absolute shit play. Scum can play that way, because it inherently is a different game and mindset for them. They love not having to give cases or reasons for wagons. The issue is that all of you can't be scum, so town players are doing this shit too. That's the most frustrating thing in this game. It's happened all fucking game, and it isn't the right way to play. This isn't Mafia the way you're all playing as town. It's RVS YOLO fuck it mode, and it's fucking trash. It really is. That's why I hammered myself. The play of town this game has been so terrible that I've lost respect for mafiascum as a site due to it. It's that bad.

I learned Mafia over a decade ago playing on mafiascum. All of those old players are no longer around for the most part, but players like Titus should know that this isn't how the game should be played. Sheeping essentially RVS wagons for three straight days is fucking trash play, and all of you are guilty of it. The only ones who get a pass are scum for taking advantage of it, but if I was scum, I'd feel like a scum win in this game was cheapened by the terrible play of town.

I know most of you wont listen and most don't care, but you need to relearn the basic fundamentals of the game in my opinion. When a brand new player like Alisae outclasses you all in every way, there's a problem. I'm 100% serious here and not talking about this game as a player anymore, but as an observer. This style of play you guys have used is not good. It cheapens the game into being just a crap shoot without any information ever gained. How would any of you ever win in an all-VT game? Did none of you ever play newbie games to learn how to legitimately give reads, scum hunt, ask questions, analyze cases, GIVE cases, etc? Seriously, this game has been depressing as fuck for me to witness and be apart of. Nobody has been held accountable for their votes or actions, and that's why I believe town will lose. Scum haven't had to sweat it out or even try, and that's not how you win as town.

[Tywin Lannister]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

I like you a lot more for this, plus your shot on Nos. I won't even blame you for hammering me or the other two townies. You can't change the game as a voter. Not with this town play.

What I can say is that keep this mindset and go your own way. Don't follow what these people tell you all the time, because they legitimately don't know how to play any better than you do. If it comes down to Lylo, don't sheep their votes. Think for yourself and go from there. You're a much stronger player than you've given yourself credit for, and legitimately the only reason town hasn't lost yet. Don't forget that.

Also, Kyouko is scum. Idk why anyone said he's not a lynch target, but whoever did is probably scum too. Kyouko has been scummy af all game long, and there's legitimately no reason for anyone to TR him.

[Alisae]

I play this game with a Wii Remote. Git Gud.

[Alisae]

What I can say is that keep this mindset and go your own way. Don't follow what these people tell you all the time, because they legitimately don't know how to play any better than you do. If it comes down to Lylo, don't sheep their votes. Think for yourself and go from there. You're a much stronger player than you've given yourself credit for, and legitimately the only reason town hasn't lost yet. Don't forget that.

The fact that we also got 2 maf down is also kinda cool and sorta what is making town win ya know...

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

Wowee, I spotted some crumbs, it's almost like I'm paying attention to what I'm reading

[Tywin Lannister]

Alisae, what's your vig letter to Santa?

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people:
Nero
Kyouko
Gamma

I approve of this. Wait til I flip, or don't take my opinion at all, but regardless, I agree with this list. Preferably Kyouko or gamma over Nero. I don't see much wrong with Nero compared to the others, and the fact that he was brought up by so many makes me suspicious regardless. With the reads 'town' has had all game, I think the opposite is always going to be the truth. Whoever is scum in 'towns' mind is actually town, and whoever is town in their mind is scum. That's my opinion.

[Tywin Lannister]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

Wowee, I spotted some crumbs, it's almost like I'm paying attention to what I'm reading

Only scum seem to be doing that this game, so it doesn't help your case much.

[Alisae]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

Wowee, I spotted some crumbs, it's almost like I'm paying attention to what I'm reading

I KNOW RIGHT!
LOOK
AT
ME
I'M
SO
TOWN

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

Wowee, I spotted some crumbs, it's almost like I'm paying attention to what I'm reading

Only scum seem to be doing that this game, so it doesn't help your case much.

Just because you think town is playing poorly doesn't make it so. So far we're 1 for 4 on hitting scum, and scum has made mistakes too by shooting cloud. We're really not doing badly imo, especially if Titus lives

[Tywin Lannister]

We're both the the clearest town players here, along with Elbirn,

Srsly did I get day-copped while I wasn't looking?

Moz did you not have me as scum earlier? Explain.

Mozamis and Tywin have nigh identical reads. It's kinda awkward but I'm not sure what to make of it.

Mozamis and Tywin have fucking identical reads. They both were convinced each other was town.

Aj, you've pointed this out multiple times now, but what's the point? After my flip, do you honestly believe anyone will care what reads dead townies have had? They haven't for three days now. I don't see it changing on day 4.

That being said, at least you're paying attention. I think you've moved up in my TR list. I wasn't sold on you yesterday when I voted you, but I was far more sure of Mozamis being town due to his play. I honestly have no idea how or why he was lynched. I never once saw a case on him.

Can anyone explain why Mozamis was lynched? Did anyone have a case? Elibrin switched to him without giving a reason (same as he is doing for me now and did for Lapsa as well). That doesn't look good for him. Gamma never gives reasons or cases. Nero had hammer intent without even asking Mozamis a single question.

Honestly? AJ was the only one I saw who even questioned things. Nero also said he didn't think Moz was scum, but voted him due to Moz voting elsewhere when he scum read AJ. It at least was A reason.

My lynch has quick votes without reasons as well. The only player that legitimately gave a reason to vote me has been Titus, and the reason, while not being a good one, still is legitimate. She scum read me all game, and due to our constant fighting this game, she WANTS me to be scum. Her judgement is clouded due to it, but at least it's understandable for her to wagon me.

Everyone else though? Not a single one of you has given a reason or a case to wagon me. That should concern town, and the confirmed townies need to grill players like Elibrin and Gamma for their wagoning without cases or reasons. Once I flip, you'll have nobody left to easily quicklynch, so I sure as fuck hope town starts doing actual scum hunting once they flip a third townie in a row. Again, ANYONE that wagons someone so fast and doesn't give reasons should be called suspected scum.

[Titus]

Tywin, don't try to BoP me.

If this thread was queen Titus, I would give everyone gags. Mass votes and pop back 2-3 days later.

[Tywin Lannister]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

Wowee, I spotted some crumbs, it's almost like I'm paying attention to what I'm reading

Only scum seem to be doing that this game, so it doesn't help your case much.

Just because you think town is playing poorly doesn't make it so. So far we're 1 for 4 on hitting scum, and scum has made mistakes too by shooting cloud. We're really not doing badly imo, especially if Titus lives

No, there's no 'we' there. Don't take credit for things you had no part in.
ALISAE is 1 for 4. Absolutely nobody else is.

[Alisae]

Tywin to be fair, I don't remember Lapsa having any reads.
Uzi maybe...

I remember that I voted Moz because I never liked how they responded to the wagon...OH WAIT Tywin you're right, they legit couldn't.

[Titus]

Ok, tywin is going to make this unreadable.

I endorse the vig pool but not opposed to Elbrin either. For the VCA.

[Alisae]

Also, can we lynch this:
VOTE: SSBM_Kyouko

Also for a moment I thought Kyouko said he thought he knew Nos' alignment
Also I really like how he was nulltown reading Nos most of day 1. I thought it was cute.
Akarin didn't die for this shit.

[Titus]

No. Tywin making the game unreadable means he dies.

[Alisae]

I would really like to lynch scum for once before I die.

[Alisae]

Either way, I'm conflicted about Tywin. I'm not sure on him atm. I'm much more sure on Kyouko.

[Elbirn]

Anyway, Elibrin may be scum but I don't have him there. He's been too counter the usual sheep votes. He hasn't played the game safe like normal scum would. He's voted opposite of the usual suspects many times IMO. He even defended me before. Due to that, I still think he's town, but it's whatever.

^ scum defending town for brownie points ^

Can you actually play the game like you're SUPPOSED to and give reasons for calling people scum? Give a damn case already.

Hey brainchild? When I quote a post and call someone scum I expect you to be able to connect the dots. Hell, here I even *did* give a reason by noting what you were doing.

I could dumb it down for you if it's too hard, say something about how "blablabla tywin sounds like he's searching for reasons to townread me", or how you've been hard townreading me the entire game without really wavering on it, some something scum townreading town for cred later I do it all the time something something

And my voting you post could have consisted of an unnecessary explanation of why your posts were bad enough to be vote worthy (the first ones tone was fake as hell + you pretended not to know cabd was dead; the second one was you not-claiming mason which was all you had left in my mind, and losing that meant nothing to townread you on)

It's really interesting that NOW, when I'm calling you scum, NOW you have a Magik brand new scumread on me. Wew lad well done *claps*

[Elbirn]

Ok, tywin is going to make this unreadable.

I endorse the vig pool but not opposed to Elbrin either. For the VCA.

Titus show the world your vca or eat poop