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[gerryoat]

Okay someone fill me in why we are all quick voting tywin

[Alisae]

Gerry if you didn't know, hi, I'm your friendly vig.
Syr was like "I'm gonna vig you" as a joke and I claimed cuz panic.

[gerryoat]

also if someone could give me a list of claims that would be grand

[gerryoat]

hi friendly vig nice shot, i think?

[Aj The Epic]

Well, of the alive, you -> Mason, Alisae -> Vig, Titus -> Conftown (Cabd)

That's the claims I think.

[Alisae]

hi friendly vig nice shot, i think?

Glad chu liked it.

[gerryoat]

cool. i say you shoot again tonight alisae

[gerryoat]

why did everyone quick vote tywin

[Alisae]

cool. i say you shoot again tonight alisae

I don't have any restrictions so I don't see why not

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Why in the fuck is Tywin still cluttering this thread?

Doublevote Tywin

Kbai.

So I was TRing pine but if this is hammer consider that rescinded

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Tywin also claimed VT I think

[Pine]

why did everyone quick vote tywin

Tywin has been very scummy all on his own. Just today I've seen some of the more elaborate AtEs I've seen on this site from him and some pretty hardcore misrep. Much more important, however, and what led us to this point, is analysis of Cliudkicker's reads and actions. Cloudkicker flipped Traitor, and mod confirmed that he knew the scum team. We've been mining that for reads since his flip. Tywin stands out in CK's ISO because CK defended him pretty hardcore. Not to the degree that you'd normally see from scum looking for Towncred after a flip - the objective there is to defend the Townie, but ultimately fail to save them. CK absolutely went to the map to save Tywin, completely derailing the wagon on him in favor of a Townie. Dat scum bro.

I'm not actually in a big rush to end the day, but lynching Tywinscum is so blatant and obvious a move that it's frustrating that the wagons on him never seem to deliver.

Alisae is probably SK, but we're letting her live for now because she's shooting scum and is partially leashed. Check my ISO for more detailed analysis of Cloudkicker's ISO and a comprehensive Townbloc.

PEdit: It's not a real double vote. Just bored and frustrated.

[Alisae]

Why in the fuck is Tywin still cluttering this thread?

Doublevote Tywin

Kbai.

So I was TRing pine but if this is hammer consider that rescinded

You already fucked up when you said you were TRing Pine and then saying "Scum want the vig to shoot on their own free will"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay someone fill me in why we are all quick voting tywin

Basically Tywin and Titus got into a big fight D1 where they both accused each other of lying. Tywin came close to lynch and started to get frustrated and some people called it town frustration. One of those people was Cloudkicker who repeatedly defended Tywin calling him and Titus TvT. That night, scum shot CK and Alisae shot LUV. CK flipped Mafia Loved Traitor, so scum shot their own traitor. LUV was a Vanilla Cop but was a reasonable shot to have made. D2 when we saw the CK flip Tywin got brought up again because CK had been defending him so much. I'm under suspicion because people think CK was trying to signal to me that he was the traitor, and because I was defending Nosferatu (flipped Mafia Motion Detector, shot by Alisae N2), but I thought Nosferatu was crumbing doctor. We ended up lynching Moz yesterday in a pretty fast wagon, my reason for voting her was she was being inconsistent about which lurkers she wanted to lynch (she was avoiding pointing Pine out as a lurker, when he was lurking just as much as the others she was calling out) so I suspected Pine was her scumbuddy.

@Alisae - please explain what you mean by that, I don't understand the point you're trying to get across. Well, I understand you think I'm scum, I just don't see how you got from A to B there.

[Alisae]

Alisae is probably SK, but we're letting her live for now because she's shooting scum and is partially leashed

Nos tried to push me d2 as SK.
He got shot.
He was scum.

[Alisae]

@Alisae - please explain what you mean by that, I don't understand the point you're trying to get across. Well, I understand you think I'm scum, I just don't see how you got from A to B there.

Regarding Vig/SK leashing - Unless there is evidence to suggest otherwise, Alisae is either SK or Vig. IMO, neither leashing nor killing the SK/Vig out of hand is pro-Town. SK/Vig is arguably the biggest threat to the scumteam, until late game. She shouldn't make it to endgame, but neither do we end her shots. That said, leashing SK/Vig does not work in my experience. Yes, it essentially gives us two lynches, but it also allows scum to influence a second NK. Vig/SK, regardless of their own alignment, is anti-scum, and will shoot for their scum suspects. In short, fire away, Alisae. Know that your choices will be judged, and if you start shooting obvTown, you'll get lynched right away.

scumteam are likely to kill gerry/titus tonight imo. Gerry because mason and Titus because she's the one guiding your shots. They would rather you be shooting for yourself because frankly Titus has better judgment than you and they need you to kill town to swing the game back in their favor

Still enjoying the summer breeze (alive)

Pine

Nero Cain

gerryoat

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic

xSoniaNevermindx

ssbm_Kyouko

Alisae

Tywin Lannister

Elbirn

Titus

UNVOTE:

OMGAWD IS THIS A TR ON PINE AND TITUS?

Understand what I am saying now?

[Pine]

...Are you actually trying to intimidate me, Alisae? I mean, you practically just said "Dat's a pretty swell Town youse gots dere. Be a shame if somefing were ta happen to it."

[Pine]

Don't get me wrong, it's kind of adorable, just horribly ineffective.

[Alisae]

Well, I do think your scum along with Kyouko. You two both being scum actually kinda makes sense to me.

And I wasn't trying to intimidate you. Because if I was, that was a shitty attempt at doing so as you just pointed out

[Alisae]

Plus, I'm not intimidating...Unless your scum. Then fear me.
Hear me Rawr.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So is it:

>Nos thought Alisae was SK
>Nos flipped scum
>Pine thinks Alisae is SK
>Pine will flip scum
>Kyouko doesn't want Pine vigged
>Kyouko is scum

Trying to follow here

pedit: No, I don't udnerstand what you're saying, and I don't think you understand what I'm saying either.
My stance:

>Titus has better judgment than you
>You have been hitting scum by shooting within Titus and Cabd's allowed shots
>Scum needs you to shoot town players for the game to swing back in their favor, so scum will try to kill Titus tonight in order to take the leash off of you, rather than killing you outright. If you die it will be 2-3 scum vs 7-8 town. If you live and Titus dies you will be free to choose your shots for yourself, and you might misjudge and shoot town.
>This will make the game easier for scum to win, which is why scum will probably not kill you.

[Pine]

Yeah okay, Alisae is basically saying that she's going to shoot anyone who is cautious about whether she's an SK or Vig. That means she ain't leashed at all. She'll go through the Town as she wants, until she gets rid of anyone who's a threat...to her.

We can lynch Tywin whenever we want. I'd like to shake this tree while we still have people with brains to do the shaking.

VOTE: Alisae

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oh nah
Alisae is not getting lynched
you barking up the wrong tree
VOTE: Pine

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Alisae and Titus and Gerry are off limits

[Aj The Epic]

How to ruin a townread: Pine edition.