Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[Titus]

Pine, I am not lynching Alisae if she shoots scum the night before. You would be wise to adopt this.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Pine
OMGUS You're so cute
You're vote is so "Justified" that it's bullshit!
You wanna know who is a threat to me? Scum. Like you.
BTW you lined up lynches.

Kyouko there was a post where you said that you thought Pine was defending you. Which I also thought was interesting.
Your recent vote on Pine is interesting.

Nos tried to push me hard as SK. Thats what gave him away.
Pine thought I was SK but he never pushed it until now, so this is cute.
And you're scum because you basicly say that scum want me to have free will, when you TR Pine and Pine said that exact samething.

[Alisae]

Titus has better judgement then me? Eh, probably, not argueing with you on that. But it's a matter of do I trust her as town or not. Recently I felt shakey about it because I thought Titus was making me shoot all town.
True on the 2nd point.
key word in the 3rd point is might.
Overall this whole point is a slippery slope.

[Aj The Epic]

Remember if you give a vig/Sk an exact "kill this person" kinda deal, it becomes that much easier for scum to play around. Until Alisae fails at doing his job correctly, there's no reason to bother with it.

[Alisae]

Also Pine I get the distinct feeling that you're attempted to try to plant some paranoia in the town.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oh I see what happened I think, just a sec:

Not lynching Titus, Alisae, Nosferatu, or Cabd today. Might not lynch Sonia depending on how Titus answers, but I don't think she has an answer to convince me of Sonia's towniness. Gamma and Aj I'm starting to like for town after reading yesterday's posts without confbias glasses on Aj, and seeing how Gamma reacted to the people cliaming Tywin was town. His progression from scum!Tywin to town!Tywin read looked like mine and I'm town so I think he was also swayed by the opinions of his TRs.

That leaves Nero, Mozamis, Pine, Elbirn (I totally forgot to mention Elbirn was one of the people TRing Tywin in my last post), Syryana, and Tywin. Looking at the lynch wagon and the RVS wagon side by side, (blue being town fmpov, red/green being confirmed):

Lapsa Wagons

Lapsa

5 (Pine,

Gamma Emerald

,

Titus

,

Alisae

, Elbirn)

Lapsa

9 (Pine,

CloudKicker

,

Titus

,

Gamma Emerald

,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Cabd

, Syryana,

Alisae

)

• Nero - He may be scum that saw that Lapsa reached a 5-person wagon comprised entirely of town and decided that would be an easy excuse to FoS town all day and not have to look at his partners. The same could be said of me for a while but I eventually started looking outside of this wagon when nothing was really adding up. He didn't. scum!Nero flip would be extremely telling of the first wagon's alignment imo.
  
• Mozamis - I don't recall her stance on Lapsa. She spent a lot of the day catching up but the things she did say, like I said earlier, pinged me more on how starkly contrasting they were to my own views than how scummy they seemed. I'll have to reread/question her to come to something conclusive there.
  
• Pine - His vote was only ever on Lapsa yesterday I think (after a page 1 Cabd vote) because he was gone almost all day and that was where he set his vote when Lapsa started attacking Cabd's joke mason claim. Today he's seemed towny enough but we'll see how that progresses. Yesterday's lurk could have been scum that saw that he was the first vote on what looked to him like an all town L-2 wagon on another town (scum!Pine wouldn't have known Cloud was scum), and decided instead of wallposting his catchup like he promised, that he would just let us mislynch Lapsa.
  
• Elbirn - He was never really pointed at by Cloud yesterday so I hesitate to say he's the scum on the Lapsa RVS wagon. He did later TR Tywin though, but his vote was on Nosferatu at the end of the day with Sonia's. Can't really fault him for having a different read on Nos than me but I've been suspicious of the players that pushed Nos rather than Pine. If Pine were scum it would explain that trend I think.
  
• Syryana - Looking at Cloud's first post in thread and the way cloud tried to lead Transcend into defending Tywin I think he would make sense as scum with Tywin. I got town feels from Transcend though so I'm not really set on scumreading this. He's the only vote on the final Lapsa wagon that looks scum to me though so I've got my eye on him.
  
• Tywin - It's still hard to say if his emotional posting was frustrated town or frustrated scum. It's hard for me to let go of pushing this scumread but I'm willing to put it on the back burner knowing he might get vigged tonight. The fact remains he was misrepping Titus and refused to acknowledge it when his misreps were quoted though. If we can't come to a good decision by deadline this is the best lynch imo.

Summary:
Town: Titus, Alisae*, Cabd
Townlean: Gamma, Aj, Nosferatus

------Lynch Line------

Nullscum: Nero, Mozamis, Elbirn, Pine
Scumlean:Sonia**, Syryana,
Scum: Tywin

*Could still be SK, but less likely now than yesterday
**Could rise depending on how Titus justifies not lynching her

[Elbirn, Pine, Mozamis, Syryana] would be a nice scumpool if Titus can convince me Sonia is town. That pool would work with town!Nero also, considering Elbirn being on the RVS wagon but missing from the final wagon.

Edited formatting

@Mod, please spoiler my above post if you get a chance

Pretty sure this is my last reads list. Don't think I put Pine at town after this, but I may have started to TR him yesterday based on preflip association with Mozamis who I was thinking was scum, combined with him being one of the few players to look at the case on me from a reasonable perspective. It's possible he was WKing me but I'm not going to stand for him voting conftown. The green names in my last post were players that I thought that Titus would not want you to shoot tonight in case Tywin quickly self-hammered before she had a chance to direct your shots. I even unvoted to prevent that self-hammer so that Titus would have time to direct your shots tonight. Go back and read over my talk with Titus surrounding the post with the green and red names, that wasn't a reads list

[Alisae]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OKAY.
Yeah, I still don't like that, you could have manipulated it a bit so that scum was hidden.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Speaking of those Lapsa wagons in my last reads list, let's update them withe new flips and conftowns:

Lapsa Wagons

Lapsa

5 (Pine, Gamma Emerald,

Titus

,

Alisae

, Elbirn)

Lapsa

9 (Pine,

CloudKicker

,

Titus

, Gamma Emerald,

Lil Uzi Vert

, ssbm_Kyouko,

Cabd

,

gerryoat

,

Alisae

)

Pine and Gamma were on both wagons, RVS and the lynch wagon. I lynched Lapsa as well so I'm fair game for vig shots. Should lynch within [me, Gamma, Pine, Tywin today] and shoot from within the other 3.

[Titus]

Pine votes are terribad. You should be ashamed.

Pine can question a vig's leash without being scum.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well hmm, I guess Lapsa claiming traitor might have turned scum off that wagon and knowing the last 5 on that lynch were town complicates it a bit for me. You guys don't know I'm town though so

[Alisae]

Titus it's not just that tho. In fact I don't even care about that.
All this SK shit is just making me think that it's just scum trying to plant paranoia in the town.
And I feel like he's done even before D3.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Can Pine vote confirmed town/SK at this stage of the game without being scum? I think we've been over how an Alisae lynch is bad for town

[Titus]

Yes. Pine is town. Scum would not be that dumb.

[Alisae]

Titus then why would town say this?

I won't do anything stupid Pine.
Tho should I keep my potential targets to myself or share them?

Keep them to yourself. If scum have a roleblocker, they'll let you shoot if you're aiming for Town until you're aiming for scum, then roleblock you.

[Alisae]

Yes. Pine is town. Scum would not be that dumb.

I Can WIFOM this all fucking day.

[Titus]

Titus then why would town say this?

I won't do anything stupid Pine.
Tho should I keep my potential targets to myself or share them?

Keep them to yourself. If scum have a roleblocker, they'll let you shoot if you're aiming for Town until you're aiming for scum, then roleblock you.

Because he wants you to shoot whomever to determine alignment.

When you turn on him, he knows you might want to keep the sides even.

Of course, you are both overreacting.

[Titus]

Yes. Pine is town. Scum would not be that dumb.

I Can WIFOM this all fucking day.

You can but it's a waste of time. Pine is not on the vig list. You shoot him, he flips town, I will lynch you.

[Alisae]

This shit is also weird between both Kyouko and Pine.

I've had Kyouko pinned as scum since yesterday. I don't see this town motivation everyone else is talking about from that slot, it all looks calculated at best.

I don't think "everyone else" (whoever that means) is even saying I have town motivation. I do, of course, but I don't think anyone has really been rushing to my defense (especially D1) except Pine now. Even Titus was on me earlier I think and I feel like she was one of the few to TR me D1. What about my play looks calculated to you?

Let's be clear, guy, I am not defending you. I don't have a Townread on you. I just don't have a scumread on you, and don't grok the cases of the people voting you. There's a world of difference between them.

If a good case appears, I'm entirely fine adding you to the scumpile. It's super easy in a game where this many Townreads, as the ratio of scum to Town in my nullpile is a lot higher than normal. The simple fact that a lot of people are SRing you, even if they don't really know why, isn't sunshine and daisies for you. Persons are smart, people as a whole are stupid, but small groups can sometimes have good instincts.

Essentially the same speech could be given for Nosferatu. Can someone give me a case on him that doesn't use the word "lurk" or any conjugation thereof?

[Titus]

What is your point?

[Alisae]

Kyouko tries to get Pine to buddy him.
Pine distances himself away from Kyouko.

[Nero Cain]

Oh noes! I didn't post within the opening hours of the thread opening so I am clearly lurking.

INB4 Ali/Titus instantly asks me questions about the game day.

[Alisae]

Okay Nero. I won't ask you a question. Imput now.

[Alisae]

or are you reading. If you're reading continue to do so.

[Nero Cain]

once I've read sure

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Lapsa RVS Wagon VC

Lapsa

5 (Pine, Gamma Emerald,

Titus

,

Alisae

, Elbirn)

D1 Final VC

Lapsa

9 (Pine,

CloudKicker

,

Titus

, Gamma Emerald,

Lil Uzi Vert

, ssbm_Kyouko,

Cabd

,

gerryoat

,

Alisae

)

Nosferatu

3 (Elbirn, xSoniaNevermindx,

Lapsa

)

Titus

3 (Nero Cain,

mozamis

, Tywin Lannister)

Alisae

1 (Aj The Epic)

CloudKicker

1 (

Nosferatu

)

Lots of town lynched town D1

D2 Final VC

mozamis

8 (

Titus

, ssbm_Kyouko, Pine, Gamma Emerald,

Alisae

, Aj The Epic, Nero Cain, Elbirn)
Aj The Epic 2 (

Cabd

, Tywin Lannister)
Tywin Lannister 2 (xSoniaNevermindx,

mozamis

)

Alisae

1 (

Nosferatu

)
Not Voting: (

Syryana

)

Lots of town not voting mozamis D2

Conclusion: Scum avoided Lapsa wagon because they thought he was traitor. Scum voted mozamis knowing he was town (duh). Players on mozamis but not on Lapsa are more suspicious. [Aj, Nero, Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
Okay mom but I don't like people voting conftown