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[Tywin Lannister]

Alisae, I think you're going to be the next NK tonight. I don't see how scum leave you after you took out nos. That shot confirmed you aren't scum, and the best they can do now is discredit you as the SK, which I don't believe is the case anymore. If there's a doctor, then I hope they protect you, but I'm not confident in there being one. If so, they've probably protected Titus all game. I just don't really think there is one though. So I think you have one shot left. Unless there's a Mafia doc, i assume you'll hit. A roleblocker would've probably been on you already if they had one.

We will see what happens, but I'm definitely okay with a pine vote. I don't know if anyone else will join though. Obv town have called pine 'bad town' instead of possible scum too many times for me to have a lot of confidence in a wagon there, but I'll join it when I get home from work.

[Tywin Lannister]

Sonia, tell me why I should townread you.

She voted nos and hasn't been on any town lynches. That seems pretty obv town to me, but I'll let her speak.

[Alisae]

Tywin so what if no one joins?

And no shit I'm going to be the NK, especially because I'm trying to be townleader now.

[Alisae]

Me being NK'd also kinda confirms my scumreads being Pine, Kyouko, and Gamma.
I just hope you can do the rest. I'm not gonna die without taking 2-3 scum with me.

[Tywin Lannister]

Me being NK'd also kinda confirms my scumreads being Pine, Kyouko, and Gamma.
I just hope you can do the rest. I'm not gonna die without taking 2-3 scum with me.

Haha, I'm pretty positive I'll be mislynched before those three, so I don't think it's up to me. All town sees me as scummy at best, confirmed scum at worst. I think someone like Sonia will need to take the lead later. Titus may come around after I flip town, so there's that too.

[Alisae]

Your avatar even screams scum! Therefore you must be scum!

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Will get to you about Sonia when I get home Nero, but Tywin you should iso me, I know I haven't interacted much with gamma but I SRed mozamis on the basis she was preferentially treating Pine for lurking compared to other lurkers. I was thinking scum!Moz meant scum!Pine but I was wrong there

[Gamma Emerald]

How can't I argue that you're shit town and that I've not been on town wagons? They don't correlate, and the second is a fact. The first is just an opinion, but one that's been proven correct so far this game. I'd say you were scum if Cabd didn't investigate you. I didn't see his flip before, so I suppose that clears you. Due to that, it means you're shit town instead of scum.

Also, I told you all moz was town, but I'm not the Mason. Why didn't his Mason buddy defend him? Can anyone explain that to me? How idiotic is that? Wtf? Mason was the last thing I'd think moz would flip based on how many of you were on his wagon, without anyone actually defending him. That's just ridiculous.

I'll catch up when I get home and reevaluate, since I just read Kyouko isn't the lynch for some reason. I'll find out why later. He did defend Nos and claim he was town though, which I find odd.

I also want to check the end of D1 and see who was against the Nos wagon, which was the counter to Lapsa's. I'm willing to bet that someone pushed hard on Lapsa over Nos there, and that player is probably scum.

Also, gamma, lol! You're clearly scum, so I'm not worried. Lynch me and three town wagons won't look good for you bud. You aren't cleared like Titus.

I don't give a damn how bad I look. You are trying your hardest to take down Titus. Though here you say she's "cleared".
See the issue?

[Alisae]

How can't I argue that you're shit town and that I've not been on town wagons? They don't correlate, and the second is a fact. The first is just an opinion, but one that's been proven correct so far this game. I'd say you were scum if Cabd didn't investigate you. I didn't see his flip before, so I suppose that clears you. Due to that, it means you're shit town instead of scum.

Also, I told you all moz was town, but I'm not the Mason. Why didn't his Mason buddy defend him? Can anyone explain that to me? How idiotic is that? Wtf? Mason was the last thing I'd think moz would flip based on how many of you were on his wagon, without anyone actually defending him. That's just ridiculous.

I'll catch up when I get home and reevaluate, since I just read Kyouko isn't the lynch for some reason. I'll find out why later. He did defend Nos and claim he was town though, which I find odd.

I also want to check the end of D1 and see who was against the Nos wagon, which was the counter to Lapsa's. I'm willing to bet that someone pushed hard on Lapsa over Nos there, and that player is probably scum.

Also, gamma, lol! You're clearly scum, so I'm not worried. Lynch me and three town wagons won't look good for you bud. You aren't cleared like Titus.

I don't give a damn how bad I look. You are trying your hardest to take down Titus. Though here you say she's "cleared".
See the issue?

The fuck?
Tywin tried too take down Titus D1.
D2 she got confirmed town and Tywin TR read her from what I remember.

[Gamma Emerald]

Did I miss a hammer?

[Alisae]

Did I miss a hammer?

No and Tywin is not getting hammered today.
Sorry.

[Elbirn]

So I think you and I both realize the chances of a false-positive and true-negative existing at the same to to counter a 1-shot gunsmith is really unlikely. It completely invalidates a role that is... more or less flawed, even compared to a 1shot cop.

Which is why I'm stating that this post feels like scum employing the WIFOM of "Yeah but scum would never be fucking crazy enough to argue with confirmed town Titus". I know you're smart enough to see the writing on the wall and unfortunately I think Tywin's theatrics have given people the idea that such cases as the one quoted is acceptable and not retaliated against. Unfortunately, the fact that you are indeed smart enough to know Titus is almost certainly town means that this is complete and utter bullshit.

It's one of those cases were I'd expect you to put up or shut up here. This is a scum as hell post to try and discredit a basic confirmed town clear by a dead gunsmith by pretending to... call her out over not doing VCA? You're attempting to shake this read and do it in a way that people will say "oh but no scum would be that stupid". If you're going to toss shade, you might as well come out and build a case.

Cabd was not 1-shot, he was a full gunsmith. And it seems wholly reasonable for there to be more than one role that screws with gs. Scum also need a role that allows them to deal with vig/sk, so a roleblocker or doc or some such. Scum-doc seems a possibility.

Like ya yeah got me, I don't have balls massive enough to confidently attempt a push on a semi-confirmed titus. Nor the balls to pull a sudden 180 on someone I've just accepted as town the whole damn game on a whim.

But

1. It is entirely reasonable that there be a false-positive on the scum team.

2. Titus has done literally fuckall this game, especially ever since cabd confirmed her.

3. I have literally begged titus multiple times on multiple different topics to give me her insight (last day phase when she wanted me to vote moz and wouldn't tell me why; today regarding vca). This is, to reiterate, scummy af coming from her. I may be misremembering, but I do believe it was legends of the hidden temple mafia 2 where town caught scum-titus partly based on this tell.

4. When titus suddenly can't read me and starts floating me as scum for no real reason, she's scum. I know this is subjective as fuck. No one needs to pretend this point makes any sense. (But again, hidden temple 2 I'm pretty sure?)

It's not nothing dude. It's there, it's a thing.

And you chainsawing and trying to come at my throat over it is scummy as fuck, and I see in later posts you're still tsk-tsking me about it. Vote me or shut the fuck up.

<3 Hugs + Kisses,
-Elbirn

[Alisae]

Scum-doc seems a possibility.

Stop right there.
Scum doc heals nos.

[Alisae]

Besides that like the rest of the wall somewhat.

[Alisae]

BTW Elbrin come push Pine with me?

[Elbirn]

Titus

Girl

Give me fucking something to work with. You've been lifeless this game. If you're town, you're wasting what is essentially to everyone a confirmation. This isn't the titus I know and love. Where's the pizazz?

Can you tell me WHY you've been so not present this game?

[Elbirn]

Scum-doc seems a possibility.

Stop right there.
Scum doc heals nos.

*Detective Cole turning a glass bottle over in his hands* circumstantial

BTW Elbrin come push Pine with me?

But he's town

[Alisae]

BTW Elbrin come push Pine with me?

But he's town

But he's scum. He basicly got caught and everyone is dismissing him for bad town imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum-doc seems a possibility.

Stop right there.
Scum doc heals nos.

*Detective Cole turning a glass bottle over in his hands* circumstantial

Is it a grape juice bottle?

[Alisae]

Gamma, why should I believe you to be town?

[Elbirn]

BTW Elbrin come push Pine with me?

But he's town

But he's scum. He basicly got caught and everyone is dismissing him for bad town imo.

I don't know what he "got caught" for or how he's "bad town". Maybe I'm just brain dead but I ain't seeing it.

I'm guessing were talking about him voting for you a little bit ago? I disagreed with voting you but felt his premise for doing so was genuine: he thought you were being an uppity sk and trying to throw off your leash and he wasn't having it. I didn't disagree with him, really, though it's not what I would have done and I'm glad he backed off.

Yeah you got nos scum dropping the "pushing sk" tell but pine didn't really do the same thing in my view. He saw a threat to town and #gotmad.

[Alisae]

Hey Elbrin, how about you go into my ISO and read all my recent posts about Pine and then tell me whatchu think of him.

[Alisae]

Also my conversation about Lapsa's "Traitor" crumb is also a fun conversation to look at.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why should I believe you to be town?

I haven't really been analyzing my play so I couldn't tell you.

[Alisae]

Gamma, what are your reads currently?