Newbie 1767 | Winter | Endgame

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 1.08

EchoVision

(3): Huntress, lucca261, Raskolnikov

Loopdan

(2): TheBrie, Fredrick E Campbell

SensFan

(1): EchoVision

Fredrick E Campbell

(1): Loopdan

Not Voting

: Selynee, SensFan
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-01-11 20:50:00)

Notes:

[Selynee]

TheBrie- still not sure. Some of her later posts seem to be trying to solve the game. She saying she is willing to join a wagon if Huntress can explain why she suspects Echo while being uncertain about Huntress herself being town does seem concerning to me. Might be that she genuinely believes Echo is mafia but want to see others opinion as well.
Echo- to be fair, I didn't see much in post 22. His case on SensFan does look superficial given the fact that he didn't take into consideration that if SensFan is mafia, he would know that the game wasn't over. Can't see any reason for a vote for Brie sudden unvote and voting himself.
Fredrick is active and asking a lot of questions. I'd probably be more suspicious of some of his questions but he was somewhat meticulous in our first game as well.
SensFan- I was suspicious of him because of his vote change from Fredrick. I admit that post 141 makes sense, still not sure he is town.
I'm pretty sure loopdan is town. His actions makes more sense from a town perspective then a mafia one (using another player's advice).

[SensFan]

Wait what? If my explanation of my vote change makes sense, why are you suspicious of me because of my vote change?

[Selynee]

I said I'm still not sure you are town. Yes, your post makes sense, but I am not sure you wouldn't be able to make the same post even if you are mafia.

[TheBrie]

@Selynee I am thinking more and more that Echo is scum, but I wasn't certain back then. I wanted to get a read out of Huntress too. I wasn't convinced by her, but Rask and your reasoning sounds good. I'm not preoared to put him at L-1 quite yet though.

Among my suspcions I'm not finding good pairings though. Huntress and Echo is a no way. Huntress has srayed steady in Echo and dine lirtle else. Echo's case on Sensfan makes that pairing almost as unlikely. Sensfan Huntress could maybe work. There's been little interaction between them. Or there could be someone else who's escaped suspicion.

And I agree that Loopdan's actions don't makes sense for scum. Not that they make any sense as town either.
UNVOTE:

[Loopdan]

@Fredrick-- Why do you believe post 95 is more likely to come from scum than town?

I still want an answer to this.
VOTE: Fredrick

What could town possibly do with a post like that? From what I see, the answer is plenty though. It has sparked up conversation, and of course makes analysis much more easier. But then, what was your intent?

You didn't answer the question. Why is scum likelier than town to write 95? If you don't think this, is there a different reason you are voting me?

[lucca261]

I agree with Lucca, not sure where all of the suspicion is coming from with Brie. If someone could dumb it all down for me you might be able to sway my stance on it, but I really don't see where it's all coming from.

also,

Unvote

no point in keeping it for now.

Don't like this. The part where you say to dumb it down for you. I feel like at this sentence you were trying to look new.

I'm slightly suspicious of SensFan and Loopdan. Perhaps because they seem to be trying hard to implicate me.

Though probably not both of them together because that would be too obvious when I flip if killed. But I will keep my vote on Loopdan for now.

Why are you so nervous?

VOTE: TheBrie

Unvote; Vote: TheBrie

Why do you two think that TheBrie is scummy?

What do YOU think about TheBrie?

Not too sure about him. Early posts were quite scummy, but later ones seem to try and solve the game.

Which later posts by Brie seem to try and solve the game? All the later posts from her are here freaking out about being voted.

I just used my

1-shot Game Solve Attempt

.

Once a game you can message the mod and they will confirm or deny your guess at the scum-team. You have to get both partners right or they just say "You are wrong." So like you can't just get partial credit for knowing one scum player.

It's rare to use it this early but I thought I'd give it a try. Penguin confirmed I nailed it and he should be along soon to lock up the thread and post the game ending. But we can continue to talk during this twilight period.

gg

Did you really expect this to work?

Wow. Guess that's that. Nice job Loopdan.

Why are all your posts trying to sheep someone? Literally all your votes and posts are sheeping someone's opinion.

If Huntress still suspects Echo and can explain why, I'll jump on that wagon. Something doesn't seem quite right.

Why not vote for Echo yourself if you suspect him?

Right now I suspect a lot of people a little bit and I don't have enough experience to trust my reads. Before I decide Echo is scummy, I want to hear what other think.

If you think I'm scum with Echo, why aren't you hopping on my wagon since it's bigger?

This is scummy. Before you decide Echo is scummy, you want to hear what other think? What does it even mean? You aren't allowed to vote without consulting other people? Why the sudden townread about huntress?

Okay, Im posting from mobile but I've got some stuff figured out. I've got two scum reads right now and it's on Huntress and SensFan. I have more suspicion on SensFan, so I'll start with him first. Towards the beginning of the game, SensFan decided to put a vote on Fred (who I have a town read for) due to a "Forced Post". The post was just a simple question on why somebody changed their vote. Nothing very forced about that IMO. That right there put a finger of suspicion on him for me. But it's his later posts that got me a complete maf read. Sens decided to hop on a wagon for Brie putting her at L-2(I believe) with absolutely no explanation. Yeah shit like that happens, but this struck me as very odd. The most suspicious thing for me was right after Loopdan used his fake guess shit. Sens said, "Wow. Guess that's that. Nice job loopdan." He didn't even bother reading the wiki or anything about it. He seemed so eager to end the game but didn't say anything at all about the whole thing and how ridiculous it seemed. He was just way way WAY too eager to put the game to an end. I'm on my way home now, so I'll post the rest of my findings later. For now,

VOTE: SensFan

This is a forced vote. There are right reasons to vote SensFan, but this is not it.

I didn't answer your question. As you just said, "that is not what I was asking him about."

If it wasn't the answer to her question, why did you feel the need to bring it up?

If Huntress still suspects Echo and can explain why, I'll jump on that wagon. Something doesn't seem quite right.
Loopdan on the other hand is crazily confusing. I don't know what lying to a newbie about the game mechanics is supposed to achieve.

I explained it in 104, and nothing I've seen since has changed that feeling. But if you haven't seen that then you've no reason to sheep me; so why are you prepared to do so?

I missed that. The reason I was willing to vote Echo on more evidence was that I had some suspicions. His sudden vote on my seemed a little odd. Immediately pulling it off again when I commented, is suspicious unless he really hadn't realized that out me at L-1 and didn't want me there. Which is possible, but he didn't really explain.
What he's since said about Sensfan sounds alright, though Sensfan's post 141 made a lot of sense too. So I don't have enough to change to either of them. Huntress, what do you think of Sensfan and Loopdan. I'm sure they're not a team, but everything else about them is uncertain.

Why do you need to hear Huntress thoughts? There a lot of players who didn't give their thoughts on the situation. Why especify Huntress?

If Huntress still suspects Echo and can explain why, I'll jump on that wagon. Something doesn't seem quite right.
Loopdan on the other hand is crazily confusing. I don't know what lying to a newbie about the game mechanics is supposed to achieve.

I explained it in 104, and nothing I've seen since has changed that feeling. But if you haven't seen that then you've no reason to sheep me; so why are you prepared to do so?

I missed that. The reason I was willing to vote Echo on more evidence was that I had some suspicions. His sudden vote on my seemed a little odd. Immediately pulling it off again when I commented, is suspicious unless he really hadn't realized that out me at L-1 and didn't want me there. Which is possible, but he didn't really explain.
What he's since said about Sensfan sounds alright, though Sensfan's post 141 made a lot of sense too. So I don't have enough to change to either of them. Huntress, what do you think of Sensfan and Loopdan. I'm sure they're not a team, but everything else about them is uncertain.

We want to hear your thoughts on people. Not Huntress' thoughts.

Take a stance. Who is most likely to be Scum based on everything so far?

What are your reads? Cause for now, you are just sheeping Loopdan.

TheBrie confusion she's expressing now reads genuine even if a bit awkward.

Was still fidgety on entrance but that's not necessarily scum-indicative here.

Definitely starting to look game-solvey.

What do you mean by looking game-solvey? Trying to solve the game?

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sorry for the wall, another one coming, though

[lucca261]

my reads:

TOWN
- rasko: probably the surest bet for town this game, so far. good posts, featuring questions that matter, good scumhunting and analysis. his posts about Echo are really good, and made me notice stuff that I hadn't noticed. He is clear-headed and sounds genuine in his arguments.
- selynee: another person i'm reading town. seems like she is genuine, and I feel like she's looking things from the same perspective as me. her #176 might gave me pause, cause I don't feel it's on the line of the rest of her posts, and the sudden spike on activity when questioned puts her behind rasko on my readlist. solid town so far, though.
- loopdan: after Rasko and Selynee, it's a crapshoot. I feel like the best is Loop, though. He seems like is genuine scumhunting, and trying everything to find scum. Not so sure about the gameshot thing, though. I felt like he was just looking at a reason for voting Brie, and used the gameshot to do it.
- huntress: meh. her posts feel dodgy. I feel like she's just trying to look active, without stating a lot. Could be a playstyle thing, I guess.
- fred: his longtime vote at Huntress pings me, especially when he states that he wanted activity and still parked his vote on her. if he wanted activity, why don't vote another player? it would be easy. but his posts at least are consistent with each other. wish there was more followup to his questions, at least.
- brie: brie is crazy. there was a lot of voting around her spot. I feel like her nervous breakdown is actually genuine, and her reaction to the gameshot is actually fine. it's her other posts I don't like. lots of easy and empty statements, some fluff, and obvious stuff.
- sens: sens has a crazy voting pattern. he's just sheeping other people opinions and votes. by doing that and only asking questions, he's laying low by posting a lot.
- echo: his behaviour is inconsistent, his tone changes from post for post, and he seems more concerned with looking town than finding scum, also his votes seem hypocritical with his other posts. happy with my vote here.

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thought this was gonna be bigger.

[SensFan]

I haven't sheeped anyone beyond my intial RVS vote. I think my feelings on most people are pretty clear.

[Huntress]

Mmm, huntress could actually be with echo if I'm right.

First impression is retroactively the votes good just for being on echo, but when she made it (28) it didn't make sense given he only just rvs'd/entranced...

The vote was for his second post, not his first.

Like I was implying... it usually works better on newbies than SE's.

I was hoping to see how TheBrie (the only brand new player here), reacted to a third vote on the wagon she joined. But that train has left the station now.

Selynee had already seemed to be unconcerned about a couple of votes on herself.

Fred looked a bit self-conscious about the wagon, first ignoring it, then querying it, and lastly downplaying it's value.

I agree with Rask on TheBrie.

I've got an odd feeling about Echo. He may be scum.

Vote: EchoVision

Actually, given each of these the echo choice is odd given huntress herself describes fred as she did and agreed with me on thebrie. Seems like the weakest thing there so I don't see how it translated into being the vote?

Huntress?

I was following my gut there. I've explained what gave me that feeling. It was a choice between Echo and Fred, but Echo felt scummier. What makes you think that was the weakest thing there?

I'm aware of his onsite game and have already read it, and noted the difference in his play so far here. It's too soon to really tell based on that. But that is not what I was asking him about. Why did you feel the need to respond to a question that was addressed directly to him, not to you?

Really?

Was this before the game, or in rvs, or...?

I read it yesterday, just before I posted 127.

[Raskolnikov]

Fair enough, I missed that he had his second post by then.

[Huntress]

Huntress, what do you think of Sensfan and Loopdan. I'm sure they're not a team, but everything else about them is uncertain.

I haven't got a good read on Sensfan yet but he's looking townish so far. Loopdan I'm beginning to think may be scum. That question about Sensfan's vote felt weird, then there was the defence of Echo.


There's more I need to follow up on. I'll do that tomorrow.

[TheBrie]

Reading through again, I realized that all Echo has done is RSV vote Loopdan, make a couple of pointless comments, randomly voted for me, and immediately retracted, and make a weak case against Sensfan. I've checked his other game, and though he was quiet there I think it's different. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to rely much on meta from one game, but he hasn't been taking the game seriously.

VOTE: EchoVision

[TheBrie]

And that's L-1. Echo, any reasons we shouldn't lynch you?

[Fredrick E Campbell]

@Fredrick-- Why do you believe post 95 is more likely to come from scum than town?

I still want an answer to this.
VOTE: Fredrick

What could town possibly do with a post like that? From what I see, the answer is plenty though. It has sparked up conversation, and of course makes analysis much more easier. But then, what was your intent?

You didn't answer the question. Why is scum likelier than town to write 95? If you don't think this, is there a different reason you are voting me?

Just thought that scum were more likely to lie than town.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Reading through again, I realized that all Echo has done is RSV vote Loopdan, make a couple of pointless comments, randomly voted for me, and immediately retracted, and make a weak case against Sensfan. I've checked his other game, and though he was quiet there I think it's different. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to rely much on meta from one game, but he hasn't been taking the game seriously.

VOTE: EchoVision

At least he's trying.

[Fredrick E Campbell]

Reading through again, I realized that all Echo has done is RSV vote Loopdan, make a couple of pointless comments, randomly voted for me, and immediately retracted, and make a weak case against Sensfan. I've checked his other game, and though he was quiet there I think it's different. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to rely much on meta from one game, but he hasn't been taking the game seriously.

VOTE: EchoVision

I'm slightly suspicious of SensFan and Loopdan. Perhaps because they seem to be trying hard to implicate me. Raskolnikov sounds more like a scum hunter. Suscious, but not trying to make everyone think people are guilty.

And now that three people have voted for me I'm a little nervous, because I'd rather not die just yet.

I've voted you, yes. But please point out where I've been "trying hard to implicate you" and "trying to make everyone think people are guilty."

I'll make it easy. Here is everything I've posted that is in any way related to you:

Spoiler:

VOTE: TheBrie

@TheBrie-- Who do you think is most likely scum at this point?

I don't see what people are seeing about Brie so much.

I see a null player. Don't know what made people so eager to vote her. But I don't think that was scum motived.

If you don't know what made people so eager to vote Brie, why do you think it isn't scum motivated?

@Brie
Assuming those voting you are town, why do you think they would be voting you right now, based on your posts so far?

Why are you questioning TheBrie about votes on him instead of the voters?

Would you answer that question, Loopdan?

[Loopdan]

@Fred-- I was focused on sorting Brie.

[Loopdan]

I intend to hammer Echo. I'll wait a couple days so he can claim and everyone can say their peace.

[TheBrie]

@Fred-- I was focused on sorting Brie.

If by sorting me you mean helping me realize that people could really think I was guilty, or just trying to read me by my reactions, then thank you. I needed that. I had fallen into a stupid logical fallacy that only bad people could a accuse an innocent. I still find you utterly confusing though and don't like you.

[TheBrie]

Reading through again, I realized that all Echo has done is RSV vote Loopdan, make a couple of pointless comments, randomly voted for me, and immediately retracted, and make a weak case against Sensfan. I've checked his other game, and though he was quiet there I think it's different. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to rely much on meta from one game, but he hasn't been taking the game seriously.

VOTE: EchoVision

At least he's trying.

What do you mean by that, Fred? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[SensFan]

Seconding the call for a claim.

EchoVision

, I will hammer you if your next post does not have a claim in it.[/b]

[Loopdan]

or just trying to read me by my reactions

This one.

If you are still unsure what I was up to, here's the explanation: It started as a joke in 92, saying I'd solved the game. You were confused and your "Even if you do know" comment in 93 made me wonder if I might actually be correct. So I milked it by half-jokingly claiming 1-shot Game Solve. SensFan played along. Then Penguin showed up with a post-count in 102 and ruined all the fun.

[lucca261]

I haven't sheeped anyone beyond my intial RVS vote. I think my feelings on most people are pretty clear.

both your votes at Frederick and Brie happened one post after another vote on him.

[PenguinPower]