Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[Titus]

Well, then you shoot town and I will lynch you.

[Alisae]

Well, then you shoot town and I will lynch you.

Says the person who's been wagonning town this whole game.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So there are 4 traitor games in the archive and they're all 4 mafia total except one game where there were 5 mafia but in that game there were 21 players, a vengeful, and a lot of protective power (a doc, a non-consecutive doc, and a 3-shot commuter).

Should only be 2 scum left imo

, regardless of the presence of an SK (there were SKs in 3 of those games which had 21/19/21 players, no SK in the last game, a 16 slot game).

Gonna spec based on past games we're looking at 13 town vs 4 mafia, maybe 12v4v1 if town has a lot of protectives still lying in wait which seems unlikely given how many kills there have been.
2 scum dead leaves us with just 2 left so I think we should consider that when looking at possible scum

but if 2-3 of [Pine, Gamma, Elbirn] are scum

it wouldn't be unreasonable for town to sense something is wrong with the Lapsa wagon and vote for one of the scummy players on that wagon. It could be town was wrong about which of the players on that wagon was scummy, or it could be that Lapsa wasn't gaining enough traction so other members of the scumteam started a new wagon elsewhere (you), in which case you'd be town. If you flip, we know what happened. If you flip town, points to scum on your wagon. Speaking of, CK was last onto your wagon and he knows who the scumteam is. That points to you being town imo, which means scum thought lapsa wasn't gaining traction and started wagon on you, probably

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post 3359: Still working on the guesstimation that there are 4-5 scum in this game
post 3462: Just checked the archive of previous games and determined there are most likely exactly 4 scum in this game
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[Alisae]

Did I miss a hammer?

No and Tywin is not getting hammered today.
Sorry.

He is if I have anything to say about it.

I will settle for Nero or Elbrin if I must.

Scum Tywin self hammers instead of asking to self hammer.

[Alisae]

Scum Tywin self hammers instead of asking

for permission

to self hammer.

edit

[Alisae]

Titus still not convinced?

[Pine]

Back home from my thing the last two days, but it's 430 AM, and I don't have an hour to meaningfully engage this thread. I'll be here in the morning.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Votes like this are exactly why I have said all game that you guys don't know what you're doing. You lynch town, NEVER give reasons for your wagons, NEVER give actual cases against any player you SR, and all of your decisions have been absolutely terrible. Everyone has sheeped each other, but not a single person has objectively read the game and played it well. None of you. All the good town players have been lynched or NK'd.

I'll hammer myself when I'm L1 just to get out of this shit show

. Nobody listens to my opinions anyways, because my reads are always counter to your shit wagons, not to mention that I've been railroaded by Titus ALL GAME LONG. Idk why I haven't been NK'd by Alisae (she probably thought I was the Mason for being literally the ONLY player to defend a fucking obvious town yesterday), but since I haven't been NK'd, let the predicted lynch happen quickly.

Again, I pointed out this would happen yesterday. I knew scum would quicklynch me off the shit reads of Titus. I said it yesterday, which is why I wanted Alisae to NK me instead.

Also AJ: have you not read any post I've ever made? Did you just forget everything I said at the end of D2? Is that on purpose? ISO me when you get a chance and see all the players I've called town and scum. Then after the game, see the results and compare them to Titus and others. See who was right here.

Post game, I want you all to rememver how your shit wagons and reads went, then try learning from it. It's not my job to convince you all that your reads are bad, but I've tried time and time again. I will be wagoned for doing so, but I am right. Wagon me for calling players out for not playing the game correctly, but don't blame the eventual loss on me. You sheeped the wrong players and will lose for it. Stop being sheep in future games and learn from this game.

Am I L1? Hammering myself

. Good luck! I said this all game and nobody listened.

Still enjoying the summer breeze (alive)

Pine

Nero Cain

gerryoat

Gamma Emerald
Aj The Epic

xSoniaNevermindx

ssbm_Kyouko

Alisae

Tywin Lannister

Elbirn

Titus

UNVOTE:

Tywin never asked to hammer himself though. He said he would hammer himself when he reached L-1. He was probably voted to L-1 while writing that post. He then notices he's L-1 and instead of hammering himself he says "Am I L-1? Hammering myself." but then doesn't vote. That's clearly scum AtE. The only reason he's alive is because we want to use the time we have to talk about scumreads. Tywin said he would hammer himself and I spotted it in a preview while making my post and I just quickly added unvote to the bottom of my post and posted, and only then, when it wasn't a lynch vote, did he vote himself.

[Alisae]

Oh in that case I misinterpreted what Tywin said.
Titus, I think I accidentally emptied the liquor cabinet. Sorry about that.

Am I L1? Hammering myself. Good luck! I said this all game and nobody listened.

I see a hammer in this post.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

There is no vote so there is no hammer. No matter how loudly he screams and shouts he's going to hammer himself it is meaningless until he does it with vote tags

[ssbm_Kyouko]

meaningless is the wrong word - obviously there is intention behind waving around such a big and colorful stick. What I mean is no matter how loudly he talks about hammering himself he still does not actually hammer himself unless he uses vote tags to vote himself while he is at L-1

[Elbirn]

Did I miss a hammer?

No and Tywin is not getting hammered today.
Sorry.

He is if I have anything to say about it.

I will settle for Nero or Elbrin if I must.

OH LOOK

IT'S TITUS

STILL CALLING ME SCUM WITHOUT SAYING WHY AND REFUSING TO ENGAGE WITH GOD FUCKING DAMN ANYTHING THAT I FUCKING SAID. JUST KEEPS FLOATING THAT SOFTBALL OUT THERE

VOTE: Titus

I don't fucking care how, you're scum, my vote stays here until you're dead. If you're not scum you've played so piss poorly I legitimately don't want to play with you again. And I swear to god scum better shoot me tonight because I am so fucking tired of this shit show. Please, legitimately, please shoot me scum-team, do me a favor on a personal level and put a bullet in me

[Tywin Lannister]

Lol! Elibrin is now dealing with the same level of frustration I had. Looks like it isn't only me. It pisses you off when someone refuses to engage or listen to you in a game about engagement and listening.

Kyouko is still going after the 'easy' lynch in me. He never even once took a look at gamma or Pine. I think that confirms he is scum with them too. There's no reason for him to not have looked there at all. Even if he wanted me lynched, he would acknowledge the other players. Instead, he goes off on a tangent saying I didn't hammer myself, which is useless and completely nonsensical. Who cares? You stopped me from doing it. That's WHY I town read you, but you haven't discussed ANYTHING else, so why did you stop it? What discussion did you partake in that was different from 'let's lynch Tywin, he's scum for no reason at all, and every player in the game wants to lynch him, so with 4 scum exactly, that means Tywin is the last two scum slots. Only Tywin. Tywin is two scum at once.'

[Tywin Lannister]

The fact that scum have all wanted to lynch me from day 1 should be obvious to everyone, but it isn't for some reason. Only town have ever defended me, and they're all dead. Scum killed them. So who exactly do you people think my partner(s) are? Nos wanted me lynched, but whatever, I'm talking about current scum players. Who are they? Why have they wanted to lynch me so badly all game?

Try using your damn brains for once. Even if I was scum, which I'm not, there'd be more scum than me. Figure that out and figure out WHO or WHY without using pre-flip associations that will be wrong after I flip town. The fact is, you've all used those pre flip associations twice now, and both times, you've fucking looked like shit players for it, since none of you had any idea who else to go after due to never even once scum hunting without pre flips.

[Tywin Lannister]

Gamma, pine, and Kyouko are scum. Kyouko is the only iffy one there.

Read this and weep post game. I want apologies from players like Titus after the game.

[Alisae]

Did I miss a hammer?

No and Tywin is not getting hammered today.
Sorry.

He is if I have anything to say about it.

I will settle for Nero or Elbrin if I must.

OH LOOK

IT'S TITUS

STILL CALLING ME SCUM WITHOUT SAYING WHY AND REFUSING TO ENGAGE WITH GOD FUCKING DAMN ANYTHING THAT I FUCKING SAID. JUST KEEPS FLOATING THAT SOFTBALL OUT THERE

VOTE: Titus

I don't fucking care how, you're scum, my vote stays here until you're dead. If you're not scum you've played so piss poorly I legitimately don't want to play with you again. And I swear to god scum better shoot me tonight because I am so fucking tired of this shit show. Please, legitimately, please shoot me scum-team, do me a favor on a personal level and put a bullet in me

As much as I want to give you my support.
Your vote is retarded.

[Alisae]

AND I'M DOING IT ANYWAYS
VOTE: Titus
Wake up.

[Alisae]

Actually, I'm being retarded.
VOTE: SSBM_Kyouko
Hey Titus, you can't lynch me if I'm getting the NK now can you?

[Alisae]

Actually, I'm being retarded.
VOTE: SSBM_Kyouko
Hey Titus, you can't lynch me if I'm getting the NK now can you?

BTW Tywin. You're a smart person. I think you know what's happening if this flips town, don't you?

[Elbirn]

Cabd, I am at Lapsa AJ TL as stronger scumreads. Alisae uneases me, same with Uzi. Gamma might be scum.

Cloudkicker solid town. Pine and Sonia lean town. Nero is likely town, not by his content, but by the posturing in thread. Mozamis weak town.

Nostramus, gun to head town.

Be my soundingboard? Cloud, please chime in too.

Peace out until tonight.

Posts made by nos by thus point:

quack
VOTE: Alisae

alsjdlsakjdlsa

Titus what the fuck I thought you were town
How could you do this to me?

OH LOOK

THIS AGAIN

[Alisae]

Cabd, I am at Lapsa AJ TL as stronger scumreads. Alisae uneases me, same with Uzi. Gamma might be scum.

Cloudkicker solid town. Pine and Sonia lean town. Nero is likely town, not by his content, but by the posturing in thread. Mozamis weak town.

Nostramus, gun to head town.

Be my soundingboard? Cloud, please chime in too.

Peace out until tonight.

Posts made by nos by thus point:

quack
VOTE: Alisae

alsjdlsakjdlsa

Titus what the fuck I thought you were town
How could you do this to me?

OH LOOK

THIS AGAIN

Cabd's gunsmitth.

[Alisae]

Also @Tywin

@Tywin: why are you SRing me? I want ALL the reasons.

[Titus]

@Elbrin, the votes dictate my scumread on you. Your defensiveness doesn't help.

[Alisae]

Elbrin best way to show that Titus is wrong is to vote Kyouko.
If the people she wants lynched are You, Tywin, and Nero
Then I wonder how she would react if we managed to flip scum for once in our fucking lives.
And if Kyouko flips town, then Tywin get's shot and Titus has the data she wants.
Tywin that means change your vote as well.

[Titus]

I am nearly conftown, I can investigate my theories how I want.