Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

Vote: SirCakez

[SirCakez]

[Nahdia]

oh boy

[Skullduggery]

Day 7, Final Vote Count:

(6)

SirCakez -- callforjudgement, JaeReed, Giovanni il Pellegrino, Almost50, BigYoshiFan, PeregrineV

(0)

Giovanni il Pellegrino

(1)

MathBlade -- MathBlade

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Nahdia

(0)

callforjudgement

(1)

Ankamius -- Nahdia

(0)

BigYoshiFan

(1)

Almost50 -- SirCakez

(0)

JaeReed

Not Voting:

Ankamius

With 10 votes available, it took 6 votes to hammer.

[Skullduggery]

SirCakez was lynched on Day 7.
SirCakez was

Alphys

, an

Inventor

aligned with

Gaster's Followers

.

[Skullduggery]

Night 7 Begins Now

Night 7 Will End on Saturday, January 7th, at 8 p.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2017-01-07 20:00:00)

[Skullduggery]

callforjudgement was killed on Night 7.
callforjudgement was

Bratty & Catty, Town Neighborizer

.

[Skullduggery]

Day 8 Begins Now

Current Vote Count:

(0)

Giovanni il Pellegrino

(0)

MathBlade

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Nahdia

(0)

Ankamius

(0)

BigYoshiFan

(0)

Almost50

(0)

JaeReed

Not Voting:

Giovanni il Pellegrino, MathBlade, PeregrineV, Nahdia, Ankamius, BigYoshiFan, Almost50, JaeReed

With 8 votes available, it takes 5 votes to hammer.

Day 8 Will End on Saturday, January 21st, at 9 p.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2017-01-21 21:00:00)

[BigYoshiFan]

@Mod: I will be V/LA until January 12th.

I might be able to post more as next week progresses.

[Almost50]

So, here's what I thought overnight: I had considered lynching between Mathblade and Ankamius. In fact I had prepared the cases on both. Mathblade (for defending Cakez like a lioness defends her cub), and Ankamius (who was there for the hammer which he clams to advance his own role phases, but ignored it).

Worthy of note that Ank also didn't vote Maxous, but then Math was using precisely that to push Ank, besides I'm still holding on to my theory that the Gastor Followers didn't know they will be converted until Maxous was actually lynched.

HOWEVER, it hit me that both Math and Nahdia were trying hard to get rid of Ank (Nahdia wanted him to hammer ME so that he would lose his Vig ability). Also Math's push on Nahdia doesn't feel genuine in hindsight, and they even flipped it over to a Town read somehow (which some of us know isn't Math-like, as Math is so stubborn even a mod-cofirmed IC would still be scum read by them if they had scum read him before being confirmed).

So, anyway.. I believe we should be lynching in Math/Nahdia and lynch Ank only if the game doesn't end with these precise two lynches.

New edit: I will hold my vote for a little time while I go through CFJ's ISO to try and figure why he was killed over -say- JR (who is CONFIRMED, y'know)

[BigYoshiFan]

I think that Jae surviving gives more legitimacy to Nahdia's JK claim.

[Almost50]

I think that Jae surviving gives more legitimacy to Nahdia's JK claim.

That's one way to look at it. Scum may know Nahdia is Town (and thus have no reason to lie) and took their word for granted, yes.

But it could also be a collateral gain, as the scum may have wanted CFJ dead more, and.. give Nahdia's claim more legitimacy in the process.

[MathBlade]

I think that Jae surviving gives more legitimacy to Nahdia's JK claim.

Agreed. I saw Nahdia visit JaeReed and JaeReed didn't die.

[MathBlade]

I think that Jae surviving gives more legitimacy to Nahdia's JK claim.

That's one way to look at it. Scum may know Nahdia is Town (and thus have no reason to lie) and took their word for granted, yes.

But it could also be a collateral gain, as the scum may have wanted CFJ dead more, and.. give Nahdia's claim more legitimacy in the process.

No this is bad. Nahdia was unclaimed in the hood. After the SirCakez lynch I said do what you want as a test. It means a bad person is in the hood more than likely.

VOTE: Ankanimus

[MathBlade]

Was action unclaimed*

[BigYoshiFan]

Well, I don't know if I can believe that Math, SirCakez, Nahdia, and Gio are all scum (in the same scumteam for that matter).

[MathBlade]

I gotta go. But let's lynch Ank.

[BigYoshiFan]

Ank, do you not gain benefits from hammers anymore or... what?

[BigYoshiFan]

Actually, Ank looked like they were trying to avoid any interaction with SirCakez's lynch.

[Giovanni il Pellegrino]

Given the gamestate, JaeReed was the only "confirmed" townie that could be nightkilled. As Nahdia was townreading Mathblade, it would be logical that she could be protecting the one cleared by him. Or maybe she hinted at who she would target at the neighborhood and scum caught wind of it?

CFJ was an all around active player and the one who actually used solid logic in order to pin down SirCakez. I think he got nightkilled just for being a good player with the off-chance that his flip would further frame Mathblade and me. And speaking of Mathblade, I still think that he is town and this not gonna change. No only do I find the whole Godfather theory over the top, but also when I checked him, I got a result on the type of action he performed (investigative). If he was a Godfather, I would most likely get the "usual" "maybe didn't do anything/maybe you were tampered with" message.

So, what is your opinion on SirCakez's flip? He flipped both red and Gaster's Follower. I think that now we can consider the possibility of a scumteam not existing before Maxous's flip.

[Almost50]

I get the strong feeling that someone has overclaimed this game (i.e. claimed a stronger role than they actually have); such a player is highly likely to be scum.

That was Mathblade claiming BP to claim they were shot at thus earning town credit. Such claim (being shot at) was nullified by Yoshi's claim.

CFJ was actually a loud voice opposing Math's schemes (mainly for lynching me, but also other moon-logic including Math being "Conf!Town" to which CFJ never gave in).

So I went back to look a Maxous' ISO, and sure enough .. I found what I wanted.

SirCakez is kinda town
Creature is town

I think Ankamius is town though admittedly i've been wrong about him a couple of times in the past so yeah.
SlySLy is town
Pepto is scum
Gamma Emerald is awkward as hell town that is easy to nitpick at (and a possible counter-wagon attempt from peptobislawl)

Nahdia is trying too hard to redeem Giga's slot. They ain't succeeding.

Bolded, underlined and put in Italic: The top two "Town" reads of Maxous were SirCakez and Creature (Creature is now Mathblade). These were the first two he targeted to recruit after his death (apparently he thought they would outlive many others and was proven right).

...well that list is MY town-reads anyway (plus creature) so :dealwithit:

additonal note: if pepto does end flipping town, i'm prolly gonna lynch mcmenno

And here he is reasserting his Town read on Creature, and lining up lynches on Townies (Pepto was Narna's sot).

also: McMenno is selectively responding, his latest contribution is entirely to complain that i've been taking potshots. i think he's even still voting Narna.
who is town here? probably Cakez, Nahdia, Narna.
multiball is likely, so Titus and McMenno can both be scum. zakk could be scum. Andrius and magna? i don't want to say both are scum, but one of them probably is.

then just vote menno please.

you agreed with me 20 pages ago that a lynch needed to happen yet here we are.

creature is town but if you want to talk about him, holy hell we can talk about him Day 2

.
That goes to all these 1~2 vote wagons.

More defending of the Creature slot in particular.

Titus
Gamma Emerald
Creature
PeregrineV

-
SlySly
Leonshade
Narna
Yume

-
Ankamius
Andrius
zakk
MagnaofIllusion
Nahdia

-
Not Chara
-
SirCakez
Firebringer
massive
Shiro
-
Nosferatu
SnarkySnowman
McMenno


i think that's my current position in order from town => scum
i might be misremembering somebody because of the slog but w/e

I mean, he put my slot up there right below Titus at the very top bc most players were hard Town reading Gamma by that time, but look at where Creature is. I don't see ANYTHING to justify such a strong Town read on him by that time. Cakez is even relegated to a null/scum kind of read.

Now somebody tell me this sequence of

Spoiler: 5 posts

Yeah, motivation is still low.
NC is an acceptable lynch.
I want to move onto the part where narna/Leon get hanged.

VOTE: creature

There's a day and a half left.
Everyone either gets on creature or not chara or be considered vig-bait.

Agreed. Leon should of been auto-lynched.
People really over complicated this with WIFOM.

Agreed. Leon should of been auto-lynched.
People really over complicated this with WIFOM.

WILL YOU JOIN IN OUR CRUSADE

Crusade status: joined

VOTE: leonshade

I wasn't super happy on creature anyway

makes any sense (other than it being for distancing when the VC get analyzed later out of their context).

I mean, naked vote then asking for an either/or then stating he wasn't happy about wagoning that slot??

Then this:

Creature.
I saw that you may of blocked me though

But -interestingly- it was Maxous who also claimed having blocked Creature, so which is it did he mean??

Also interestingly Creature wanted to end the game in a draw at about the same time Maxous had called for it, so -maybe- he was notified of having lost his ability?? Not too sure about that last part since I still believe the "Maxous Followers" faction was "created" after his lynch.

Anyway, I have this urge to vote Mathblade now. They seem to be the one person that would have been targeted by CFJ today after the Cakez flip, so they benefited the most from their death.

Their defense? Yeah sure they did push Max and got him lynched, only they didn't know they were to join his faction after his death (and I just said that I still believe that was the case. The faction was CREATED and the member only got notified AFTER the Maxous lynch had occurred).

VOTE: Mathblade

[Almost50]

Well, Ank would work for me too, but I want to hear you shouting and spewing your "brilliant" logic all over the place before I decide which one of you I want to lynch the most. Also funny that you should now confirm Nahdia of all players.

Tell me something: Why did you track Nahdia and not Ank?? I mean, you did suspect him more, right? And he didn't hammer scum, so I would have tried to verify HIM over Nahdia if I were you.. (if I were TOWN!Yo, that is)

[BigYoshiFan]

That was Mathblade claiming BP to claim they were shot at thus earning town credit. Such claim (being shot at) was nullified by Yoshi's claim.

Yeah, this has me suspicious of Math. I found it when I was reading their ISO, then they started to believe me at 9548 because there was a scum kill, but if they claim (or think it's very probable that) they were shot, then... how does a scumkill clear me from their POV?

[BigYoshiFan]

Tell me something: Why did you track Nahdia and not Ank?? I mean, you did suspect him more, right? And he didn't hammer scum, so I would have tried to verify HIM over Nahdia if I were you.. (if I were TOWN!Yo, that is)

Ehhh, I don't know if I agree with this.
They would have a much better chance at confirming Nahdia than incriminating Ank in my opinion, even if they were more suspicious of Ank I think verifying Nahdia would make more sense.

[Skullduggery]