Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over

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What's going on everyone.

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Think I'll start reading, no idea about any of the mechanics or if this is even a mafia game yet.

Exciting.

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Oh is that how you're suppose to replace in?

How's about tl;dr, drealmerz7? Who do you think is scum?

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I just said I would read, but you should also give me a quick summary of what you're thinking and what you think I should be paying attention to while I do it.

You're trying to look helpful while being anything but.

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I'm perfectly capable of forming my own opinion while hearing the opinions of others but I see you're adamant about this so I'll just go back to reading and wait for someone who wants to have a conversation to post.

I'm up to page 5 and haven't seen any scumhunting this is a bad sign.

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VOTE: Shaziro

Up to speed.

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VOTE: Pine

It's my understanding that the item passes on, on a lynch, before the night phase, and so can still be used. The person gets to select where the item goes. Let's kill Pine to see if scum took it for themselves, and if they're town they get to select who gets the item.

But is pine scum?

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One thing I meant to get clarification on, why did you guys talk about classes being counterclaimed after pine's claim? At face value it just looked like you guys were assuming the setup was broken.

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No I understand the scum motivation (as well as the town motivation) for keeping a claim vague. What I don't understand is why you expect scum to have to wriggle around with claiming shit or would even be worried about being countered at all.

Unless you're saying he fakeclaimed one of those classes that wouldn't be safe for him to claim just to get an item that he doesn't even know does anything.

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But why would you expect a counterclaim in the first place?

My point was though that the only scenario I can see where pines risks making a claim like that as scum is where they'd know that the item actually could do something semi worthwhile. I too agree that the first item is probably gonna do something more than likely.

Not sure how to take pine saying it doesn't do anything tbh. Could be scum lying or town telling the truth. Could be it does something that pine doesn't even know about as either alignment.
All worthless speculation at this point until we see some blood.

Who do you think is scum, shaziro?

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VOTE: Pine

It's my understanding that the item passes on, on a lynch, before the night phase, and so can still be used. The person gets to select where the item goes. Let's kill Pine to see if scum took it for themselves, and if they're town they get to select who gets the item.

VOTE: Dunnstral

You're literally saying "Town helped him get this item, now let's lynch him to see if he is actually town or not." That's terrible, and I can't even fathom how that would ever come from a town mindset.

I could get down with this.

Why is nobody asking me why I'm voting shaz?

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@Shaz
When did your Dunn read develop specifically?

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You should care, pine.

Jason, I disagree with your vote. How are you reading shaziro atm?

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Vigs have free reign on kuroi, dunn and brantz. Keep the game moving and I bet there's one scum in those three.

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You re-voted for Kuror, both of which were blank votes in the first place, and earlier asked somebody else to explain their reason for giving Pine their vote. I don't like hypocrisy in games, because it's rarely a town mindset.

Right here.

That's a pretty weak tell to apply to someone who to be scum would have to have fakeclaimed miller in a role-heavy setup.

Was there reason for you to believe that his asking for reasoning on a pine vote may have come before a time where he was still unsure of exactly what we were voting for/what was going on from the point up until he voted kuror without much thought behind it?

Or is it more likely scum just tripping over their own principles.

I guess to rephrase the question; was there no change in circumstance to your eye between these three votes?

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Why are you voting shaz?

Short answer is fake gamesolving but gimme some time with him then I'll know if I need to get longwinded.

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Also, I don't know how he could not be sure what we were voting for? It's fairly clearly described in the mod posts, and nobody else seemed particularly confused?

Well that was only one example, if you want to subscribe scum-motive to having a different thought process behind a few different votes, I'd like to know why you think that the change in process from asking why someone was voting for someone to get an item earlier on vs he himself voting later on naked couldn't possibly be a genuine trajectory brought on by ... realizations ... not giving a care ... thinking about things a little bit more.

I'm just looking to understand where you're coming from on your stances, no need to start waffling already. I will note that you not having a vote out there despite having scumreads troubles me somewhat.

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Jason, I disagree with your vote. How are you reading shaziro atm?

Not entirely sure yet, but i don't think he is today's lynch at all, and he would be one i wouldn't vote unless something major comes up.

So he's not a townread, but you're hardpressed to lynch him.

Can I ask why? Are we rreally to lazy to use google for flavor stuff?

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I think him expecting people to give explanation for votes, but then giving votes with no explanation whatsoever is hypocritical. Do you disagree?
I think hypocrisy is a sign of scumminess. This makes him a suspect in my mind.

I don't see how any of that is waffling, I'd like you to explain what I've done that you take as waffling.

Stay with me shaziro. It's fine to find hypocrisies scummy. It's not fine to distinguish scummy hypocrisy from forgivable ones without explaining to me why you think the change in thought process doesn't make sense from a town-mindset.

Saying "I'm not even pushing dunn" is what I was referring to. Hedging was probably the more appropriate term there.

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Ok, but like I said, I think it's possible for town to be hypocritical too.

But you called dunn scummy for that particular hypocrisy.

Anyone else noticing the circles?

Shaz can talk setup all day but can't keep one read straight.

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Okay so if it was scummy then can you explain why the hypocrisy (IE - change in mindset) makes more sense to come from scum?

This is the one part that you can't seem to answer.

I don't know the source material at all this decision was complete compulsion but so far I'm having fun. Cool that I missed the boring part of the game as well.

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@Dunnstral
Why do you think scum would want or could have made any influence over whether pine received the item or not? His claim is what gathered consensus for that vote mostly.

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Pine did feel kinda scummy in my readthrough.

Could you iso shaz and tell me if I'm just bad tunneling or not?

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I feel as if pine gathering a bunch of votes for the item in a short time was scummy.

What claim?

He claimed wizard OR something else. Which means that he could get the most buffs from the amulet or so that's what we're all gonna assume.

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I know it wasn't a wizard specifically I was just taking the piss, we're all nerds.

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VOTE: Dunnstral

ok

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Dunn no really please explain why you unvoted there idgi.

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@Culted: Let vig deal with Dunn. If there's no vig in game, we can always lynch him tomorrow.

To be fair, this is scummy when it doesn't seem like you're pushing anything else.

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Dunn no really please explain why you unvoted there idgi.

His claim of the amulet.

What's alignment indicative about that; it came from a public vote that anyone could win. He didn't claim anything confirmable either.

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Well yea ... once they're dead.

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That isn't even so much my point anyway, even if pine claimed something confirmable the item still could have gone to scum. Unless you think they're more likely to lie about it, in which case taking

that claim

at face value seems contrived at worst and you not paying attention at best.

pedit: right but I thought pine softed pretty obviously that he couldn't use until after he was dead. If he's dead I don't care if it's confirmable anymore because I'll know pine's alignment then.

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Okay whatever.

VOTE: Kuroi

Let's quick-policy this and go on another quest.

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@Jason
It's a terrible iso and I'm getting impatient and I don't have any true scumreads now. I realized shaz probably just hasn't been trying to scumhunt and that dunn is gonna get vig'd tonight anyway.

This game needs a kick in the ass.

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Won't vote until I get the VC.

Who are you gonna vote for?

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@Persivul
Who are your scumreads at the moment?

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If they were I didn't know about it. Kuroi looks worse than brantz by comparison.

This game feels like it's been around longer than it actually has to me since I replaced in not too long ago that might be what it is.

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Well now I feel like a jerk.

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Creature's town.

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PLing someone who's been on VLA for a weekend is bad form. This isn't a blitz.

No you're totally right. I just literally makeshifted a readslist and people I didn't have a real read on was my vig pool there.

Brantz only having 1 post means that he's legitamitely inactive but kuroi's iso is bad ontop of producing no content.

The different phases while reading up messed with me too like my timeframe is all weird now hard to believe like 3 actual events took place in this game over one weekend see what I'm saying now.

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Feel like kuroi's reaction to getting policy voted was kinda flaccid? Like does he scumread me for it or is he just pissed?
Kinda feel like he's pushing creature for nai/surfacey things while there's already a smidgen of hype there? Scummy.

Pine/Dunn might be a bus after thinking over stuff and persivul + others have brought up some very good points down to apply my pressures after a VC.

drealmerz is an iso I wanna look at as well.

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Right my mistake you didn't really push him, just threw some shade his way.

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This and saying that Creature should know better than the way he's playing. How is any of this throwing shade?

Wasn't talking about that, maybe we'd cut directly to the root of the problem more easily if I just laid out an entire case on you next time.

I tend to scumread players without purpose. When I see an iso of someone who's vla but still with enough time to make reaction posts coupled with your first few posts pinging me as awkward somewhat you can see why my vote was placed where it's at right now. What's the purpose behind catching up and quoting creature's activity list to display frustration about having attention called to you for being away if you had already displayed that in the same post to me?

To me this seems less like someone sorting the game and more like someone coasting by, looking like they're dancing with the thread but really are just posting words for words.

But I think I may understand how you play a touch better now. Let's not make more noise with this let's talk about who you're scumreading besides pine.

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VOTE: drealmerz

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Meh, I think drealmerz7 is town.

Why?

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Why does it have to be a bus?

Am I in the twilight zone?

That was before I read up all the way but you guys were fosing each other without voting each other and your unvote still kinda felt for show but meh.

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Not sure what I was expecting; but you're good to vote him the post dunn quoted is essentially a scumclaim.

Dunno if I agree with persivul that pine and dreal looks like distancing, it could be, but dreal's lack of panic atm with pine getting close to eating rope is enough for me to put that off for at least today.

I also don't know if pine and dreal as partners both hard push on persivul like they have been.

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Are you an alt? I'm not sure if we've played a game before. I will say I naturally come across as suspicious and I'm easily scumread, so I don't blame anyone for that.

I wouldn't really consider myself an alt, I've played on this forum before but I never really found a home playing mafia here. The place I play regularly got really boring/cancerous recently long story short.

And you're not off the hook yet; who do you think is scum outside pine? What's your read on drealmerz?

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Dunno if I agree with persivul that pine and dreal looks like distancing, it could be, but dreal's lack of panic atm with pine getting close to eating rope is enough for me to put that off for at least today.

I believe Pine's wagon is at 4 and stalled now.

You're voting dreal. In a scum!dreal world, what's the alternative to scum!pine and distancing? If pine were town, scum!dreal would be WKing him for town cred. Instead he's saying Pine reeks of scummyness, but then taking the bizarre position that, since very early in the game Pine appeared townie, we should ignore the current reek.

Doesn't mean it's a wagon on scum necessarily but I'll agree the rabble about pine has started to fade a bit. Could just be that town's more ready for a dreal flip though.

The weird thing is that I'm pretty much in love with how this dreal wagon has built up so far, whereas pine I'm not really scumreading any of the votes on him as much as a few people kinda biding their time on it.

Hard to credit if dreal is more likely to white knight a town pine as scum because if pine's town that's a good mislynch for scum is it not?

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Has been drealmerz7 been posting a lot in Part 3?

Not at all, btw.

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@Pine
Why are you townreading kuror?

@Jason
How do you feel about the chances of pine and dreal both being scum?

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Drealmerz is about a null read at the moment.

Right and what I'm saying is I don't have any idea who you are; I just find it remarkably annoying and somewhat scummy how disinterested you are in talking about who you think is scum while conversely finding every opportunity to talk about yourself.

Also, you took a look at dreal's iso and just went "shit's nai" right.
Don't really buy it he's posted more content than pine has.

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It's probably just because there's at least one wagon on scum, kuror hasn't posted content today and we need a replacement.

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Pine, why are you townreading kuror?

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Pine, why are you townreading kuror?

It's pretty weak. Mostly a general read on his attitude and his apparent motivation to gamesolve.

I can't tell if you're hopelessly tunneled on persi so you can't see how scummy his case on him was or if you're just scum.

Go back and read it and tell me it doesn't look not a lot like gamesolving but let's find reasons to scumread this guy.

Would you vote dreal?

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We have a lot of time and a replacement coming.

Creature sorry man your reads are probably bad this game.

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Like the only person in that pool I'd even consider voting is kuroi.

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I don't really agree with the scumminess of kuror0's case, but meh. I don't necessarily see the case on drealmerz. What's your thoughts on Jason? He looks more motivated to appear active than actually being productive.

What about it looked like solving the game?
You don't 'necessarily' see the case on drealmerz? What does that mean? What looks town there?
I think jason's town.

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Btw there isn't really a case on drealmerz, that's the best part.

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Jason might be scum.

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The thing about it though is that I think he's voting scum and just plays like this.

Pine I've literally gone back and forth 10 times.

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I'd wagon kuror, mostly because you don't happen to just remember an entire wall case while there's a wagon on that particular subject.

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Welcome andrius. Pretty interesting game so far. Most of us are kinda ready for a flip and have been waiting on content from your slot. Don't let us down!

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Catching up.

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Sly and creature is noise. Sly hasn't made an impression on me at all but I wrote him off for a minute as town cuz gut. More meh on him now.
Tunnel on creature sorta ignores how he plays (minimalistic) most games from what I've seen and I've only posted on this site about a week now.

Think he should know better. Saying he's tunneling on you while he hasn't been doesn't make your fixation there any better either.

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802 is a town-post.

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Don't really like the entrance in 803 all in all like, looks like he's white knighting pine here because he's not taking an entire appreciation of the push that happened and then literally scumreading shadow just for voting pine, who's been posting more town content than a lot of people, while not acknowledging shadow's specific hangups there.

Also towards the end it's mostly bad shade-commentary. Cherry picking posts from a few of his scumreads looks less like solving them and providing examples to fit his reads.

Why this over kuroixhf or Persivul?

Because kuroi might just be annoying terrible town and persivul is among my stronger townreads.
Like, he's made more pushes (strong ones) with actual convictions than everyone in this thread. Whether misreps happened along the way or not it doesn't look like scum letting the game play itself looks like town pushing this shit along.

Where did you get the impression I had a scumread on persi?
What do you think of kuror0's case on persivul + lack of vote?

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Drealmerz waggon is bad. Pine wagon is bad. Persivul jasson would still be my top 2 scum suspects. I skimmed most of whats new due to time constriction. I will read carefully when I get home by monday we will have 4 days let of day phase so it should be enough for everyone to be active and get a better idea who to lynch.

Btw I'm still waiting for creature to explain why he said I was only fluff posting. I'm not on board on his wagon but that has been bugging me.

Scumpost.

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Seriously don't know why there isn't more votes on Drealmerz.

I can sort of understand the Pine wagon, but i'm still meh on it.

what is the case on me exactly that makes it so baffling as to why I don't have more votes?

pretty awful wagon, if you're town you should be offended to be a part of it and if you're scum you should be ashamed you couldn't come up with something better - AtE intended because ffs it's silly I'm being considered here today with what has gone on

and I'm scum because I disagree with that view? your arguments are continuously awful

UNVOTE: Creature

I should have kept it here all along, definitely the stronger scumread, no matter how much creature was pinging me

VOTE: persivul

I'M ASKING A FUCKING QUESTION TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR VIEW OMG

lynch this guy pls

@People townreading this

What am I missing here?

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@Pine & @Persivul

Can both you guys take a step back and recalibrate your reads on one another? You're just omgusing, clearly. It's obvious to me and it will be to both of you as well once you let go of thinking that you're always right and being wrong about you makes someone scum.

Once you're done with that, take a look at the people angling around trying to capitalize on it. Drealmerz is the most prominent example of this, he's held fast to a scumread on both of you guys (for almost the entirety of phase 3), while opportunistically ignoring the dynamic of the pushes and interactions you both have made with eachother. What's more, borrowing your reasoning in places on said reads. Doesn't really make sense, and I doubt it comes from town.

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No you're scum for a whole bunch of different reasons, I'm trying to cure a tvt.

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If I can get you lynched through town realization, I'm gonna try that over relinquishing tells.

Other town sees it, it's up to bad town to compromise and sheep people who know what they're talking about.

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Shaz you really need to get your head back in the game man.

Creature's level 1 lynchbait.

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He's not hard to read, though.

Would you vote dreal?

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Nah he's level -1

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I'm not gonna front, he's alright scum, there's things in there you'll probably townread him for.

Don't fall for it.

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Looking back at things, I don't really know how I feel about Dreal's read progression.

His read progression on who? Just his reads in general?

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No, I'm defending a townread of mine.
Also, if you look at my 803 again you'll notice that you and shadow both occupy a second group that isn't scum.
Yes, I didn't like his vote on Pine.
But I'm not scumreading him, you both are in a secondary tier of TOWN.

Next time label your readslist and you won't need to patronize people.

You still took shaddow voting pine for reasons that weren't his -- you explicitly gave an abridged misrepped version of the case on pine, which came from dunn's terrible vote beginning of phase 3, and used that as leverage in your reads. That's the point.

Uh, no.
I lost alot of content when I lost my post with the first 17-18 pages of reading.

And were there any non-surface level thoughts you lost taht you'd like to share?

Also no one wants to read an old-school replace-in wall of text so I changed my style.

You changed your playstyle for just this occasion? I thought it was because you lost the post?

I wanted to know why you prefer drealmerz over two options I listed. Both scumreads of mine.

All he's doing at this point is flailing. I'm genuinely curious why you think the slot is town. I realize half the game is lynchbait, you having most of them in your scumpool doesn't impress me.

Will have to look back at kuror0's case again.

Have you done this yet btw?

I have come to expect a bit of eccentricity from drealmerz.

That's all I can say.

And that's obvious to anyone reading this game. The question is is it town eccentric or scum eccentric.

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The way his reads overall have moved. He said dunn was scummy, then I was scummy, etc. It gives a vibe of "I'm gonna make shade throwing posts until one gets really picked up on by others, and go with that", but it could easily also be him just looking at people that give him a ping and pressuring them to try and see if they scumclaim.

Now that you mention it, he has scumread a good number of people.

And I think pressuring people is more reserved for if you aren't really sure about your read on the slot.
So the question now is, is he content on his reads (the progressions you're seeing) or not while he's pushing them?

And does he ever truly move on?

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I'll be glad to engage you once you're "with it" (:

And he never did.

Until it was -now-

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Hey slysly why are you townreading shaddowz?

VOTE: kuror0

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this wagon is horrendous I don't think I've ever seen a worse D1 case and wagon

I'm being serious

There isn't a case on you.

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kuror/shaddowz/jason

All good votes.

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Hey slysly why are you townreading shaddowz?

Looking at my notes, basically because nothing jumped out as scummy at me from shaddowz in my read through. Feel free to point out something I may have missed. It's not a strong TR, here's my complete notes on him, "schedules frequent V/LA, no flavor knowledge claimed, "

He's still voting pine ...

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I'm kind of against either Jason or Shaziro having it at this point. It seems kind of odd that neither of them are really considering the mod could have changed up the items at all from what they're expecting.

@dreal
Same thing I said to pine earlier. Your push on persivul is omgus, let's talk about lynching scum.

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Not sure why I quoted that..

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Because I'm a bad mafia player.

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When I focus I'm alright, though.

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Kuror got him pocketed.

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VOTE: Persivul

Finished catching he is quite probably scum followed by culted. I doubt there are more than 2 scums on drealmz wagon, so far I think those 2 are the most probable. Blaming about coordinated attacks when I see the same happening with persi and culted, always chain defense.(is that the right term?)

dreal my man, this man knows you're flipping town.

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huh. I actually have Drealmz as town.

Drealmerz waggon is bad. Pine wagon is bad. Persivul jasson would still be my top 2 scum suspects. I skimmed most of whats new due to time constriction. I will read carefully when I get home by monday we will have 4 days let of day phase so it should be enough for everyone to be active and get a better idea who to lynch.

Btw I'm still waiting for creature to explain why he said I was only fluff posting. I'm not on board on his wagon but that has been bugging me.

Leverage.
Before this there was only a few mentions of dreal (one very minor interaction where kuror talked about correcting dreal on something shaz said - basically meaningless) and then something once before that about agreeing to wait for everyone to check in.

Now, this is weakened by how much these guys haven't posted very frequently (at least dreal until recently -- kuror's presence has just been lurky in general) but this looks like a pretty convenient townread that came about with just about 0 effort to sort.

The confidence to call dreal such a surefire mislynch that he's ready to chainsaw both persivul and I doesn't add up with the rest of the iso.

There's also the matter of him taking something dreal called persivul out for very early game (which was persivul saying that kuror asking to get the item was rolefishing or something I can't really remember) and calling it scummy instead of just calling it a misunderstanding. Thought that in particular was bad before.

But it's worse that kuror kinda took that and ran with it to build a wall case (like seriously read the post sly linked earlier it's the case on persi I've talked about forever) much later on after more potential traction built up around persivul, and made those thoughts his own.

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Kuror0 only has meaning interactions with: shaziro, persivul and shaddowz if I stretch.

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Which aint good, considering his reads.

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@drealmerz

Read the above scumflail -- and think to yourself what would have happened had I not refreshed on a couple isos last night, you'd have gotten ghost ridden all the way to lynch. kuror0 didn't care if you ate rope today, his posts show that clear as day, he only cares about maximizing off your wrongness.

Think about it this way if you want. You're townreading kuror0 because he's literally just another you. His reads are yours for all intents and purposes. But you've never had a chat about reads with him have you?

I held your life in my hands and decided to give you another chance.
Swallow some pride and give me a chance. Give persi a chance. Vote kuror.

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Now this. "calling it scummy instead of just calling it a misunderstanding" why would I call it a misunderstanding when it was a clear misrepresentation?

The idea behind this game is to discern these things from one another, not automatically default to whichever one you want.

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I'm defending someone with a horrible wagon and a strong town tell of mine and culted says it doesn't add to my iso. What the hell does that mean?

You know what it means, or you wouldn't have word vommed about your townread on him just now.

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Can finally rip 679 apart that it isn't the dead of night. Maybe clear the air a bit here.

TL;DR -- This is a scum push. He's convincing Persivul that Persivul is scum here. This ties back into kuror0's about nil meaningful interaction with a majority of the slots in the game and how it doesn't make sense for persi to be one of the 2 maybe three that he's had said meaningful interaction with.

Ok, a couple of things I remembered when re reading.

Right away, this is bad.

this is the context:

Further, he seems to be advocating that the power be openly listed, which is basically rolefishing and is scummy af.

Which of the following is the right one?:
a) you haven't read everything that has been posted.
b) you are a very poor reader.
c) you are intentionally misrepresenting.

d) none of the above

If it is none of the above why you stated that I wanted the power openly listed and I was rolefishing?

@kuror0: You've said a couple times that you'd like to get the item. Why aren't you concerned that you'll be NK'd if you get it? I don't particularly want it as it puts a target on the recipient's back...if they're town...

Mmm rolefishing much?

Terrible. Leading.
Persivul makes a very good point that getting some glorified bastard item day 1 is gonna put a target on your back and that wanting it straight away could come from a scum-mindset easily. Kuror0 calling

that

role fishing him is a stretch and a half.

this is your answer:

If it is none of the above why you stated that I wanted the power openly listed and I was rolefishing?

Parts of 200, 204, 211. You put in some disclaimer language, but you're still fishing for info on the item.

Mmm rolefishing much?

Nope, it was a general comment. It's like in pick your power - sure, getting a high draft gets you a good power, but if you're town it also gets you killed.

So first, your HUGE initial misrepresentation of me.

Now, I believe the misunderstanding here would have been simple. "Fishing for info on the item" here can mean getting the item yourself. kuror0 didn't seem to understand that concept.

And 211 where the first line literally reads "that's why I want as much info on the item as I can"

Let's give the benefit of the doubt that kuror, while pushing for himself to get the item, wasn't talking about himself there.
Why is it scummy that persivul couldn't gather that straight away given the above?

Moving on ... Some bonus highlights.

Spoiler:

One thing is I did say I wanted general info about the rules of the item to get an idea,

Oh that's all.

and remember at that point no one had the item so I said it as an idea and tried to get people to vote for it or against that.

That's fair but why would we vote on that when we can just vote for town to get the item? Doesn't make sense but that's a whole other matter.

And another completely different idea is how you portrayed me. Which was literally "Further, he seems to be advocating that the power be openly listed, which is basically rolefishing and is scummy af."

Scum like to hide IIoA in their babble walls evidently.

"Why aren't you concerned that you'll be NK'd if you get it?" for the first part is setting a precedence that I was not concerned about being NKed and finish saying "it puts a target on the recipient's back...if they're town..." implying that like I wasn't worried I wasn't town.

So ... OMGUS?

The other option was for me to say why I was or wasn't worried which would lead eventually to a role talk. Or what did you expect with your "general comment" or was it just a question that wasn't meant to mean anything and I shouldn't have addressed it?

Him taking the question "why aren't you worried about being NK'd" as a fieldable question to try and spin persi as rolefishing is contrived.

So now I remember I hold those things heavily against you. You neglected info, intentionally misrepresented another player, used that to base your scum read on that player and did an overall set up to make it look bad. And I see no possible town motivation behind it.

There also isn't any town-motivation for pushing your scumreads, apparently.

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Scum on dreal atm is jason more than likely. I don't think more than one scumbag would stick along for a ghost ride.

shaddowez still voting pine is bad like I said.

But kuror's just scum no matter how I look at it.

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I

think

Andrius and I got off on the wrong foot.

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VOTE: Shaddowez

I think his play is too similar to his scum game in Game of Thrones - Episode 2.

How so?

[culted]

I'm here.

[culted]

Kuror wagon

misguided

I hate you.

[culted]

INTENT TO HAMMER

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Let the record show kuror never responded to my shitting on his persi case. :3

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Take this post as you will:

1) The mod could be CHEEKY and add a THERES A CHANCE clause to deliberately leave things open
2) It could not be Jason
3) Role could be scum to protect against a randomly-selected scumdeath, which would be freaking brutal for the scumteam to die randomly

Okay but like he claimed bodyguard. So if he's a scum bodyguard scum still dies if he's saving scum.

I think he just fakeclaimed whatever tbh.

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The fact jason never gave a stance on pine is terribad.

[culted]

I won't say why, but Kurio has gained a few townie points.

The shadow vote.

Dig into that tomorrow.

[culted]

I am here and considering the things

that is the most reasonable thing I've heard persivul say

I can see creature as scum, but that's not a fully comfortable vote as these 3:

I have culted as my top SR now (framing everything HORRIBLY - it justscreams scum in every post almost)

then pers - his framing of things isn't as nearly as atrocious, it's like culted saw what pers was doing and decided to out do it

then jason - I can switch my vote there but with ^ being on that wagon I'd much prefer pers.

I'd like andrius and others to join me on pers. if we're not willing to lynch culted today which it appears probably not (but all it takes is everyone switching their vote!)



kuror and then andrius are my top TRs

Okay yea I was high when I turned around on this. Nobody is this bad.

ESPECIALLY IF JASON FLIPS RED THIS NEVER GOES TO ENDGAME!!!! IMPORTANT

Kuror was the bad town it seems. Or maybe they're both scum.

Vig should aim for scum (in other words don't shoot dunn).

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Actually if jason flips town that post is just as bad.

I'm half tempted to lynch fucking dreal now.

[culted]

Because it looked like yall were talking.

[culted]

Dealing with me?

I took apart your bullshit constructively.

[culted]

Fair enough.

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OH WISE MAFIA OVERLORDS.

The humble peasants of this town have been confused, we have been toxic, we have been mislead, we have spec'd flavor. We are sinners. Hear my call and absolve us of these sins.

Guide my hammer, let this flip scum.

VOTE: JasonWazza

[culted]

That's good news. Might not have time to get to this tonight.

[culted]

We're in the item phase right?

[culted]

VOTE: culted

For president.

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VOTE: dreal

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@mod

- v/la until tuesday will post in the meantime if I can.

[culted]

Clumsy has informed culted that his presence was requested by the people!

Culted will begin reading the thread now!

[culted]

Pine's new avatar makes me want to lynch him.

[culted]

Did we all overlook that the OP now has "in the dread plane"

Was that there before?

[culted]

Oh it's 'alive' and 'dead' im a numbskull.

[culted]

Because scum don't shoot lynchbait, shadow.

pedit: Shaz do dreal and shaddow work as partners?

[culted]

This drealmerz wagon composition is pretty garbage and there've got to be scum in here.

Yea this was what I'm getting at: but I don't want to discount a bus either.

[culted]

This read is so good so far though.

Dreal's claim is actually kinda town maybe? I liked when he asked pine if he could read. lol

pedit: Dunn tell me why you're town.

[culted]

dreals push on me is so cute

[culted]

Dreal, are you -just- a ranger, or a ranger X? If the latter, what is the X? Mind you, this answer tells me if you're lying or not, so I'd really like it.

I don't find this compelling.

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No, you just obviously haven't seen a town role PM. You had me going with the animal messenger, that -is- a thing rangers can do. But so can any of the psychotic druids that work for Strahd that you fight at the Wizard of Wines Winery, for instance.

This once again, as I said upon replace in, assumes that the mod gave scum fakeclaims that would ruin them instantly when forced to claim.

So our options are.
1) Clumsy's a bad mod
2) dreal read his fakeclaim wrong
3) dreal claimed his actual role as scum
4) dreal claimed his actual role as town

Didn't you also push jason on claiming something you thought didn't look right?

[culted]

Your claim does not fit the other town roles I am aware of.

And you're aware of exactly how many?

[culted]

Shaziro, don't get comfy with the notion that all Town roles have an archetype with them. Mine is simply given as 'Cleric.'

That said, there are a lot of inconsistencies with what drealmerz is saying, and the massive amount of AtE he's throwing out screams scum to me

Yuck.

[culted]

Alright I'm caught up now!

VOTE: shaddowez

[culted]

Let me know when you've read all of it, bring up any issues you have then. Piece by piece is just fluffing up postcounts and spamming the thread.

And not answering questions is annoying.

[culted]

Quick iso-dive on shaddowez:

I'm kind of against either Jason or Shaziro having it at this point. It seems kind of odd that neither of them are really considering the mod could have changed up the items at all from what they're expecting.

Right off the bat it this doesn't make sense: Scum and Town can both get hung up or make bad assumptions about flavor.

[Replies to Jason in {post=#8574941]177[/post] and 183}
This is a tad overworded for my taste and the question at the end isn't very good.

If the flavor makes it that much more obvious, do you really think its more helpful to town to be this secretive about what it does?

Just is kinda how I think scum approach pushing town like "do you really" is just keeping the conversation going about the same thing and doesn't seem like something shad as town would care about that much.

But moreover he's apparently scumreading jason for disagreeing with him which is ehhhh.

{post= 309}
Fair to vote Pine for the item given what went down that day but there's an undertone of knowing that Dunn's town by saying "he's unlikely to be NK'd".
Like miller claims hardly come from scum yea but there's certainly a lack of paranoia about it.

{post= 369}
Fair vote but the justification is kinda making me scratch my head "i can't fathom how that could ever come from a town mindset" like continuing the same trend of subtly knowing dunn's alignment; pretty weird.

{post= 497}
Transistions into a scumread on Pine for head-scratchy reasons:

A lot of his actions seem townie in nature, but they're coming across as forced. More detail coming on this.

Townread on me is because "Vedith wouldn't replace out as scum" -- alright.
Says my push on shaz is good -- alright.

But this:

and unless this is Scum theater, I don't see this as SvS.

Is scumsville. He's essentially saying "unless this is scum/scum I don't think this is scum/scum."

Not a real thought.

My other scum lean right now is Jason, he seems to be trying to hide behind the source material. Shaz is doing the same thing, but the key difference to me is how they acted in regard to the amulet once that came into play.

This is also a 'what' kinda thought process.

{post= 515}
Commentary - okay question to kuror - commentary.

{post= 517}
Fair all around but I kinda dislike how he's pretty 'aware' of how he hasn't really addressed why he himself is scumreading pine.

{post= 527}

378 is terrible, as it's saying "I'm going to call you scum, but not strong enough scum to want to lynch you, I'd rather waste a vig shot on you". If there's a scum BP or scum doctor, and they're scum together, that's an easy out also.

411, 412, and 419 all throw shade at Dunn, yet he still never votes for him.

This is a bit contrived imo?

Like Pine clearly has a sort of, what's the word, different theory take on millers than you do apparently? (Even though earlier on he said that dunn likely wouldn't be NK'd based on his claim???) But he's taking that theory dissagreement and making a pretty flaccid and over-justified scumread out of it.

Shall I continue or can I get a couple more shadow votes?

[culted]

It's time to vote shadow.

Pine's town.
Dreal's bad town.

Four days is an eternity.

[culted]

I'll finish off shadow's iso tonight then.

[culted]

I'm here just drowning in the Pine/drealmerz dilemma and don't like the third option.
The fact that it comes from culted contributes.

Wait you think I'm scum? Why?

What pine/dreal dilemma?

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It's time to vote shadow.

Pine's town.
Dreal's bad town.

Four days is an eternity.

Deja vu all over again. Didn't work well first time, did it?

I compromised on jason.

This is me trying to avoid deja vu if anything.

[culted]

I mean I wouldn't dance in your blood if you died overnight but I wouldn't be sad either.

This makes me sad.

Yea I've neglected this game.

I've neglected other games.

Busy time of year mate.

[culted]

shadow doesn't flip town

[culted]

Doesn't help my gut at all.

Really?
Gut?

I'm not impressed by the "why didn't scum steal from pine but stole from culted" thing especially when you're scumreading both of us.

[culted]

And I'm down to never lynch whoever shaz says we should be based on role at this point. : 3

[culted]

Why do you think shaz is town?

[culted]

Okay then you see where I'm coming from on the thing I said before then.

[culted]

How do those reads make any sense to you at all?

pedit: sly's town

andy's weird

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MEEEEEH

Andy might be town lol.

Dreal would you vote shad?

[culted]

Give me a fucking break with this.

How could you possibly have a tr on shaddow?

[culted]

Let me guess.

You're still townreading kuror as well

[culted]

he's game-solving and looking at things objectively...

he's game-solving and looking at things objectively...

yes, kuror is #1

wez #2

If shaz is town this might be the team : 3

[culted]

Pine gets it he's town.

[culted]

you really think I'm scum and would name my scumbuddies as my top 2 townreads?

...

You strike me as that kind of scum but you might just be that bad too

you're a mysterious one

[culted]

Townbloc go!
Culted/persi/andy/sly/pine/dreal and dunn until he gets vig'd or policy'd

[culted]

throw in kuroi too

[culted]

How weird is it that we posted our blocs at the same time.

[culted]

Yeah uh I tried to be subtle when I asked about pigeons.
Yeah, it was a pigeon. That spoke. shrug

Vote: shaddow

<3

[culted]

presi get in on this babe

[culted]

sly can you vote shadow pretty pleeze? : 3

[culted]

Persiiiiii you don't want me to dignify that post with a response trust me.

Why's pine and dreal scum?

Why do you think shadow is town?

[culted]

Ugh. I could compromise on Shaddow. I think there's less chance of him being scum than Dunn, but he's gotta go sometime.

VOTE: Shaddow

Flash wagon gogogo

This is the worst post of the game. This needs lynched.

VOTE: Pine

Persi
baby
that's a town post

[culted]

Shadow

is

scum.
Vote him.

[culted]

you guys are all so fucking silly

persi like my dude that pine post was the first time he let loose and took a chance put himself out there.
I think he might've saw what I saw.

kuror0 is a scumfuck too btw.

[culted]

Oh nicely done!

[culted]

I agree!

Setup was fun. Adventures were kinda meh but that's probably just because I didn't really get the flavor.

Kuror0 sorry for the misread bro that hammer on shaddowez, though.

Persi -- couldn't have asked for a better mason-buddy.

Everyone else sorry for being such an absolute lurkfuck at spots but when I was around I tried.

I thought dunn was recruited but apparently he was just aligned with another faction or something??

[culted]

Ah. I got confused by the different colored red and strahnd not being specifically mentioned anywhere in his PM.

And also in shaddowez flip you only redacted 1 name so I thought it was like 2 scum + a couple recruitable things or a traitor. : 3

[culted]

dreal still thinks im scum too

[culted]

"dramatic retelling of the events in curse of strahd mafia"

im dying right now

[culted]

"dramatic retelling of the events in curse of strahd mafia"

im dying right now

<3

MAYBE ILL MAKE PART TWO???

YES

Next clusmy game when?