Newbie 1766 - Game Over

[ThinkBig]

I agree. Zekro's post feels very contrived and forced.

[ThinkBig]

If we can form a 4-5 person town block, we can win this game today.

[Zekromaster]

This is strange. It doesn't fit the rest of Zekrom posts. It's beautifully writen and full of buzzwords. Does anyone else think this is coaching?

Could you explain your Hanlon's Razor Kyouko townread to me?

1) More like I finally can give playing the time it needs as I have more free time without the holidays (and all that comes with them, as a theatre actor on a turistic island is one of the periods with the most work). I'm capable of writing and reasoning pretty well when I have the time to do it.

2) His actions look townish to me, even considering some of his errors like "baiting" the cop (which may as well been because he reached the same conclusion as me about TB and lucca, but this is purely hypothetical). I prefer not to yell "scum" just because a minority of his actions look scummy, there's no need to attribute to malice what I can attribute to "stupidity" (in this case, bad playing). Also, NullTown means pretty much "Neutral but looks townish".

[Huntress]

Vote Count 2.1

Zekromaster (3) - Aeronaut, Sofiel, the_end
Sofiel (1) - lucca261
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - ThinkBig

Not voting (3) - rb, ssbm_Kyouko, Zekromaster


With eight players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Friday, 20th January 22.30 GMT, (in (expired on 2017-01-20 22:30:00)).

Notes

Repeating this: Can you please put all votes on a new line, not inside a block of text. (I'll count them anyway but it's good practice and a few mods won't count them if they are not separated out.)

Also, please ensure that any colours you use show up clearly in both the MafSilver and MafBlack themes (as requested in Rule 10). The yellow used in post 297 doesn't work well with the MafSilver theme.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

OK so the end and zekro were both L-2 when FC voted the end. When I voted FC and he gained some traction (Sofiel had been parked on FC a while). FC wagon was counter to whichever of the_end/zekro is scum, assuming town doesnt have it's head up it's ass wagoning 2 town and letting coast chill between the wagons/on vanity wagons. TB moved off of the L-1 the_end to vote FC. TB isn't the lynch today obviously but I want everyone to know this for later if the_end is scum. I also led the FC wagon (even though Sofiel was already there) so that should be remembered if the_end is scum.

the_end and Lucca both moved off of the Zeke wagon to the FC wagon. This indicates FC was not a counter to Zeke unless one of them was bussing Zeke. Lucca can't be bussing Zeke because he can only be scum with TB, but it's still possible the_end was bussing Zeke. I'm feeling the_end for scum from this. Possibly with Sofiel but I think the_end is more likely

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: the_end

[rb]

ThinkBig is town. Ssbm is town.

Aeronaut is kinda town and I can work with him for the day. I don't think it's anything but paranoia that makes me think he's scum because I don't see many scummy things tbh.

Townblock: TB, ssbm, Aeronaut, rb

we lynch from the other 4.

[the_end]

OK so the end and zekro were both L-2 when FC voted the end. When I voted FC and he gained some traction (Sofiel had been parked on FC a while). FC wagon was counter to whichever of the_end/zekro is scum, assuming town doesnt have it's head up it's ass wagoning 2 town and letting coast chill between the wagons/on vanity wagons. TB moved off of the L-1 the_end to vote FC. TB isn't the lynch today obviously but I want everyone to know this for later if the_end is scum. I also led the FC wagon (even though Sofiel was already there) so that should be remembered if the_end is scum.

the_end and Lucca both moved off of the Zeke wagon to the FC wagon. This indicates FC was not a counter to Zeke unless one of them was bussing Zeke. Lucca can't be bussing Zeke because he can only be scum with TB, but it's still possible the_end was bussing Zeke. I'm feeling the_end for scum from this. Possibly with Sofiel but I think the_end is more likely

False! I was never on Zekro's wagon. I had mentioned my suspicions about him but I never actually voted for Zekro. My vote had been on Sofiel for the most part of D1. In fact, when Lucca asked me about lynching Zekro I said I'd rather vote FC (which is what I did).
You're lying to get a quick lynch going on me and trying to divert attention from the current zekro wagon. YOU were the one who took your vote off zekro on D1 and voted for FC instead.

VOTE: ssbm

[Zekromaster]

the_end and TB are on ssbm.
There are two chances, and they both include one of them being town and one of them being scum, as I'm pretty sure the_end is scum. But TB may be conf!town. There's also lucca, who's voting Sofiel. This basically means ssbm is town.

Knowing TB and lucca may only be scum together, why would they push for different people? I thought lucca would've changed his vote, using Sofiel just as an "excuse" because there are scumreads on him, but he didn't, making me believe he actually sees Sofiel as scum, and is thus town.

Seeing as my reasoning may be pretty flawed, I'd like to ask the_end, TB and lucca why are they voting who they are voting, and I'd like a readslist or at least an analysis of the situation from ssbm.

[Zekromaster]

My townreads on Aeronaut and rb stay, obviously.

[lucca261]

the_end and TB are on ssbm.
There are two chances, and they both include one of them being town and one of them being scum, as I'm pretty sure the_end is scum. But TB may be conf!town. There's also lucca, who's voting Sofiel. This basically means ssbm is town.

Knowing TB and lucca may only be scum together, why would they push for different people? I thought lucca would've changed his vote, using Sofiel just as an "excuse" because there are scumreads on him, but he didn't, making me believe he actually sees Sofiel as scum, and is thus town.

Seeing as my reasoning may be pretty flawed, I'd like to ask the_end, TB and lucca why are they voting who they are voting, and I'd like a readslist or at least an analysis of the situation from ssbm.

dude, we're not scum partners together. if we were, someone would have cc'ed think already, and we would be both going down.

my #298 has a analysis of why i'm voting Sofiel. I'll probably voe you next, since I'm starting to think it's you and Kyouko, though.

[lucca261]

VOTE: Zekromaster

We just need to find his scum partner, Kyouko or Sofiel.

if there's a town block: me, think and aero. maybe rb. the rest is suspect.

[Sofiel]

@rb (ref to 306): lucca's been conf town, is there any reason he's not in your townblock? do you doubt the veracity of the confirmation at all?
@zekro: you're at l-1 now, is there anything you want to say to convince us to not continue having our votes on you?

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I don't have much to say against the scum-reads people have of me. Starting a wagon on FC obviously didn't work out but I think my reasonings made sense tbh & I know my role and alignment and imo am playing town as best as I can. The planning ahead bit is a weird criticism but that's just who I am tbh can't change that. I'm a strategy game ho lmao

With regards to townblock: I wonder if the conf town thing hasn't been counterclaimed because PR doesn't want to come out and say they're a PR so they don't get nightkilled/removed from play? It's either a jailer/doctor/1-shot townie and I'm wondering if maybe they're just playing their cards close to their chest? @SEs/IC has that ever happened before in your experience? (I hope that's a question I can ask.)

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Also sorry for embedding my vote Huntress! I didn't know that was bad but it makes sense now

[ThinkBig]

Intent to hammer

[ThinkBig]

I think town should easily win this game. We have a strong town block. If there is a cop, claim tomorrow with your results. That will give us three more confirmed townies and will guarantee us the win.

I'm most likely dead tonight. RIP me.

[ThinkBig]

Knowing TB and lucca may only be scum together, why would they push for different people? I thought lucca would've changed his vote, using Sofiel just as an "excuse" because there are scumreads on him, but he didn't, making me believe he actually sees Sofiel as scum, and is thus town.

If we were scum together, there's no way I'd "confirm" my scum buddy as town. That's just really bad play from scum.

[ThinkBig]

ThinkBig is town. Ssbm is town.

Aeronaut is kinda town and I can work with him for the day. I don't think it's anything but paranoia that makes me think he's scum because I don't see many scummy things tbh.

Townblock: TB, ssbm, Aeronaut, rb

we lynch from the other 4.

Why do you think ssbm is town? Also lucca is conf!town, why isn't he in your town block?

[ThinkBig]

I have a slight town lean on the_end. He was an easy mislynch for scum and his wagon was most likely scum driven.

Town Block

-Myself
-Lucca
-Aeronaut
-RB

Most likely town

-the_end

this leaves:
-Sofiel
-ssbm
-zekromaster

Once again, I hereby declare my

intent to hammer

on zekromaster

[lucca261]

he's not at L1.

[ThinkBig]

he's not at L1.

Yes he is. Your vote put him at L-1.

[lucca261]

end unvoted him.

[ThinkBig]

Didn't see that.

[Huntress]

Vote Count 2.2

Zekromaster (3) - Aeronaut, Sofiel, lucca261
ssbm_Kyouko (2) - ThinkBig, the_end
the_end (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (2) - rb, Zekromaster


With eight players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Friday, 20th January 22.30 GMT, (in (expired on 2017-01-20 22:30:00)).

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Zekromaster

That should be L1

[Aeronaut]

UNVOTE:

I've got to finish up grading some papers tonight, but I'd like to look at everything that's happened again before I do anything dumb.