Newbie 1767 | Winter | Endgame

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I'm replacing Selynee!

only 12 pages on Day 2? What a shame let's get this rolling!

Ima catch-up here in a bit and wil be back with my thoughts!

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Also are there any claims on the table right now? Before I read up

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K im here

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my reads for scum are lucca, sens, and Fred.... from scummiest to least scummiest

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Lucca has been very wishywashy and his posts are all filler... and he says everyone is weird and suspicious and racted weakly to pressure. i would be most comfortable with his lynch today.
SensFan is... idk mostly a gut read here and i don't like that hammer. At all.
Fred seems to be not contributing... but i see him posting a lot it just seems as if hes background noise and filling the space. with nothing

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Sickofit: Your top two scumreads are lucca and I? Is that a scumpairing in your mind, or mutually exclusive?

individual scumreads im not doing accosiatives quite yet.

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TheBrie is also 100% town here, this is not a newb scum talking as loopdan pointed out

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why was there a no-kill? If there was a bulletproof that was hit please claim.

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If there is a doctor in this setup what are the advantages/disadvantages of them claiming?

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so, since when I am a scumread of you? what are your thoughts on fred, loopdan?

nice deflection

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by the way i'm going to get a seizure next time i see Fred's Avi.

Not joking.

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Why shouldn't bulletproof claim in this set up if they were hit? They are just a VT now.

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Sickofit: Your top two scumreads are lucca and I? Is that a scumpairing in your mind, or mutually exclusive?

individual scumreads

im not doing accosiatives quite yet.

If I flipped Scum, would that make lucca look more or less likely to be Scum?
If lucca flipped Scum, would that make me look more or less likely to be Scum?

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I mean I understand doctor not claiming would be good but why not BP? Waiting for L-1 to claim BP does nothing.

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Hmm I disagree. I'm not gonna push it though.

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Sickofit: Your top two scumreads are lucca and I? Is that a scumpairing in your mind, or mutually exclusive?

individual scumreads

im not doing accosiatives quite yet.

If I flipped Scum, would that make lucca look more or less likely to be Scum?
If lucca flipped Scum, would that make me look more or less likely to be Scum?

I'm not asking you to associate two people who are alive and you don't know their roles.

Assume I get modkilled right now and flip Scum. You know 100% I was Scum this game. What would your thoughts on lucca be?
Likewise for if lucca got modkilled and flipped. Scum. What would your thoughts on me be?

I don't see anything that makes you likely buddies or unlikely buddies. If you flipped scum I would still push my Luca lynch

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Oh it's on. Prepare for your world to be rocked.

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Actually I need to change that. Thanks for reminding me.
VOTE: lucca

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Hmm I always assumed BP was told if he was hit or not. My bad.

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lucca and huntress have been the two that have stood out to me as particularly scummy in the early parts of today. Huntress in particular seems super eager to put all of a D1 lynch on one person, and has been around the block way too much to seriously think that 'one time someone did this thing and was Scum' is at all relevant.

TheBrie is super raw, which is making it hard for me to read her. For now I think I'm willing to put her in the Town pile until a bit later, but plan on looking back at her stances on people when we get more flips. I think she's the least likely to have been able to look natural as Scum looking back in hindsight on stuff like a Scum wagon.

Loopdan and I seem to naturally be on the same page on most/all issues, which makes me inclined he's looking at the game sincerely.

I don't feel like I have a good grasp on Fred/Selynee/Rask right now, though I should go back. I feel like I remember finding Fred suspicious on D1 and I'm not sure why.

Don't like this post. You have zero substance reads, save for Loopdan.

So you have four null reads, Loopdan as town, me as scum without explaining it and Huntress as scum because she put the hammer exclusively on you? You explain the total of two reads. All the other ones are unexplained.

This "readslist" feels like you are trying too hard to make your options open. If you need to ever vote one of your four null votes, by this, you can just say "Hey, I re-read then and they're scum".

Btw this is scum distancing from their partner when I called them out.

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What's been so hard about this game? I'm finding it getting a bit harder now that every one seems to be cross-voting. but before it didn't seem bad.

knew it was coming.

finally somebody votes me. was starting to get lonely.

That sounds like you're trying to laugh your vote off. As if it's not a big deal. Not that it is very big yet.

I never said that Huntress was scum. I said that I was thinking that maybe the only scum vote on that wagon was Huntress.

I think I know what you means, but that sounds rather contradictory.

Reads now:
Loopdan, likely town
Selynee, likely town, but not as strongly as before
Fred, null. He hasn't said enough for me to read him, but my gut says not scum
Rask, sounds town, but I'm not sure.
Sensfan, Null. leaning slightly town
Huntress, slightly scummy and I don't see any reason to shift my vote.
Lucca, leaning slightly scummy

@Lucca

Reread this and tell me that this is coming from someone's first game and they are scum.

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VOTE: Sickofit

Confortable with voting him with this entrance. It's the scummiest thing that happened all game.

This is a terrible OMGUS.

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lucca and huntress have been the two that have stood out to me as particularly scummy in the early parts of today. Huntress in particular seems super eager to put all of a D1 lynch on one person, and has been around the block way too much to seriously think that 'one time someone did this thing and was Scum' is at all relevant.

TheBrie is super raw, which is making it hard for me to read her. For now I think I'm willing to put her in the Town pile until a bit later, but plan on looking back at her stances on people when we get more flips. I think she's the least likely to have been able to look natural as Scum looking back in hindsight on stuff like a Scum wagon.

Loopdan and I seem to naturally be on the same page on most/all issues, which makes me inclined he's looking at the game sincerely.

I don't feel like I have a good grasp on Fred/Selynee/Rask right now, though I should go back. I feel like I remember finding Fred suspicious on D1 and I'm not sure why.

Don't like this post. You have zero substance reads, save for Loopdan.

So you have four null reads, Loopdan as town, me as scum without explaining it and Huntress as scum because she put the hammer exclusively on you? You explain the total of two reads. All the other ones are unexplained.

This "readslist" feels like you are trying too hard to make your options open. If you need to ever vote one of your four null votes, by this, you can just say "Hey, I re-read then and they're scum".

Btw this is scum distancing from their partner when I called them out.

Posts like this are what make me throw out all the stuff you've said that looked reasonable.

Why would you do that?

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Lolol

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Lucca and sens are the scumteam. Thank me later.


Let's toy with this. Sens what's your full read on lucca?

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I asked what YOUR read on lucca is.

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I called it distancing.

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My point is that he's doing this weak push on you but not really pushing it or even accompanying with a vote. But when I come up and push him he immediately bites me back saying I'm full of shit. He then goes back to thigs weak shade throwing on you and when I call out a scumteam of lucca and you YOU start discrediting me for something I quoted HIM on. Do you see what I mean here?

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More discrediting. I said that cuz I literally just finished skimming through the game? I've went over it again and am more comfortable where I stand. I AM a replacement yeah?

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Omg my last two posts were literally responses to that.

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@Fres I was just asking if anybody had claimed anything yet cuz I find it useful to read the game with all claims in mind

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Hmm Fred is back in my scumpool.

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Lynch Lucca, sensfan and Fredrick in this order and we should win.

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Don't lose sight of scum!lucca here. Fred can wait his turn for the rope.

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@Huntress-- Why aren't you answering 356? Who are your town reads?

If Fred flips scum, that vote by Huntress looks like a bus combined with the foundation for her mislynch push on me tomorrow.

So let's make this L-1.

VOTE: Fred

Someone asked why Sens is town.
In a nutshell, he is transparent and is making plays to catch scum. His reads are similar to mine. He also pretty early on eliminated in my mind the possibility that he is scum with either Fred or Brie. And I'm buying that his uncounted hammer was intentionally messed up to extend the day. To be fair, he's dropped a little bit the last page, but is still on the town side of my reads.

Where did your lucca scumread go?

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Sensfan is only pushing the people that have pushed him it seems. I disagree nadpool that he is "obvtown". And then having the same readslist as you is not a valid reason to TR them.

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Also all he's done in the past couple pages is throw shade at me and fred.

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Loopdan. Phone posting sorry

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@Lucca what was your question? I don't feel like reading back right now.

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Btw is this more of sensfan only interacting and discrediting whoever dares to touch him.

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Yay let's lynch Sensfan together Rask <3

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VOTE: Sensfan

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Yay let's lynch Sensfan together Rask <3

Does this mean you think Fred isn't scum? Or have you given up on Lucca? Or are you unsure about all of them?

Is rather lynch Lucca over dens but I'm still happy with a sens lynch since the lucca wagon crumbled onto the Fred wagon. And I'd rather lynch Sens than Fred.

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Plus all I'm seeing is more Sensfan BS OMGUS

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@Sensfan I already explained and Rask has explained - that we are not wrong about the game events and your repeating over and over again that we're wrong. That's the only "scumhubting" you're doing (if you can call it that).

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We've both made a couple to several posts (in Rask's case) that have pointed out what exactly we are saying yet you are completely ignoring it just so you can continue to OMGUS said person. That is more than enough reason to lynch in my book.

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^^^
do I need to read this it looks intimidatingly large and when i attempt to read it everything blurs together.

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Point to me where there was filler on my posts. I want you to do it, because I think you were just using this word to make the case feel "bigger".

? Look at your ISO.

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Spoiler:

People change their mind, go inactive, get bored. Scum have time to come up with a fakeclaim. I've seen countless times where people are wagoned to L-1 with intent to lynch pending a claim, they refuse to claim, and people chicken out and don't force the issue.

Four people were content voting him. I gave 24h notice that I would hammer if there was no claim, and no one unvoted. I hammered. Don't try and put that all on me.

I don't like this. Seems that your only concern is that people are blaming you for the hammer.

Don't try and put that all on me.

is weird. Seems weirdly defensive. Of course people are putting the blame on you, you hammered with a lot of time left.

The hammer is kinda scummy? Yes, but the defensive stance you're doing is starting to concern me more.

Weird that Selynee requested replacement after her weird vote on Rasko. Not saying that it's scummy. Just weird.

Another weird thing is the lack of posts from Fred on D2. He was so active D1, and now seems to be just trying to avoid pressure.

@fred, do you still think that Loopdan is scum? if so, why?
@loopdan, who is your top scumread right now? sensfan, fred, me or huntress?
@rasko, now that we know Echo's flip, how do you read his wagon? I'm trying to do it, and is only making me more paranoid.

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last day wagon seemed weird. there wasn't a lot of pressure on people, but the votes started to pile up quickly, leading to the hammer. I'm starting to think that there is no scum on that wagon, save for maybe Huntress.

I'm starting to get paranoid here, and this is not good. At the moment I don't townread anyone, save for maybe Rasko.

VOTE: Frederick

What's been so hard about this game? I'm finding it getting a bit harder now that every one seems to be cross-voting. but before it didn't seem bad.

knew it was coming.

finally somebody votes me. was starting to get lonely.

That sounds like you're trying to laugh your vote off. As if it's not a big deal. Not that it is very big yet.

It's not a big deal right now. I was expecting someone to vote me.

I say right now because I think it's possible that scum might wagon me. I did have some scummy posts last day, and no player has a townread on me. So it would be easy to scum to wagon me, since they don't have a hard stance on me right now.

Hey, by your readlist you should be voting me. Why aren't you? Also, how Fred hasn't said enough for you to read him. He has said a lot.

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There are so many posts just like this where you just start rambling on and literally offering nothing.

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Preparing a big post for tomorrow. Sorry for my lack of activity so far. Tomorrow this is changing.

I'm here Rasko. Posting now.

preparing a big post right now. let's go.

thought this was gonna be bigger.

Posting right now. Let's go.

Preparing a big post right now let's go

^^^ I'm naming you Donald Trump. You're so concerned about making walls

but seriously isnt this... well...

weird

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Spoiler:

People change their mind, go inactive, get bored. Scum have time to come up with a fakeclaim. I've seen countless times where people are wagoned to L-1 with intent to lynch pending a claim, they refuse to claim, and people chicken out and don't force the issue.

Four people were content voting him. I gave 24h notice that I would hammer if there was no claim, and no one unvoted. I hammered. Don't try and put that all on me.

I don't like this. Seems that your only concern is that people are blaming you for the hammer.

Don't try and put that all on me.

is weird. Seems weirdly defensive. Of course people are putting the blame on you, you hammered with a lot of time left.

The hammer is kinda scummy? Yes, but the defensive stance you're doing is starting to concern me more.

Weird that Selynee requested replacement after her weird vote on Rasko. Not saying that it's scummy. Just weird.

Another weird thing is the lack of posts from Fred on D2. He was so active D1, and now seems to be just trying to avoid pressure.

@fred, do you still think that Loopdan is scum? if so, why?
@loopdan, who is your top scumread right now? sensfan, fred, me or huntress?
@rasko, now that we know Echo's flip, how do you read his wagon? I'm trying to do it, and is only making me more paranoid.

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last day wagon seemed weird. there wasn't a lot of pressure on people, but the votes started to pile up quickly, leading to the hammer. I'm starting to think that there is no scum on that wagon, save for maybe Huntress.

I'm starting to get paranoid here, and this is not good. At the moment I don't townread anyone, save for maybe Rasko.

VOTE: Frederick

What's been so hard about this game? I'm finding it getting a bit harder now that every one seems to be cross-voting. but before it didn't seem bad.

knew it was coming.

finally somebody votes me. was starting to get lonely.

That sounds like you're trying to laugh your vote off. As if it's not a big deal. Not that it is very big yet.

It's not a big deal right now. I was expecting someone to vote me.

I say right now because I think it's possible that scum might wagon me. I did have some scummy posts last day, and no player has a townread on me. So it would be easy to scum to wagon me, since they don't have a hard stance on me right now.

Hey, by your readlist you should be voting me. Why aren't you? Also, how Fred hasn't said enough for you to read him. He has said a lot.

Point the quotes. I see no filler.

"im getting paranoid of fred, im getting paranoid of Sens.... loopdan is acting weird...." i fell like you're trying to make walls of text out of everything by saying nothing.

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literally he posted a readlist and said he thought it was gonna be bigger. Like why are you so self conscious about how bug your readlists look?

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Preparing a big post for tomorrow. Sorry for my lack of activity so far. Tomorrow this is changing.

I'm here Rasko. Posting now.

preparing a big post right now. let's go.

thought this was gonna be bigger.

Posting right now. Let's go.

Preparing a big post right now let's go

^^^ I'm naming you Donald Trump. You're so concerned about making walls

but seriously isnt this... well...

weird

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I do this at every alignment and every game I play. You're welcome to check my other games, If you doubt this.

Ive already done a meta dive of you... and i've seen a couple times where you want to do a big catchup post or something but not to this extent

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literally he posted a readlist and said he thought it was gonna be bigger. Like why are you so self conscious about how bug your readlists look?

I thought I said several times that I was having difficult reading this game. Expected to be bigger = expected to have more definitive reads. Context is important.

I feel like that is a bit of a stretch considering all your "big posts coming". I feel like my point is made

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VOTE: lucca[/vote
You deserve the vote more than sens at this point.

Sens I would like to come back and revisit my read on you at some point i feel as if i could be confBiasing my read on you.

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VOTE: lucca

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lol change in tone? You can keep trying to read me. I have not seen anything in your games with as much reputation and obnoxiousness as I am seeing here.

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Oh and @sickofit, your avatar is more annoying to me than Fred's. Maybe not epilepsy causing, but I hate animated gifs. Particularly coloured fast paced ones. Loopdan's isn't so bad.

K avatar changed.

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Strangely my Lucca vote wasn't actually spurred directly by Lucca doing something scummy. It started with his reaction to the first vote on him, but I stayed on Huntress then. A little later Huntress had some posts that made her sound less scummy so I swapped.

Also Sickofit came in with various accusations against Lucca which strengthened my reasons

. (Partly because I had a town read for Selynee) Lucca certainly isn't cleared yet in my mind, so I'll stay there until further developments.

strengthened reasons for what?

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nah my entry was pretty much normal.... and Space, as Sens said, did really enter the game yet lol

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Yay space vote lucca with me

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I would certainly be fine with a lynch on

lucca

today but would want to wait before casting a vote.

EBWOP

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i would much rather lynch lucca then Soblev/Fred here. I dont feel that lynching soblev will result in a scum flip or even give as much information as a lucca ir sensfan lynch would.

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What information do you expect to gain from a lucca flip?
What about a Sens flip?

more especially the lucca wagon because of the general iffiness around it. If they flip town i think we can find the scum, and if they flip scum i bet we can find the other scum

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I'm waiting patiently for Sobkev to vote lucca.

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Good things come for those whoops wait.

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what do you want me to say Sensfan? Since your such a good town leader

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Good things come for those

who

wait.

EBWODP

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what do you want me to say

Well, you could try replying to my 476.

You could try reading my my ISO, I've explained everything I've said multiple times.

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Holding their vote gives me town vibes. While it may not be the best play for town it's certainly not a scum play.

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Well for one it would make loopdan look a lot scummier. Because how he pushed the wagon but kinda abandoned it for a Fred wagon. This is the major one i have in my head right now.... depending on the flip i would definitely revisit it.

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Not buddying you, just waiting for you to vote scum with me

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I posts several small posts and have a couple that are filler content... but when someone's posts are big and are talking but at the same time not talking, that's scummy.

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Half of those posts were in the last couple of pages where I'm simply waiting for Something to happen. I'm NOT getting on the soblev wagon and I've made my cases on lucca.

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You're still shadethrowing at me. But you're not even pushing my lynch?

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You're still shadethrowing at me. But you're not even pushing my lynch?

Not right now. Much more interested in seeing Fred's slot get hung. Nothing against Soblev, but unfortunately the sins of Fred are still too much for me, and that's not something a replacement can change.

I'm not even convinced through and through you're Scum, to be honest. I think you might just be making bad arguments but from an honest place.

You must be joking.

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NO DONT HAMMER SOBLEV

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Unless he does something REALLY bad today, Soblev is NOT our lynch for today.

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@TheBrie
You should always have them claim before a hammer.

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^^^

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Gg guys! Kind of an unlucky break for scum there! Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes hope nobody takes it personally.

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I was kinda avoiding Rask to HOPE I wasn't Night killed but it didn't happen. I was very paranoid at first but when Rask soft CC'd soblev I thought he was doctor for sure. Was really God game and I had fun playing with y'all.