Newbie 1767 | Winter | Endgame

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 2.07

Fredrick E Campbell

(4): Raskolnikov, SensFan, Huntress, Loopdan

lucca261

(2): TheBrie, Sickofit1138

SensFan

(1): Fredrick E Campbell

Sickofit1138

(1): lucca261

Not Voting

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With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-01-22 06:30:00)

Notes:

[Raskolnikov]

Catching up.

[lucca261]

Don't lose sight of scum!lucca here. Fred can wait his turn for the rope.

Answer my filler question. Or you can't, because your case is something you made up on the fly?

If Fred flips scum, that vote by Huntress looks like a bus combined with the foundation for her mislynch push on me tomorrow.

So let's make this L-1.

VOTE: Fred

Do you think Huntress would bus Fred right now, considering that she is not on a very good position right now, and there is probably two or three more lynches?

I realize that by saying this I could be proving your point right now, But I don't think it would be a good play for someone who barely townread by anyone.

Since people have bugged me to pass my reads...
Sickofit1138: Town for being attempting to guess who's scum.
Huntress: Someone like me. I'm nullreading Huntress.
TheBrie: Seems to be more likely than not to be town. A definite townread.
Loopdan: Trying to sherlock the game. Awarded a townread.
Raskolnikov: Trying to sherlock the game as well. Awarded a townread.
SensFan: Mysterious hammer and mysterious read. A scumread.
lucca261: Seems trying to solve the game. A townread.

Hey, I think it's you and Sicko. So now I'm clear because I'm attempting to guess who's scum?

Don't like this post. Seems like made up reasons, just because he was pressured to made a readslist.

@Huntress-- Why aren't you answering 356? Who are your town reads?

Why do you need to know? I don't often do full read lists in the first Day or two of a game, but at the moment my town reads are basically everyone who I'm not calling scum.

Scum often prefer not giving townreads as it limits their lynch options. You have noticeably not offered TRs.

So, what do you think of Fred readslist, with six townreads and one null? By your definition, is that a town post?

[lucca261]

Brie seemed to disappear since she stopped getting pressured. Where are you?

So, Fred is at L-1. I have no problem at hammering him, but I want more posting from Rasko, who is catching up, Brie, to show up, and Sicko.

Would lynch Sicko today, but Fred is a nice consolation prize.

[TheBrie]

@Huntress-- Why aren't you answering 356? Who are your town reads?

Why do you need to know? I don't often do full read lists in the first Day or two of a game, but at the moment my town reads are basically everyone who I'm not calling scum.

Scum often prefer not giving townreads as it limits their lynch options. You have noticeably not offered TRs.

Yet in contrast, Fred has given town reads. I'm not saying he's town, but it's going to be hard for him to consistently lynch anyone other than Sensfan. While if he's trying to be invisible and let us kill each other, it's not working too well.

One thing I'll say for certain is that if Fred is scum, Sensfan is pretty clear. While if we lynched Lucca and he was scum, it'd be harder to pick up his partner.

[lucca261]

@Huntress-- Why aren't you answering 356? Who are your town reads?

Why do you need to know? I don't often do full read lists in the first Day or two of a game, but at the moment my town reads are basically everyone who I'm not calling scum.

Scum often prefer not giving townreads as it limits their lynch options. You have noticeably not offered TRs.

Yet in contrast, Fred has given town reads. I'm not saying he's town, but it's going to be hard for him to consistently lynch anyone other than Sensfan. While if he's trying to be invisible and let us kill each other, it's not working too well.

One thing I'll say for certain is that if Fred is scum, Sensfan is pretty clear. While if we lynched Lucca and he was scum, it'd be harder to pick up his partner.

why would Sensfan be clear with a Fred lynch? I think it would clear Rasko more.

[TheBrie]

Brie seemed to disappear since she stopped getting pressured. Where are you?

I've been a bit busy in real life and haven't had much to add. Other than more people voting Fred, not much has happened.
But if I have anything potentially useful, I will post.

The way Fred and Sensfan have been at each other feels too real to be bussing. I haven't noticed much between Rask and Fred.

[TheBrie]

Not saying it wouldn't clear Rask either, jusr was thinking about Sensfan.

[Raskolnikov]

Your attitude? I'm sick of it.

Vote: Fred

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Attitude or the vote being on you?

I agree with sick on this one, you've so far mostly reacted to those who've been on you and kind of ignored those who haven't.

I'm not sure how to reconcile your play altogether here with your joindate tbh, d1-end particularly.

[Raskolnikov]

Since people have bugged me to pass my reads...
Sickofit1138: Town for being attempting to guess who's scum.
Huntress: Someone like me. I'm nullreading Huntress.
TheBrie: Seems to be more likely than not to be town. A definite townread.
Loopdan: Trying to sherlock the game. Awarded a townread.
Raskolnikov: Trying to sherlock the game as well. Awarded a townread.
SensFan: Mysterious hammer and mysterious read. A scumread.
lucca261: Seems trying to solve the game. A townread.

How much game experience do you actually have?

Does it not bother you that you only have 1 scumread and 1 null? Are you confident on all of your townreads?

[SensFan]

Your attitude? I'm sick of it.

Vote: Fred

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Attitude or the vote being on you?

I agree with sick on this one, you've so far mostly reacted to those who've been on you and kind of ignored those who haven't.

I'm not sure how to reconcile your play altogether here with your joindate tbh, d1-end particularly.

As far as I can tell, SickOfIt's vote has never been on me. Though I can see why it might look like that first part was directed at Fred when removed from the fact it was right after SOI's post.

You can agree with Sick all you want. The fact remains I have been paying 'attention' to people, especially Fred, well before the suspicion on me. Sick has this weird thing where he assigns the causation of an event to something that happened after the event. He did it when he mentioned that lucca started distancing with me as a reaction to Sick calling us both Scum, and is doing it again by saying I'm pushing Fred because he pushed me.

[Raskolnikov]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69287

Only game to really judge this off of is this one. Seems like he was wagoned very early, almost hammered but it got diverted last minute.

Trying to think of what's AI vs stylistic.

[Raskolnikov]

Frederick, this might seem like a weird question, but how old are you? Don't have to answer if you don't want to.

[Raskolnikov]

Your attitude? I'm sick of it.

Vote: Fred

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Attitude or the vote being on you?

I agree with sick on this one, you've so far mostly reacted to those who've been on you and kind of ignored those who haven't.

I'm not sure how to reconcile your play altogether here with your joindate tbh, d1-end particularly.

As far as I can tell, SickOfIt's vote has never been on me. Though I can see why it might look like that first part was directed at Fred when removed from the fact it was right after SOI's post.

You can agree with Sick all you want. The fact remains I have been paying 'attention' to people, especially Fred, well before the suspicion on me. Sick has this weird thing where he assigns the causation of an event to something that happened after the event. He did it when he mentioned that lucca started distancing with me as a reaction to Sick calling us both Scum, and is doing it again by saying I'm pushing Fred because he pushed me.

283 you have TheBrie at super raw which makes it hard for you to read her and fred/selynee/me as people you don't have a good grasp on.

Since then fred voted you and sickofit replaced in and called you scummy and you reacted pretty strongly to both of them but haven't said a word regarding me or thebrie. This is why I think sick might have a point here.

[SensFan]

Sick replaced in, which obviously caused my stance on that slot to be liable to change.

I feel like you're being a little disingenuous in regards to Fred. I explicitly mentioned remembering finding him scummy on D1 and then I proceeded to call him scummy when he again did exactly the same thing that I called him out on way back then.

[SensFan]

I just realized I never commented on your point about my join date. Read what you want into it; I make no claims in general that people who have been here longer are any better or worse than newer players. Worth noting that until a couple weeks ago, my most recent game was Mini 1337 though, for however that affects your view on my experience.

[Raskolnikov]

And I'm buying that his uncounted hammer was intentionally messed up to extend the day.

I extremely doubt this is what his intention was there.
First off I think MOST rulesets would count the hammer as a hammer anyways under the interpretation rule (where anything that clearly looks like it was intended to be a vote counts as a vote, to prevent hammer sillyness), this game included if I read it right.

Second it looks like even sensfan himself isn't saying this wasn't the case so yeah?

[Raskolnikov]

Better or worse doesn't even necessarily enter into it, it's behavioral and you can generally expect some standards in due-diligence town play you wouldn't from someone with a new or seminew joindate.

[SensFan]

Better or worse doesn't even necessarily enter into it, it's behavioral and you can generally expect some standards in due-diligence town play you wouldn't from someone with a new or seminew joindate.

Due diligence like contradicting someone by claiming I haven't said something that I very much explicitly did say?

[Raskolnikov]

No, that was mostly regarding your hammer. Try to keep up.

[Raskolnikov]

I'm not sure how to reconcile your play altogether here with your joindate tbh, d1-end particularly.

I just realized I never commented on your point about my join date. Read what you want into it; I make no claims in general that people who have been here longer are any better or worse than newer players. Worth noting that until a couple weeks ago, my most recent game was Mini 1337 though, for however that affects your view on my experience.

Better or worse doesn't even necessarily enter into it, it's behavioral and you can generally expect some standards in due-diligence town play you wouldn't from someone with a new or seminew joindate.

Better or worse doesn't even necessarily enter into it, it's behavioral and you can generally expect some standards in due-diligence town play you wouldn't from someone with a new or seminew joindate.

Due diligence like contradicting someone by claiming I haven't said something that I very much explicitly did say?

Mmm.

[SensFan]

Right. You said you expected due diligence from me one post after trying to discredit Loopdan by saying that not even I claimed it was on purpose. So I pointed out that you were dead wrong on the facts and that I very explicitly said (claimed, from your perspective) that I did it purposefully.

Tell me more about doing due diligence on things I post though.

[Raskolnikov]

You think that was discrediting loopdan?

Loopdan townreads you because he thinks you intentionally mispelled the hammer to get a reaction or something.

Is that the case or am I right in saying it isn't?

[Raskolnikov]

It's one or the other.

[Sickofit1138]

@Lucca what was your question? I don't feel like reading back right now.