Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I am and will, but I will not use them as part of my argumentation.

That's quite the quandary...

[Prism]

Not really, you said yourself that Pine's words mean nothing to you. I can do my best to see through Pine, and even do so correctly, but unless I know other people will see the same thing I will, yelling "Look!" is more likely to confuse.

[Prism]

VOTE: Monokuma

Now I'll join you, Nacho. And Monokuma-I told you you were being careless.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

My favorite part is when a wagon reaches 3 votes. It's common sense that once a vote goes past 2 players, the possible scum slots(if they voted as a block) is negated and there is a townie in there.

Nacho, Fate, Prism

Aero, Ari, Vax

dreal, SirCakez, BTD6

These are just myself thinking out loud but I'm having fun with wagonomics

[Pine]

VOTE: Monokuma

Now I'll join you, Nacho. And Monokuma-I told you you were being careless.

This is a pretty terrible vote.

[mastina]

Literally the most frustrating feeling in the world is when you write up a long post and then chrome does fuck all/closes tab and i lose it

Control-shift-T is your friend. Most browsers, Chrome included, will cache your info for a ridiculously long period of time.

[mastina]

I'm about confused on what you're accusing me of here. It reads to me that because I decided to do town things to fake town, not because I am town. I also have never asked people to town read me, I don't know where that came from because I know I'm scum read and it won't likely change. Also, for some reason, asking you to follow your own advice that you look for the scum agenda a player is pushing instead of what is at face value made me look more scummier in your eyes and that doesn't make sense to me.
Final note, when did I ask people to town read me or force the issue? It feels like a strawman because I dont remember saying that.

The basic accusation there is, yes, you did things that were town without them actually being town. And the pragmatic use for that is people would then assume you are town without you having done anything. Then when this doesn't work, you bring the issue forward more deliberately, by asking: "I did these things. Why would I do those things as scum?", the question you were hoping they'd ask automatically. Your request didn't come across as looking for a deeper motivation. But in there, there's a deeper motivation that makes sense as scum; it's what I just described. (Now granted, I've made this clear enough: presence of a scum motivation does not necessitate absence of a town motivation, and vice-versa. They can both be present. But you asked me what the scum motivation was and I obliged.)

[mastina]

Sell us. Really. We're all ears.

I don't wanna.

When I want to sell something, you'll buy it.
But I explicitly am not feeling like selling you on Aeronaut being scum.

He is scum, yeah.
But I don't feel like explaining that right now. I don't feel like pushing him right now. Even though I could ask for you to just trust me (the read's strong enough where I can demand that), I don't feel like doing that right now. But I'll place my vote there anyway, until such a time where I do feel like giving you those things.

[mastina]

mastin backing off nacho while still scumreading him is another scumtell

Fuck off.
No seriously.
I have nothing more to say to you than this.
I could explain to you any myriad of things about me.
I could explain to you any myriad of things about Nacho.
I could explain to you the intricate history and interplay we have.
But no.

I don't feel like dealing with that bullshit.

So instead I'm just going to say this one more time:
Fuck. off.

[mastina]

Also, I did some art practice!

Now, the temptation to give her evil/angry eyes existed, but I resisted. I figured, could always make that a second drawing, especially if she's looking down menacingly at Pine.
But hey. Figured I'd mention it. There was a little bit of guesswork involved, because camn's avatar crops a lot of the image there, but I did what I could to recreate the awesomeness there. (camn's avatar has always been one of my favorite avatars ever. I've been wanting to take a stab at drawing it for ages.)
Since I'm aiming to do a drawing a day, I'd take requests, but anything too complex will get me a "fuck no". (I'd say "would cost you you sheeping me", but I think "making a drawing so that people will sheep me" counts as bringing an outside influence into the game, so I don't think I'm allowed to set that as a price. Alas.)

[camn]

/me swoons!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm about confused on what you're accusing me of here. It reads to me that because I decided to do town things to fake town, not because I am town. I also have never asked people to town read me, I don't know where that came from because I know I'm scum read and it won't likely change. Also, for some reason, asking you to follow your own advice that you look for the scum agenda a player is pushing instead of what is at face value made me look more scummier in your eyes and that doesn't make sense to me.
Final note, when did I ask people to town read me or force the issue? It feels like a strawman because I dont remember saying that.

The basic accusation there is, yes, you did things that were town without them actually being town. And the pragmatic use for that is people would then assume you are town without you having done anything. Then when this doesn't work, you bring the issue forward more deliberately, by asking: "I did these things. Why would I do those things as scum?", the question you were hoping they'd ask automatically. Your request didn't come across as looking for a deeper motivation. But in there, there's a deeper motivation that makes sense as scum; it's what I just described. (Now granted, I've made this clear enough: presence of a scum motivation does not necessitate absence of a town motivation, and vice-versa. They can both be present. But you asked me what the scum motivation was and I obliged.)

So the conclusion you come up with is that I did it for scum motivation?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

mastin backing off nacho while still scumreading him is another scumtell

Fuck off.
No seriously.
I have nothing more to say to you than this.
I could explain to you any myriad of things about me.
I could explain to you any myriad of things about Nacho.
I could explain to you the intricate history and interplay we have.
But no.

I don't feel like dealing with that bullshit.

So instead I'm just going to say this one more time:
Fuck. off.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I seriously have a bad feeling about Mastin

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Mastin, what would you say you've done to make me think you're pro-town?

[Vaxkiller]

@dreal
@mastina

Suppose you are scum. How would you play this game? Where would you have started?

[Monokuma]

VOTE: Monokuma

Now I'll join you, Nacho. And Monokuma-I told you you were being careless.

You did? We must not have been listening.

Sell us. Really. We're all ears.

I don't wanna.

When I want to sell something, you'll buy it.
But I explicitly am not feeling like selling you on Aeronaut being scum.

He is scum, yeah.
But I don't feel like explaining that right now. I don't feel like pushing him right now. Even though I could ask for you to just trust me (the read's strong enough where I can demand that), I don't feel like doing that right now. But I'll place my vote there anyway, until such a time where I do feel like giving you those things.

You do you, mastina.

[Monokuma]

From a scum!Fate perspective, he thought he could convincingly pivot his vote.

There are too many pivots for Fate as scum to think he could convincingly pivot his vote. There are too many pivots for them to be anything but someone who truly doesn't give a fuck about whether his pivots are convincing or not.

Which doesn't necessarily make him town on its own but it does make your "TOO MUCH DISSONANCE" a pile of nothing.

Fair enough I guess..?

[SirCakez]

Mastina telling me to fuck off also sucks
Especially since she's supposedly town reading me.

[Monokuma]

No no, that's very mastina.

[SirCakez]

To tell a town read scumreading her to fuck off instead of engaging?

[Fate]

Sir cake atanve on scumbear now

[Fate]

Now you got solid town cred avatar, well done mastina

[Vaxkiller]

I can bearly tell the difference between pines and fates posts.

[SirCakez]

Sir cake atanve on scumbear now

Translation pls