Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[Nachomamma8]

Take a step back and realize that Pine can use emotional ties to make it seem impossible that he wouldn't pick either of you if ya'll were that close, ergo, he set up D1 and D2 mislynches in that respect.


Even if it doesn't end up being mislynches, there will be tonnes of noise created by you two arguing.


P-Edit: Pine is this the Mastin you told me about?

I LOVE THE MASTIN STORY AND I READ THAT THREAD. SOOOO GOOD

Hey Pine, can you do me a flavor?

I want a MyLo/LyLo rematch.

Well, you'll have to mislynch all these schmucks for me in order to get there, mmkay?

Damn..that's actually a really bad idea.

Hey Pine, you think we would have won the Hunger Games if it wasn't for those two strongmans?

ur memz R trash

"The Fallen" Just my pride

I got tears

and the fact that you're comparing this to fate asking pine to describe his favorite player with detailed reasons is hurting my heart and my soul
why
why would you ever compare those two things unless you were an evil bear who was begging for death?

[Fate]

What challenge did I back down from?

I AINT BACK DOWN FROM NO CHALLENGE YA HEAR

[Nachomamma8]

There's zero indication he "wasn't serious" when he asked it, what a terrible reason to hand wave something, especially right after you've said it had obvious town benefit. That's basically a contradiction. Are you even thinking this through? Doesn't seem like it.

both applied
i did explain an obvious town benefit
i also explained something else that might have happened
you still haven't explained why it's scummy

[Monokuma]

There's zero indication he "wasn't serious" when he asked it, what a terrible reason to hand wave something, especially right after you've said it had obvious town benefit. That's basically a contradiction. Are you even thinking this through? Doesn't seem like it.

both applied
i did explain an obvious town benefit
i also explained something else that might have happened
you still haven't explained why it's scummy

It's scummy because his other posts indicate he doesn't see value in interacting with Pine. It's scummy because he never followed up with something "had an obvious town benefit". It's scummy because there's more scum motivation than town motivation. It's scummy because it was a faked interaction with a partner.

[Fate]

ok Ill indulge you scumbear

I asked Pine a question, just fishing for any sort of reaction and was willing to play a bit of WIFOM game. If theres one thing Ive honed over the years its whether someone actually believes the shit they're typing. His response was geniune
I was busy as fuck as mentioned before, I also don't recall there being anything to follow up on? He answered it saying something, and that was enough for me to see what I had asked the question for

You asked me a bunch of times like a scumfuck harping on something so trivial like it was PIVOTAL. These are the sort of straws that scum grasp at HENCE THE WAGON ON YOU. you goan die gurl.

Now about Gin, Nacho's addressed this but Gin has gone back and forth gumming up the thread at times and I wanted to know why so I asked him. "Throwing shade" is complete bullshit.

See here's the

THE REAL FATE PLAY BY PLAY

Fate: I genuinely want to know whyyoure interacting with Pine so much, Gin.
Vaxscumfuck: Y U THINK HES SCUM IS HE SCUM CAN WE LYNCH IT?
Fate: [Thoughts: wow Vax is scum here huh...] *vague nonanswer cheekiness about Vax being scum*
Vaxscumkillstownieatnight: LOL FATE THROWN SHADE THATS REAL SUSS YO
Fate: hehheHEHAHEAHAHA
Scumbear: WOWFATE BEEN THROWN SHADE AT GIN FO DAT? HE IZ SCUM YO SPECIALLLY SINCE THIS OTHER SHITTY REASON I HAS BEEN PRIMING UP


You're all welcome.

Monokuma+Vax 2017

[Nachomamma8]

If you want to put us down and imply we're being lackluster when we're pointing out seriously sketchy interactions, that's your prerogative.

the reason why i'm being as antagonistic as i am with you is because i'm asking you to explain where you're coming from and you're not answering. i don't mean to put you down; i like both of you well enough and if you're town we're still in the area where it's a me problem and not a you problem. unfortunately, you have a very strong scum game. i am scumreading you. i am going to push you until i feel better about you or you are dead and while i don't intend to be an ass, i will probably end up being an ass because the only thing that's going to push me off you is explaining where you're coming or some honest to god scum tells - if there is something concrete that i can do to fix our interactions then please let me know, but otherwise i have to keep pushing because i don't know how to give you room without letting you slip away.

[Fate]

YOU NEED A NEW CAN OF PAINT

TO TRY AND COLOR ME SCUM, KUMAKILLAH



CERTAIN INTERACTIONS WITH PINE ARE BENEFICIAL. OTHERS ARE JUST FOR FUCKING AROUND. I HAVE INDEED INDULGED IN BOTH BECAUSE THE LATTER APPEALED TO ME AFTER I GOT IN THE GAME AND NOW I SEE WHY TOWNGIN WOULD ENGAGE IN SUCH


CHECK.

MATE.

THE WINDOW TO WAGON ME IS LONG GONE

[Fate]

see if Pine has read any recent history on me he'd know that picking me as scum would fuck over his faction

but letting me be town might be worse huehuehue


DECIMATING SCUMTEAMS FOR CAMN-SAMA

[Fate]

DONT STOP PUSHING NACHO

IF ITS SMELLS LIKE A SCUM
SOUNDS LUIKE A SCUM
AND WALKS LIKE A SCUM



(wonders if he is on some watchlist now that he has web-searched: "lynch rope")

[Nachomamma8]

It's scummy because his other posts indicate he doesn't see value in interacting with Pine. It's scummy because he never followed up with something "had an obvious town benefit". It's scummy because there's more scum motivation than town motivation. It's scummy because it was a faked interaction with a partner.

there's nowhere in his posts where he indicates he doesn't see value in interacting with Pine; you're conflating asking someone why they're doing what they're doing with believing that what they're doing has no value. this is an incorrect approach, this is a misinterpretation. this is a large part of why i think you are scum: surface level reading goes "fate interacted with pine and asked gin why he interacted with pine; scum!". i think both of you are good players. i expect whichever one of you i'm talking to to go deeper than that.
if i asked pine to explain why he would pick each of us, it has obvious town benefit in that it gives valuable insight into his thought process while drafting. i wouldn't followup with it because followup doesn't increase the chances he will actually answer; following up with people who are pretending to be town is valuable because they might answer your questions if enough people pressure them to. pine won't. surface reading of this is "he didn't follow up with a question! scum!". i am expecting you to go deeper than that.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I think the main reason I enjoy interacting with Pine so much is because he's been in my first game and with scum/daytalk plus winning it, you become friends quickly. He's also been in every game I've played sans one of those and now we have a hydra we're doing. I think it's fair to say that I do it because I genuinely like talking to the dude regardless of our alignments.

[Fate]

I'm done talking with scum.

Don't let them weasel their way out of this. You've opened my eyes nacho and now I've locked on to the goal.

If I could wake up to a scum flip that'd be super but this town doesn't have the balls... (there's still a mastina wagon ffs)

[Monokuma]

You misunderstand what I mean by follow up.

You see, generally, when people ask questions, they are interested in the answer.

Fate, when we flip town, what are you going to say? "Whoopsies"? Really, I'm curious.

[Nachomamma8]

"there's more scum motivation than town motivation" - i have been waiting for a while for you to explain scum motivation in what you're reading. you haven't explained it to my satisfaction yet. am i being unreasonable? am i being stupid? if i am, show me that i'm being a fucking nutjob and i will be happy to stop this push and find something else to pursue. but right now i think you're intentionally being a bit shallow - if you're annoyed by my push on you, the best way to get me to stop is to show me that i'm being dumb.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

yo Fate, do you think both Nacho and bear are scums?

[Nachomamma8]

Mastina, lots of history. I've recently had a lot of fun with Gin and Aero. Jin and Drealmerz too. Camn and Nacho ofc. I've read some of your games, Fate, you're always quality. Most everyone else I have passing familiarity with.

how exactly was Fate supposed to follow up with this?

[drealmerz7]

ask pine what he thinks, too

[Monokuma]

"there's more scum motivation than town motivation" - i have been waiting for a while for you to explain scum motivation in what you're reading. you haven't explained it to my satisfaction yet. am i being unreasonable? am i being stupid? if i am, show me that i'm being a fucking nutjob and i will be happy to stop this push and find something else to pursue. but right now i think you're intentionally being a bit shallow - if you're annoyed by my push on you, the best way to get me to stop is to show me that i'm being dumb.

we explained it not long ago, so yes, you're being dumb. and no, we're not going to do your job for you. go fetch, doggie.

[Fate]

Mastina, lots of history. I've recently had a lot of fun with Gin and Aero. Jin and Drealmerz too. Camn and Nacho ofc. I've read some of your games, Fate, you're always quality. Most everyone else I have passing familiarity with.

Pine did answer my question Nacho literally right after I asked are we somehow missing this? I wanted a quick response.

What the fuck is this "not following up" I allegedly did anyway? Ask a confirmed scum more questions? He'd think through them more maybe. If hes familiar with my games it doesnt take much to realize I'm not thinking deeply about his responses or entertaining his WIFOM game, so he is more likely to answer genuinely the first time and then slow his roll on subsequent answers... (I am making literally all of this up. Like I said I just asked a question then got busy and could only phone browse/post)


Ninja: I'm going to say in my scum QT

But that's cute now you're slipping that you know I'm town

this scum-game

needs werk

[Monokuma]

if that makes you want to lynch us, so be it; the error is yours.

[Fate]

yo Fate, do you think both Nacho and bear are scums?

If Nacho's scum he's won my heart

I only bluffed thinking he was scum to intimidate him because I can usually get Nacho scum to be awkward and not know how to interact with me


its ALWAYS our first interaction that will show his true colors, he adapts well after that the fuck

[Fate]

Immediately goes from calling me scum to AtE that I'm wrong


PROCEED

WITH

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[Nachomamma8]

It's scummy because it was a faked interaction with a partner.

and this, i still take issue with
fate asked a question
and that's faked interaction because...?

[Fate]

and if Nacho went from being under my laser eyes to bussing his scum buddy? nah b

Nah

[SirCakez]

this is painful to read