Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[Fate]

I think my interaction with Monokuma reveals just how much they are reaching for reasons that I'm scum and twisting things.

Nacho has laid that out pretty clearly and so have I.

What the fuck 4-5 pages are Y OU reading Prism?

[SirCakez]

When he went multiple days without posting actual content; on the days he wasn't V/LA.

Normally a meta read isn't the only tool to use on a player but Ari is one of those exceptions and this becomes apparently true as Ari admits it.

Now I'm waiting because I didn't honestly suspect a post from him.

Very scummy =/= confscum. I thought there was something I missed that made him confscum.

UNVOTE:

Like what? You just called him confscum and then unvoted on the same page. Where's the conviction?

I think my interaction with Monokuma reveals just how much they are reaching for reasons that I'm scum and twisting things.

Nacho has laid that out pretty clearly and so have I.

What the fuck 4-5 pages are Y OU reading Prism?

And this reaction is pretty awful.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Cakez, you can stop trying to discredit my push as it is still very much there.

You can ask almost anyone in the playerlist, and Ari himself which I can quote him saying IN THIS GAME, that he can't play scum at all and won't post in-game content. It's a rare situation to call someone conf!scum based on their meta, and Ari might be able to help me out here, but there was a game where he replaced in as scum and was the perfect example of what I'm talking about. It's just part of Ari and it's a singular case that wouldn't normally apply to someone else.

Also, once Ari said he'd be going through the thread, which he started doing, I saw content, opinions being formed, so naturally this heavily tilts the read on that slot. Now, Ari has to keep it up because I will be hounding him for content and if he's scum, he'll break.

[SirCakez]

I'm not discrediting you, I was confused why you would call someone conf!scum and unvote someone on the same page.

[BTD6_maker]

When he went multiple days without posting actual content; on the days he wasn't V/LA.

Normally a meta read isn't the only tool to use on a player but Ari is one of those exceptions and this becomes apparently true as Ari admits it.

Now I'm waiting because I didn't honestly suspect a post from him.

Very scummy =/= confscum. I thought there was something I missed that made him confscum.

UNVOTE:

Like what? You just called him confscum and then unvoted on the same page. Where's the conviction?

I think my interaction with Monokuma reveals just how much they are reaching for reasons that I'm scum and twisting things.

Nacho has laid that out pretty clearly and so have I.

What the fuck 4-5 pages are Y OU reading Prism?

And this reaction is pretty awful.

I am reading the posts by Gin on this page.

[BTD6_maker]

At this point we know Ari is 100% scum. There is no need not to vote this guy up. Mastin is town simple as that.

Look, Mastin is one of those that you require to use over half of the entire tool belt to lynch and those tools can't be used until flips have been made later down the road. That's what you get for being experienced as scum. However it's pretty clear she'll be killed N1 or N2, after that, it's worth taking into consideration...

I simply don't understand the value of going on a possible mislynch over a conf!scum lynch.

Again, no explanation for Ari being 100% scum. Also, you claim Mastina is Town purely because she is hard to lynch. This is faulty logic and does not clear anyone. Mastina is being wagoned. Some wagons lead to a lynch; some don't. It is possible to consistently avoid lynches even with a wagon. Also, I am doubting whether what you say is actually true about Mastina. Provide evidence.

In short, Ari is not confscum and this reasoning is terrible. On Day 1 we only have one guaranteed confscum, and that's Pine.

When he went multiple days without posting actual content; on the days he wasn't V/LA.

Normally a meta read isn't the only tool to use on a player but Ari is one of those exceptions and this becomes apparently true as Ari admits it.

Now I'm waiting because I didn't honestly suspect a post from him.

You claimed Ari was 100% confscum. Not posting much for some time may make someone

slightly

more likely to be scum, but nowhere near obvscum, let alone confscum (which can generally only be attained through Cops or similar investigatives). Also, you are claiming Ari can be read entirely through meta. I doubt there is anyone who can be read instantly through meta alone. Meta may help somewhat, but it is generally weaker than actually examining posts for scummy content (not just lack of content).

UNVOTE:

And again, you unvote a "confscum".

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[BTD6_maker]

I meant to say:

(I still find Mastina scummier at the moment in general, but this is also one of my scumreads. It seems likely that Gin and Mastina are scumbuddies).

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

BTD6, have you truly read anything I wrote?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

This entire thing was on Pisskop actually, and I added meta as simply one more part of the reason why Ari is indeed scum. Saying my entire case is just based off of Ari's meta is blatant misrepresentation of what I've said from the start.

First off, Pisskop was the beginning slot, he started out the game and continued the pattern of fluffing and frivolous shit posting. When he did post, there wasn't reasoning attached to it, all of them were baseless and were said to just be said.

It also doesn't help that the slot replacement, Ari can't play scum to save his life, in essence making it a suicide slot. The quotes I put in a spoiler, and really they are all his ISO, is literally no game contribution and doesn't address anyone game related.

Also a quick VCA is that scum will disperse their votes to hide in the crowd, so there will be 1/2 in the main wagons and 1/2 in a slot that's been voted once or they are the only vote. Now, looking at the babywagons that happened in D1, the beginning started with dreal and Fate.

Looking at that, Pisskop gave a weak reason which was really a hesitant question more than accusation and put his vote on dreal. The vote only moved from dreal to Fate and this occurred when Pisskop said, Fate was his top scum read, but again, there was no explanation attached to it, essentially making it a naked vote because it is knowingly implied that if you vote someone, it is because you think they are scum.

I am almost 100% confident that Pisskop has been staying off of the main wagons to avoid any serious attention and shitpost so you think to just ignore him.

VOTE: Aristophanes

[BTD6_maker]

First off, Pisskop was the beginning slot, he started out the game and continued the pattern of fluffing and frivolous shit posting. When he did post, there wasn't reasoning attached to it, all of them were baseless and were said to just be said.

It also doesn't help that the slot replacement, Ari can't play scum to save his life, in essence making it a suicide slot. The quotes I put in a spoiler, and really they are all his ISO, is literally no game contribution and doesn't address anyone game related.

Also a quick VCA is that scum will disperse their votes to hide in the crowd, so there will be 1/2 in the main wagons and 1/2 in a slot that's been voted once or they are the only vote. Now, looking at the babywagons that happened in D1, the beginning started with dreal and Fate.

Looking at that, Pisskop gave a weak reason which was really a hesitant question more than accusation and put his vote on dreal. The vote only moved from dreal to Fate and this occurred when Pisskop said, Fate was his top scum read, but again, there was no explanation attached to it, essentially making it a naked vote because it is knowingly implied that if you vote someone, it is because you think they are scum.

I am almost 100% confident that Pisskop has been staying off of the main wagons to avoid any serious attention and shitpost so you think to just ignore him.

VOTE: Aristophanes

This is your only Ari case in the last few pages. I can list your main points:

-Pisskop posting little content. This is not something which makes someone obvscum. In fact, Pisskop was probably posting little content because he didn't have time for this game, which is why he replaced.
-Ari being allegedly bad as scum. You could say that Ari is scummier as scum, but that is meta. Meta is not useless, but it cannot make someone obvTown or obvscum.
-The VCA. VCA is generally unreliable (though possible, it is very weak) in Day 1 with no flips at all.
-Pisskop giving next to no explanation for moving votes. I can see your point and this could add to a scumread, but this does not make someone obvscum. Even added together, these points may make someone a weak to moderate scumread, but not obvscum and definitely not confscum. (Unless you are a Day Cop, but I highly doubt that)

PEdit: I have addressed these points in this post.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

May I ask what grabbed your attention enough to respond to me?

I'm finding it out that throughout the game, you voted Mastin based on her playing games with Pine and then stuck onto Mastin never letting go of a scum read. You've done a couple posts on her but what I find most interesting is that all this time that I've been talking, as have others been talking in this thread, I vote Aristophanes and build a case on him, and now you feel that it is worthy enough of your time to argue why Aristophanes isn't scum.

What was it about myself putting a vote on Aristophanes that made you lose tunnel vision on Mastin?

[BTD6_maker]

I look at posts and then focus on the ones I have something to say about. In this case, it was SirCakez' vote, which led me to analyse your posts.

It is not tunnel vision on Mastina. She has posted a lot of content and I found that I had something to say about them and analysed them to come to the conclusion that Mastina was scummy. My initial vote on Mastina was a pre-game vote, practically RVS. I kept the vote after I found what I considered to be genuine scumminess.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

She's posted 128 out of 1062 posts this game; that's roughly 10% of the total posts in this game. Now, why is it that 6 out of your 8 posts before you came on today, talked strictly about Mastin and only Mastin?

You've focused on 10% of the game and you're going to tell me that out of the other 90% of the game, mind you is around 800-900 posts, you had nothing actually stand out in front of you?


I will be going over your rebuttals of my points in a second.

[Pine]

Wait, Mastina has only made 10% of the posts in this game?

Must be scum.

WHAT'S SHE HIDING?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

First off, Pisskop was the beginning slot, he started out the game and continued the pattern of fluffing and frivolous shit posting. When he did post, there wasn't reasoning attached to it, all of them were baseless and were said to just be said.

It also doesn't help that the slot replacement, Ari can't play scum to save his life, in essence making it a suicide slot. The quotes I put in a spoiler, and really they are all his ISO, is literally no game contribution and doesn't address anyone game related.

Also a quick VCA is that scum will disperse their votes to hide in the crowd, so there will be 1/2 in the main wagons and 1/2 in a slot that's been voted once or they are the only vote. Now, looking at the babywagons that happened in D1, the beginning started with dreal and Fate.

Looking at that, Pisskop gave a weak reason which was really a hesitant question more than accusation and put his vote on dreal. The vote only moved from dreal to Fate and this occurred when Pisskop said, Fate was his top scum read, but again, there was no explanation attached to it, essentially making it a naked vote because it is knowingly implied that if you vote someone, it is because you think they are scum.

I am almost 100% confident that Pisskop has been staying off of the main wagons to avoid any serious attention and shitpost so you think to just ignore him.

VOTE: Aristophanes

This is your only Ari case in the last few pages. I can list your main points:

-Pisskop posting little content. This is not something which makes someone obvscum. In fact, Pisskop was probably posting little content because he didn't have time for this game, which is why he replaced.
-Ari being allegedly bad as scum. You could say that Ari is scummier as scum, but that is meta. Meta is not useless, but it cannot make someone obvTown or obvscum.
-The VCA. VCA is generally unreliable (though possible, it is very weak) in Day 1 with no flips at all.
-Pisskop giving next to no explanation for moving votes. I can see your point and this could add to a scumread, but this does not make someone obvscum. Even added together, these points may make someone a weak to moderate scumread, but not obvscum and definitely not confscum. (Unless you are a Day Cop, but I highly doubt that)

PEdit: I have addressed these points in this post.

-Posting little content is a term called "fluffing." I never said that just fluffing made Pisskop obv!scum, just like any valid case, it is one small part in the big picture.

-Ari isn't "allegedly bad as scum." The quote below is confirmation by the accused that what I am saying is true. Arguing that this is not true is ignorance of the facts.

Ari can't play scum to save his life

Sad but true.
However, I hadn't read, like, any of the game yet and am doing that now. Get back to me after I catch up a bit and see how you feel. Okay?

-The VCA is a tool, in which used correctly, will not be damning by itself, BUT, included in the analysis of a player and finding other reasons as to why he is scummy, it is valid reasoning.

-You said "could add to a scumread." This is exactly what it's doing as it's strengthens the case against Pisskop.

All these points listed by themselves mean very little, however when you take everything together, you have a slam dunk case on to why someone is scum to the point where I'm that confident in it that it couldn't possibly be a town slot.

It's only saving grace right now is that I respect Ari and he said he would read the thread, if he can't produce content within a day or two(which is enough time to catch up), there will be nothing stopping me from parking my vote as that is the final nail on the coffin.

[camn]

Um...That's not what "fluffing" is, ifyouknowhatimean.

[drealmerz7]

show us

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

fluffing as in?

[drealmerz7]

pronage

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

pronage?

[Aristophanes]

Um...That's not what "fluffing" is, ifyouknowhatimean.

Fluffing is when you beat it a bit to make it look bigger, no?


The "it" being pillows...

[Aristophanes]

Also, continuing my skim now

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Content my dog, produce it.

P-Edit: Thank you, this thread is fucking dead and progresses like it's tied down by lead.

[Aristophanes]

my dog

[Pine]

Um...That's not what "fluffing" is, ifyouknowhatimean.

Camn would know?