Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[Fro99er]

VOTE: clumsy

Been reading. This dude is scum

At the very least, clumsy and iron don't appear to be aligned (just ISO clumsy and you'll see what I mean)

[Fro99er]

Iron wagon is scum motivated and clumsy' seas the grossest. Especially after listing iron as his top scumread several times before finally voting him with a half-assed sense of care of doing so

[Fro99er]

Iron wagon is scum motivated and clumsy's is the grossest. Especially after listing iron as his top scumread several times before finally voting him with a half-assed sense of care of doing so

EBWOP. I need to stop phone posting

[Fro99er]

While some of your reads are just plain wrong, why the hell is Ramicus on the town side of things? I don't think there's been anything there to warrant that, unless you just think that it's mislynch bait?

Scum reading your own slot?

Eeeewww.

[Fro99er]

What I have on you is mostly gut and what I pointed out that you (obviously noticed). It's a small read and very subject to change. Think null-null-scum

In other words...

"I put you in my scum list because I didn't have a reason so i'll make it up as "gut" and weasel my way out of my fake scum read on you"

[Fro99er]

While some of your reads are just plain wrong, why the hell is Ramicus on the town side of things? I don't think there's been anything there to warrant that, unless you just think that it's mislynch bait?

Scum reading your own slot?

Eeeewww.

Later on he says that he agree with a townread on his slot. A contradiction he said was just a missunderstanding.

May have missed it in my catch up. Can you point me to it?

Ether way i don't like that he posed that nobody should be townreading his slot at that point in time.

[Fro99er]

That legit feels like a reason to say "Hey, I just want to find a reason to SR someone."

+1

And then he called it "gut" and tried to find a way to weasel out of it

[Fro99er]

I like you fro99er.

I don't know you, but happy birthday!

[Fro99er]

Trying to decide. No worries, that was a Townish response.

I hereby declare the founding of a Townbloc. Transcend, Alisae, Pine.

I don't get why Transcend is in this. What is your reasoning for Transcend being town at this point in the thread Pine? Also, is this still your version of this townbloc?


**snip wall**


Past post 1000, Transcend's posts are starting to look better.





{ConManMick, Manuel87}
{Jaack, Pine, GerryOat, PeregrineV}
{drealmerz7, kuror0, Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower, Lemon Tree, Transcend}
{Alisae}
{Pepchoninga, BigYoshiFan}
{ironstove}

(Some moved up from null, others moved up from null-scum, we're getting there though)
13 pages to go.

Oh hell no. Explain why transcends posts are better. This just looks like "fit in with the crowd"

[Fro99er]

[quote="In post 1621, PepchoningaHere ya go fro, I think this would be enough. I think it's a little thing, that might just have great meaning.[/quote]
Thanks. That doesn't make me feel any better about clumsy. It's a pretty bad contradiction that's being painted as a "misunderstanding"

[Fro99er]

Alisae talk to me about clumsy pls

[Fro99er]

My reads are fine, yours are wrong. At least some of them. Question for you: if Iron flips town, what do you think of Pep?

Ew ew ew ew ew.

[Fro99er]

Watchu wanna talk about Frogger? I'm trying to do catchup of what I missed over night.

Well you have 280+ posts and have interacted with clumsy. Talk to me about him.

[Fro99er]

Here, let me get chu some tea.
/me gets you some tea.
Frogs like tea?
I like tea.

Beer please.

[Fro99er]

So if he's scummy and voting iron, why you voting iron? Pretty positive these two aren't aligned.

Wagon clumsy w me, k? Clumsy is far scummier than iron

[Fro99er]

VOTE: clumsy

Been reading. This dude is scum

At the very least, clumsy and iron don't appear to be aligned (just ISO clumsy and you'll see what I mean)

FINALLY SOMEONE AKNOWLEDGES HOW SCUMMY THE DUDE IS.

THEN VOTE HIM ALL CAPS

[Fro99er]

Also I remember him saying that he didn't really want to push anyone at one time, which sorta looks bad.

pedit: I don't think he's scummy for voting iron, most of my TRs are also on it keep in mind and I hopped on after my reaction test with Pep cuz Pep was like "Ehh, I don't really wanna ISO them, and I think they're lynchbait" and then they say that they're scummy and to me that comes off as "Eh, I don't really wanna bring attention to my scum buddy"
What is your opinion on Mack + Pep.

Also yeah I'll wagon them with you
VOTE: Clumsy

I don't think that makes pep and iron scum together necessarily. Just makes pep look scummy for not wanting to put his vote there, either to protect a buddy or to not be on a potential mislynch of a town!iron.

As for Mick, I don't have a read yet because I latched into clumsy's slot in my skim through.

I'll ISO dive Mick

[Fro99er]

There could be one scumteam and a serial killer and that would be considered multiball, right?

Correct

[Fro99er]

THEN VOTE HIM ALL CAPS

[Fro99er]

No you ain't. I've asked multiple times for you to get on his wagon

YET YOU ARENT ON HIS WAGON ALL CAPS

[Fro99er]

Jesus fuck pep is so scummy too

[Fro99er]

Jesus fuck pep is so scummy too

Why am I scummy tho? I was on his wagon, but I developed another strong scimread and got on it. I will gladly hop back on Clumsy tho. I hate that slot.

Your reluctance to ISO iron at alise's request
Your "pushing" a vanity wagon on Elena without trying to drum up support for it
Your "I like you more now" about my beer comment" like you want to be pals
Your i hate clumsy slot while sitting there not voting the obv wagon with the pretense of "responding" to other posts

[Fro99er]

Jesus fuck pep is so scummy too

Why am I scummy tho? I was on his wagon, but I developed another strong scimread and got on it. I will gladly hop back on Clumsy tho. I hate that slot.

Your reluctance to ISO iron at alise's request
Your "pushing" a vanity wagon on Elena without trying to drum up support for it
Your "I like you more now" about my beer comment" like you want to be pals
Your i hate clumsy slot while sitting there not voting the obv wagon with the pretense of "responding" to other posts

I ain't reluctant. I did it and didn't have anything against. I was just being lazy.
I did try to drum support about Elena. Just like me trying to drum up support for both Clumsy and before his Ramicius it was ignored.
I genuinely like you and have a strong TR on you since I like your wau of thinking and you have aknowledged the scumminess of my top SRs.
This really isn't an argument and I hope you understand it. I said I will vote the slot and I did. Wether I vote it now or after I respond to a couple of posts that for wich I already have an answer in my head shouldn't be relevant.

Whatever. I don't buy the lazy argument as you've been pretty active with your site-breaking walls

You're not in my good pile, but you're not as bad as obvscum Clumsy.

[Fro99er]

Iron wagon is scum motivated and clumsy' seas the grossest. Especially after listing iron as his top scumread several times before finally voting him with a half-assed sense of care of doing so

Oh man, I wonder if that had to do with me playing catchup a little at a time, and not wanting to place a vote that affects the current gamestate while I'm reading the past gamestate. Just a thought though.

Just got off work, need to read the newest pages.

@Yoshi: thanks for the explanation. Clears that up for me.

explain your case on iron so it's not buried in spoiler tags.

[Fro99er]

'how to get scum to not NK you after you call out their leader'

and then you point it out, and they do NK you, and BOOM you can lynch them the next day

cept now maybe they won't

ohfuck the wifom web!!!

btw the whole point of this is :

if I live or if I die, transcend+alisae are still my top scumspects

yepyep

Are they your top scumreads because of what happened on page one (as you pointed out....mason claim, possible scumslip) or more beyond that?

[Fro99er]

Iron wagon is scum motivated and clumsy' seas the grossest. Especially after listing iron as his top scumread several times before finally voting him with a half-assed sense of care of doing so

Oh man, I wonder if that had to do with me playing catchup a little at a time, and not wanting to place a vote that affects the current gamestate while I'm reading the past gamestate. Just a thought though.

Just got off work, need to read the newest pages.

@Yoshi: thanks for the explanation. Clears that up for me.

explain your case on iron so it's not buried in spoiler tags.

Still waiting on this, even though you posted since my post

[Fro99er]

Round 1

FIGHT!

Iron wagon is scum motivated and clumsy' seas the grossest. Especially after listing iron as his top scumread several times before finally voting him with a half-assed sense of care of doing so

In what way was it the grossest? The fact that I had him scumread through most if not all of my catch up? How after I decided on reads for most of the (active) playlist, he was at the bottom so I voted him? How dare I hold my vote until I'm caught up to the present game.

While some of your reads are just plain wrong, why the hell is Ramicus on the town side of things? I don't think there's been anything there to warrant that, unless you just think that it's mislynch bait?

Scum reading your own slot?

Eeeewww.

I was asked to give my thoughts about my predescessor. There they are. They played horribly and put me in a horrible position to try to salvage this slot. I was expecting to get a red PM, and I was actually a little hoping for that, because I have more fun as Mafia. I was expecting that because I read a bit of the game before I got my PM, and based on how things were reading, I thought I would be picking up a scum PM. But if my honest thoughts are "wrong" to you, here's this.

My slot has played a perfectly good town game and no one should have scumread Ram at any point in the game. He obv towned so hard that everyone in the game simultaneously townread him, all the way until he replaced out. -rainbows-

Now, hopefully you can feel better about that and I can actual play a realist game. Slot played like shit before I got here. I'm not saying I'm stupendously better, but I'm trying to work with a bad situation as best I can. Yes, if I wasn't playing this slot and Ram was still playing it, I'd be fine with voting him, from an outside perspective.

What I have on you is mostly gut and what I pointed out that you (obviously noticed). It's a small read and very subject to change. Think null-null-scum

In other words...

"I put you in my scum list because I didn't have a reason so i'll make it up as "gut" and weasel my way out of my fake scum read on you"

Yeah no. Nice framework you got going on there though. It's a weak null-scum read. That's why it's between my null and null-scum tiers. How dare I express reads.

Trying to decide. No worries, that was a Townish response.

I hereby declare the founding of a Townbloc. Transcend, Alisae, Pine.

I don't get why Transcend is in this. What is your reasoning for Transcend being town at this point in the thread Pine? Also, is this still your version of this townbloc?


**snip wall**


Past post 1000, Transcend's posts are starting to look better.





{ConManMick, Manuel87}
{Jaack, Pine, GerryOat, PeregrineV}
{drealmerz7, kuror0, Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower, Lemon Tree, Transcend}
{Alisae}
{Pepchoninga, BigYoshiFan}
{ironstove}

(Some moved up from null, others moved up from null-scum, we're getting there though)
13 pages to go.

Oh hell no. Explain why transcends posts are better. This just looks like "fit in with the crowd"

If you can't see how Transcend's posts look better from this:

Spoiler: Before

Alisae let's make 500 posts d1 so that we have 1000 as a cumulative.

Yes! Shitposting galore!

The rules:

If you don't make 500 posts you get vigged

By me

I will not specify whether I'm a day vig or a night vig so your death will come at an unexpected time.

You don't i was scum

Unless you were scum

Then it's a draw

14 and 18 will maybe shitpost

Everyone else is srsbsns or i don't know them

It's pretty neat.

Only the classic episodes though.

The new renditions are a giant wtf.

Do you want to be the shaggy to my Scooby doo this game?

Aka we eat and shitpost and do nothing to solve the mystery and let some other lame-o solve it?

Okay now we need a Velma to solve the game

We need a Fred and Daphne to make out behind the scenes

And we need a Scrappy to get d1 policied

I nominate ConManMick for his impressive performance in Kids TV Show Mafia to be our Velma.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=25190

Damn


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=25190

Forget it. Read ConManMick's iso. His performance was outstanding that game.

Tbh he solved the game in TWO (2) posts.

Alright Alisae with 20 posts each that puts us at 40 which completes 4% of our goal.

Vote: Alisae

Hogged all the Scooby Snacks.

FINALLY ANOTHER GAME WITH TRANSCEND. (i hope our distancing is good lol)

but really i havent read anything. i'm about to go to ihop. i'm still on vacation until the 11th now, just to let you know my activity will be spotty until then

what did you order

IF YOU DIDNT ORDER CHICKEN N WAFFLES IM SHOOTING YOU

I do not have cockies

I do have COOKIES THOUGH

have 12.

(::) (::) (::) (::) (::) (::) (::) (::) (::) (::) (::) (::)

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

ALL THE SHITPOSTING

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

SO HARD TO SCROLL THROUGHT HE GAMEAAA

see my shit posts are textual, not graphic

vc

STOP QUOTE PYRAMIDING THAT FUCKING VOTE COUNT

With love,

Transcend ♥

alright

you me and alisae we make 333 posts each today

actually we each need a third of a post to get to 1000 so consider this my third of a post

awww i was hoping you were kyouko

i like that dude

@pep sure, we can do 250 posts each.

Jinkies!`

it's hard to be in a game without me or gamma being in it

or dunnstral, but he's not here

Fucking stop tring me guys

I don't wanna get n1ed ;(

Trans it's moreso I think it's oppertunistic play moreso then wagon hopping.
Ironstove was getting votes, he goes to hop to that.
Then he places a vote on Pep felt like a really strange and awkward hop.
And then he gives you a vote for, what reason exactly?

I can't say anything for the first two votes but his vote on me was 100% a meme.

Tr gerry

i TR transcend even more for TR me

Did you have chicken n waffles at IHOP yesterday? Y/N

I was under the impression you weren't fond of me PP.

I'm glad I was wrong.

Hi

I said hi

I don't wanna read this anymore

I am the king

I am the king

Well I'm the God.

N

Hi

I'm matt

this is a substantial post with substantial content

rooby rooby rooooooo

closing credits come on

guys

do you trust me?

to this:

Spoiler: After

Ram:

Who is mafia

Gamma's game very different from what i saw him as a town, i don't like gerry play, Pep with his neutral stance and i don't feel him to try scumhunt, Alisae i still don't like, i was amazed how he told he don't remember my playstyle, when 2 days ago called me bullheaded for my aggressive playstyle in other game, also fake claim at start of game, Peregrine i see calling people scums, but no reasonings, no pushing, and very few posts in general, i know there are other people with little content, but i won't judge them till they post more

How long have you had these reads?

And how much do you rely on meta?

And I don't agree that Pep is neutral. He started off weird and awkward, I'll give you that, but now I feel he's proactively trying to solve the game and getting his hands really dirty.

What are your opinions on say, ConManMick and Manuel87?

Alright, more rainbows.

{gerryoat}

{BigYoshiFan, Indigo, Pepchoninga, Pine}

{drealmerz7, ironstove, kuror0, Ramcius}

{Gamma Emerald, Jaack, PeregrineV}

{Lemon Tree}

{Alisae, PenguinPower}

{ConManMick, Manuel87}

I want one of my reds to hang, and I want my orange and yellow reads to advance their thought processes a bit.

Jaack I know you gave a big reads list, but I put you as null because it looks like you're only focused on one slot (Ramcius) when there's 16 other slots, viewing your ISO. I want you to engage with others besides Ram.

PEDIT: I see no one post inflating anymore. That was definitely present in the beginning, but I think everything's simmered down at this point.

Why is Manuel genuine? What do you make of his entrance to the Pep vote he made?

That's getting bored. I'll stop at Page 10.

drealmerz7
Ramcius
Gamma Emerald
ConManMick

If you're not there and you posted between page 1 to 10, your posting is fine.

I don't agree with two of these, I can maybe see one of these, and I heavily agree with one of them.

I want you to finish reading the game, and expand on these reads a bit.

PP I know that you've read this game (at least some of it) and I know you didn't site flake. Can you key us in on what you thought?

Post inflating isn't alignment indicative imo.

I put all my thoughts in multiple consecutive posts because I say all I want to say at one point, then I think of something else and blah blah blah.

Oh I figured you fosed him since you put Pep in the pool of mafia when I asked you

Because Lemon was in the process of reading the game and Penguin said that he had read all the game. I didn't like Lemon's skim through, but I really didn't like Penguin offering nothing of substance having read the game.

As for Alisae I don't really like his tone, I don't like his voting patterns, I think his vote on Ramcius is more "who I can easily get lynched" rather than "who I think is scum".

Manny/Mick probably separate factions. I doubt they put two of their eggs on one obv town lynch.

Gerry is one of my heaviest reads in the game with substantial logic that you neglect to acknowledge.

Yes

Ram was objectively terrible

Does that equate to him being scum?

NO

Well Alisae

The Ramcius wagon has scum on it

That's fo sho.

Pine and Pep are town.

That leaves?.....

You and Jaack!

You might be on to something, but you're also possibly scum there.

The Mick lynch will be a thing and nothing is stopping that.

The following:
Alisae
BigYoshiFan
Gerryoat
Pepchoninga
PeregrineV
Pine
Ramciusslot

The following:
Drealmerz7
Elena Fisher
Gamma Emerald
Ironstove
Jaack
Kuror0
Lemon Tree
PenguinPower

The following:
ConManMick
Manuel87

Can anyone tell me what each of those lists represent?

People that are advancing well, and won't die today even if they are scum

People that need to advance more, or I'll want to have die

People who can die

then I don't think I can help you. Enjoy that wall btw. Now, after that point, there is still some shitposting in there, but the ratio isn't 9:1 shitposting to content anymore. It's closer to 1:1, which I'm guessing is normal for Transcend.

What's so town about the latter half of posts other than the ratio of non-shitposts to shitposts?

This is such a BS town read.

And you won't explain your iron read

[Fro99er]

I don't like the interaction between Alisae and fro99er on p. 66. Looks fishy. I also don't like how easily the wagon shifted to my slot. Why was there so much resistance to voting Ironstove but none to my slot?

You're such a joker. Iron got to L-3. You're only at L-5 if I count correctly

[Fro99er]

I don't like the interaction between Alisae and fro99er on p. 66. Looks fishy. I also don't like how easily the wagon shifted to my slot. Why was there so much resistance to voting Ironstove but none to my slot?

You're such a joker. Iron got to L-3. You're only at L-5 if I count correctly

So piss off with your "resistance to iron but not me"

[Fro99er]

Frogger this is most of what Clumsy is saying atm

Am I right, or am I right?

P much. Dude isn't even shitposting. He's just BSing

[Fro99er]

Elena what do you make of the Clumsy wagon?

It's the counter wagon to scum. Simple really

So who's scum on the Clumsy wagon?

[Fro99er]

Elena what do you make of the Clumsy wagon?

It's the counter wagon to scum. Simple really

So who's scum on the Clumsy wagon?

Can I answer this?

I don't like the interaction between Alisae and fro99er on p. 66. Looks fishy. I also don't like how easily the wagon shifted to my slot. Why was there so much resistance to voting Ironstove but none to my slot?

You're such a joker. Iron got to L-3. You're only at L-5 if I count correctly

"Fuck my buddy might be killed better try to shift that wagon"r

@ Transcend: who is the most likely scum on Clumsys wagon right now?

Lolololol

[Fro99er]

I asked Elena about who is scum on the Clumsy wagon. You asked to answer (and did, which is stupid because I asked Elena). Then Manuel asked Transcend.

Was just funny it all happened at once

[Fro99er]

^^@alisae

[Fro99er]

Answering Clumsy... Pine is posting elsewhere since I joined, but not here. So that's not so good.

[Fro99er]

wat...I don't get it...
I mean, I think obvscum Pep is on it, but I also think Jaack is scum that's on that wagon.

How am I obvscum tho? I contributed to the game a lot more then half of the players and put myself in the open too much? Do you think that's my scum game?

Tell me about your scum game

[Fro99er]

Oh PeregrineV is town btw

I concur.

Townbloc is Alisae, Transcend, Peregrine, Gerryoat, and Peregrine.

Scumbloc is Ramcius, Manuel, ConManMick.

Some games you win by scumhunting.

Some games you win by Townhunting.

This game? I might be both.

Explain

[Fro99er]

Holy shit, drealmerz is in this?

*ISOs*

That's a scum ISO from drealmerz. I've been playing a lot with him, and I'm calling it. He joins the scumbloc.

Explain

[Fro99er]

Holy shit check out the whiteknighting that Pep is doing. Iron flips scum, we do Pep next.

God dammit

[Fro99er]

Never mind, I decided to not be lazy, and there was a VC more recently that I thought. This is 6 votes, L-4

Ironstove - Yoshi, Gerry, Clumsy, Transcend, Elena, Pine

VOTE: Ironstove

Flashwagon go go go

I take it back.

This is the worst vote on iron.

Literally didn't mention iron before this.

Then *super careful* about not lynching but then says "flashwagon GO LOLZ"

[Fro99er]

tbh I don't like how Pine is lining up lynches, but I sorta wanna do the same considering I have some pretty strong scumreads (tbh I think drealmerz is scummier then I just listed him to be thinking about it a bit more and should be a lot lower with mick and clum).

pedit: CABD! HI! HI! HI! HI! HI! HI! HI! HI!

Drealmerz is my strongest town read

[Fro99er]

Yo I'm a mason with Cabd

OMGAWD I LIKE HOW YOU REPLACE IN WHEN I SAY THIS AS THE FIRST LINE LOL XD.

I CAN SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THE FUUUUUUUUUUTRE

LMAO clairvoyance

[Fro99er]

tbh I don't like how Pine is lining up lynches, but I sorta wanna do the same considering I have some pretty strong scumreads (tbh I think drealmerz is scummier then I just listed him to be thinking about it a bit more and should be a lot lower with mick and clum).

pedit: CABD! HI! HI! HI! HI! HI! HI! HI! HI!

Drealmerz is my strongest town read

Really? I don't think this is his towngame lmao. It's mostly off of gut tho not to mention the beatlejuice thingy.

I've never played with. What's his towngame like and give me an example or two.

[Fro99er]

While I go dig and do #research
from what I heard, he does a lot more tunneling and posts a lot more.
Like he becomes a PL lynch basicly. I'll go get some games tho, but I think Pine might have some better examples since I think he played with drealmerz a bit more.

Wait, so you're saying this isn't his town game without actually knowing if it's his town game?

[Fro99er]

Nonononono

UNVOTE:

I need to think about this. I have so many scum reads

[Fro99er]

Give me that research aliase...of games you played in

[Fro99er]

I have no maf games completed on site.

So, without compromising any ongoing games, you just think this is not his towngame because why???

[Fro99er]

lol mod shouldn't lock the thread just to get a pagetop

[Fro99er]

While I go dig and do #research
from what I heard, he does a lot more tunneling and posts a lot more.
Like he becomes a PL lynch basicly. I'll go get some games tho, but I think Pine might have some better examples since I think he played with drealmerz a bit more.

Wait, so you're saying this isn't his town game without actually knowing if it's his town game?

I skimmed them awhile back. Here have some games.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69509
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69351

pedit: kay comin up. They're all towngames.

On a skim I kinda see what you mean in the second one. But the first one isn't all that different from here. I think you need a better case than meta. Because it's a shit case if that's all you have.

Clumsy dies today

VOTE: Clumsy

[Fro99er]

Ninja'd. I don't scum read you right now. I actually town read you but I wanted to know your case on drealmerz. It's a pretty shitty case as of right now

[Fro99er]

God dammit so many Pedit's ninja things

[Fro99er]

Spoiler: vote counts

Vote Count 1.20

ConManMick -

[4] Pine, Alisae, PeregrineV, Transcend

drealmerz7 -

[0]

Transcend -

[0]

Pine -

[0]

Alisae -

[1] drealmerz7

Jaack -

[1] Gamma Emerald

Elena Fisher -

[1] Pepchoninga

BigYoshiFan -

[0]

Manuel87 -

[0]

PeregrineV -

[0]

Gamma Emerald -

[0]

PenguinPower -

[0]

Lemon Tree -

[0]

ironstone -

[2] gerryoat, BigYoshiFan

kuror0 -

[0]

Pepchoninga -

[1] Elena Fisher

Clumsy -

[1] Jaack

gerryoat -

[2] ConManMick, Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower, Lemon Tree, kuror0, ironstove, Clumsy

Mod Notes –

Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 17 January.

With 18 Alive, It Takes 10 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2017-01-23 01:24:08).

Vote Count 1.21

ConManMick -

[1] PeregrineV

drealmerz7 -

[0]

Transcend -

[0]

Pine -

[0]

Alisae -

[1] drealmerz7

Jaack -

[1] Gamma Emerald

Elena Fisher -

[1] Pepchoninga

BigYoshiFan -

[0]

Manuel87 -

[0]

PeregrineV -

[0]

Gamma Emerald -

[0]

PenguinPower -

[0]

Lemon Tree -

[0]

[L-3]

ironstove -

[7] gerryoat, BigYoshiFan, Clumsy, Elena Fisher, Transcend, Pine, Alisae

kuror0 -

[0]

Pepchoninga -

[0]

Clumsy -

[1] Jaack

gerryoat -

[2] ConManMick, Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower, Lemon Tree, kuror0, ironstove

Mod Notes –

Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 17 January.
Will be updated later

With 18 Alive, It Takes 10 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2017-01-23 01:24:08).

Vote Count 1.22

ConManMick -

[2] PeregrineV, Transcend

drealmerz7 -

[0]

Transcend -

[0]

Pine -

[0]

Alisae -

[1] drealmerz7

Jaack -

[1] Gamma Emerald

Elena Fisher -

[1] Pepchoninga

BigYoshiFan -

[0]

Manuel87 -

[0]

PeregrineV -

[0]

Gamma Emerald -

[0]

PenguinPower -

[0]

Lemon Tree -

[0]

[L-4]

ironstove -

[7] gerryoat, BigYoshiFan, Clumsy, Elena Fisher, Pine, Alisae

kuror0 -

[0]

Pepchoninga -

[0]

Clumsy -

[1] Jaack

gerryoat -

[2] ConManMick, Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower, Lemon Tree, kuror0, ironstove

Mod Notes –

Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 17 January.

With 18 Alive, It Takes 10 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2017-01-23 01:24:08).

Vote Count 1.23

ConManMick -

[2] PeregrineV, Transcend

drealmerz7 -

[0]

Transcend -

[0]

Pine -

[0]

Alisae -

[1] drealmerz7

Jaack -

[1] Gamma Emerald

Elena Fisher -

[0]

BigYoshiFan -

[0]

Manuel87 -

[0]

PeregrineV -

[0]

Gamma Emerald -

[0]

Fro99er -

[0]

Cabd -

[0]

ironstove -

[4] gerryoat, Clumsy, Elena Fisher, Pine

kuror0 -

[0]

Pepchoninga -

[0]

Clumsy -

[5] Jaack, Fro99er, BigYoshiFan, Alisae, Pepchoninga

gerryoat -

[2] ConManMick, Manuel87

Not Voting -

Cabd, kuror0, ironstove

Mod Notes –

Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 17 January.

With 18 Alive, It Takes 10 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2017-01-23 01:24:08).

Come on clumsy. Iron went from 2 to 7 in 150 posts.

You went from 1 to 5 in nearly 200 posts.

[Fro99er]

This is why I like to play as scum. If people scum-read me, I'm not getting frustrated at it, it's just because they're right. As town it's infinitely more irritating.

This is so meh. So self aware

[Fro99er]

That still doesn't address what I'm saying. But keep dancing around things and just trying to make me look bad. Can't wait to rub it in your face.

Tell me what I am dancing around

[Fro99er]

Since there is to much resistence on gerry anyway might as well vote Pep again

What is your read on clumsy?

Why resist the Clumsy wagon?

[Fro99er]

Clumsy, you still haven't made your case on Iron as I requested.

Only using posts from before I joined the game, which is when you had your vote on him.

[Fro99er]

Clumsy, you still haven't made your case on Iron as I requested.

Only using posts from before I joined the game, which is when you had your vote on him.

So you can't use resistance as your case.

[Fro99er]

Iron wagon is scum motivated and clumsy' seas the grossest. Especially after listing iron as his top scumread several times before finally voting him with a half-assed sense of care of doing so

Oh man, I wonder if that had to do with me playing catchup a little at a time, and not wanting to place a vote that affects the current gamestate while I'm reading the past gamestate. Just a thought though.

Just got off work, need to read the newest pages.

@Yoshi: thanks for the explanation. Clears that up for me.

explain your case on iron so it's not buried in spoiler tags.

Clumsy, you still haven't made your case on Iron as I requested.

Only using posts from before I joined the game, which is when you had your vote on him.

So you can't use resistance as your case.

150 posts ago and you won't endulge me with your case.

WHY DID YOU INITIALLY VOTE IRON ALL CAPS

[Fro99er]

FWIW I don't think his defensiveness is alignment indicative. I think his lack of having a real case on iron is.

[Fro99er]

A wagon on Ironstove formed. I didnt like the wagon because of the ppl on it (mainly gerry). But his comeback into the thread was aweful. Instead of reading the thread to see why he is pushed he throws around random arguments. Yet after thes his wagon suddenly shifts to Clumsy.

So you didn't like the iron wagon because of the people on it but you're going to stick with the iron wagon that had your scum reads because a counter wagon formed???

This is bad analysis.

[Fro99er]

FWIW I don't think his defensiveness is alignment indicative. I think his lack of having a real case on iron is.

Both contribute to one thing tho. Scum.

GTFO with that. Come on dude. Defensiveness can contribute to town.

[Fro99er]

FWIW I don't think his defensiveness is alignment indicative. I think his lack of having a real case on iron is.

Both contribute to one thing tho. Scum.

GTFO with that. Come on dude. Defensiveness can contribute to town.

I agree, but when you are in a situation like he is, you shouldn't be committing to a defence ONLY. you aksed for a case and he didn't give it. Right now, he should be showing us why his scumreads are better then him by continuing his scumhunt.

Ok, I definitely agree with this. Makes more sense when you say it's situational rather than blanket.

[Fro99er]

Go ahead, be useful, and stop voting your vanity wagon.

Or make a case why we should be voting Mick.

[Fro99er]

I'm not enthused by Clumsy or iron ropings though. Not enough to actively stop them, but enough to not vote that way for the time being.

This says nothing other than "oh I'm fine with whatever wagon"

Why not enough for them relative to mick?

[Fro99er]

Ok yeah that makes no sense.

[Fro99er]

A wagon on Ironstove formed. I didnt like the wagon because of the ppl on it (mainly gerry). But his comeback into the thread was aweful. Instead of reading the thread to see why he is pushed he throws around random arguments. Yet after thes his wagon suddenly shifts to Clumsy.

So you didn't like the iron wagon because of the people on it but you're going to stick with the iron wagon that had your scum reads because a counter wagon formed???

This is bad analysis.

No i thought he could be scum because of his comeback tantrum. scum being on his wagon also doesnt necessarily mean he cant be scum (in the other scumteam).
And i am not on the Ironwagon. Pep has a way higher chance to flip scum for me and if he does Iron has a good chance to be his buddy.

*slams head on desk*

[Fro99er]

I actually think Manuel might just be confused as fuck town

[Fro99er]

Hey Ironstove. I like how you call me out for voting you. It's cute considering it's
A. OMGUS
B. In that readlist I had you paired up with Pep.
C. I specificly mention voting you because of Pep.

Why did you townread him then what made you change your mind to voting him?

[Fro99er]

THIS GUY. LOL

I KNOW RIGHT

[Fro99er]

RESISTANCE TO THE CLUMSY WAGON IS TELLING YET CLUMSY PRETENDS ITS THE FASTEST WAGON EVER.

[Fro99er]

Hey Ironstove. I like how you call me out for voting you. It's cute considering it's
A. OMGUS
B. In that readlist I had you paired up with Pep.
C. I specificly mention voting you because of Pep.

Why did you townread him then what made you change your mind to voting him?

I townread him origonally with the mindset of him being lynchbait like Pep, but then Pep started whiteknighting him.

Where?

[Fro99er]

I caught up, here's what I think so far:

mafia:

pine - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8726248
elena fisher - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8727384
transcend - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8727931
alise - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8725864, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8730331
clumsy - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8730311

town:

jack
conmanmick
kuror0
dream
PeregrineV
bigyoshifan
pepchoninga

null:

ramcius
gerryoat
fro99er
cabd

I feel left out : /

I lol'd

I think manny is just bad town

[Fro99er]

Alisae I'm not seeing the WK but maybe I'm just missing it on catch up?

You know what a WK is right? Usually scum WK town. Not one scum to their buddy.

And aren't you the one who said preflip associations are bad?

[Fro99er]

@Alisae -- You thought pep WK'd his own buddy?

[Fro99er]

So why is that a White Knight?

It's like you know iron's alignment...

[Fro99er]

@Alisae -- You thought pep WK'd his own buddy?

It was something Pine advertised and like many things Alisae desided to sheep that thought.

Also funny thing. Pine made a lot of fuss about how obvscum I am and he is gone.

And has been posting elsewhere.

If it was Pine's original thought then Pine is even worse looking than alisae

[Fro99er]

Fro9 no one knows anyone's alignment except for scum on the same faction.

I'm sure you know that but just in case.

Right. My point is to jump to the conclusion of WK means you have to believe that the person being WK'd is a different alignment than the WK-ee

Or...at minimum WK's don't make sense right now with multi ball so to vote based off a perceived WK is meeeeehhhhhh at best

[Fro99er]

So why is that a White Knight?

It's like you know iron's alignment...

"I like to use buzzwords but not know what they mean or how they work"
explain how that's a slip please.

I never said it's a slip.

I said why do you think it's a WK? It makes no sense

[Fro99er]

My lynch pool

{PV, PV, PV, PV, repeat ad infinitum}

[Fro99er]

Trans I'll lynch Mack or Jaack out of those you mentioned. I wanna give Cabd's slot a bit more time.

Reads list plz

[Fro99er]

I am townreading pep too

[Fro99er]

Alisae explain the pine gamma and mick reads plz

I haven't interacted with any of those yet

[Fro99er]

The resistance to Clumsy is even more pronounced

[Fro99er]

Yo nerds, ywall down for a flashwagon on Jaack?

Pine has some towny posts. But my stronger TR comes from that one moment where he asked where he should vote and I told him to get his own reads.

The Gamma read, I don't usually see shitposting from him to the extent he did so within the first few pages, so it made me feel like he was scum trying to blend in with what was going on at the time.

I feel like Mick hopped on the early Ironstove wagon at a really bad time. Not to mention I don't like their interaction with Garry.

pedit: Manuel yeah I did, but Pine also said that Pep was WKing Iron.

These expensive lanations are so bad.

Then she abandons the Clumsy wagon...

[Fro99er]

Lol phone.

These explanations

[Fro99er]

Frogger I do believe Clum needs rope, but I wanna pressure the Jaack slot. That slot hasn't been pressured that much for majority of the game.
1144 should be my case on Jaack.

Ok this is good. Easily your best case of the game.

Do you get my point about the Clumsy resistance? Why is Clumsy so adamant iron is scum? If he's town he can't know that yet he's using that as his salvo to avoid lynch (trust me you don't want to lynch me or town loses so lynch the guy I want)

[Fro99er]

Clumsy is in my bottom 4. I am ok with it, but prefer iron.

Resistance

[Fro99er]

Elena what do you make of the Clumsy wagon?

It's the counter wagon to scum. Simple really

Resistance

[Fro99er]

Anyways lynchpool = Jaack, Lemonslot, Mick

Manny's been okay lately but I've scumread him before then townread him when he was scum and IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN

I'll deadline lynch these people: Clumsy, Manny, GE, kuror0, ironstove

I might have missed someone or a few people

Resistance

[Fro99er]

Does that help you cabd

[Fro99er]

In addition to Alisae now hopping off

[Fro99er]

May I borrow that qupte of your?

Well its not mine but i dont think MathBlade would mind.

Manuel gimmie your reads right now please.

Scum:
Pep, gerry, Pine, Gamma
Town: drealmerz, Clumsy, Transcend, PeregrineV
Can make a Rainbowlist Transcend style later with all players when i have my break at work.

Since there is to much resistence on gerry anyway might as well vote Pep again

What is your read on clumsy?
Why resist the Clumsy wagon?

See above.
A wagon on Ironstove formed. I didnt like the wagon because of the ppl on it (mainly gerry). But his comeback into the thread was aweful. Instead of reading the thread to see why he is pushed he throws around random arguments. Yet after thes his wagon suddenly shifts to Clumsy.

Resistance

[Fro99er]

Clum has had enough pressure on him for a bit.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

"Had enough pressure for a bit"

So you'll just let scum off the hook?

[Fro99er]

na, i think two mafia teams means both teams would try to earnestly scum hunt.

Which is why the RESISTANCE to Clumsy is so telling

[Fro99er]

Ok Mr. Frog if there's so much resistance on Clumsy that you don't like, whose resistance doyou think is from Clumsy's partner?

If you want to play preflip association game then Pine (who isn't even part of the resistance because they flaked this game yet are posting elsewhere) or Elena are the worst ones.

[Fro99er]

clumsy's been pounced

Clumsy was resisted at L-5

[Fro99er]

You're calling me hopping off a Clum wagon resisting it even tho I'm okay with a lynch on it, just want to pressure a really unpressured slot before hopping back on?
Yeah no, shut the fuck up.

Ok fuck you. You're just posturing to be on any fucking wagon you want.

[Fro99er]

"I'm crying scum not getting the lynch they want, look at me cry."
You're still not answering the question of why you are so against a Jaack wagon.

You're a piece of shit and the exact reason I left this site in the first place. I didn't start the curse war. You did.

I said you made a good case on Jaack but that was your only good case all game and I'm not going to join a wagon with someone I don't trust (read: you) especially in lieu of a Clumsy lynch which is far more obvious.

[Fro99er]

And which has had so much resistance

[Fro99er]

"I'm crying scum not getting the lynch they want, look at me cry."
You're still not answering the question of why you are so against a Jaack wagon.

You're a piece of shit and the exact reason I left this site in the first place. I didn't start the curse war. You did.

I said you made a good case on Jaack but that was your only good case all game and I'm not going to join a wagon with someone I don't trust (read: you) especially in lieu of a Clumsy lynch which is far more obvious.

So it's bad I want to pressure a slot that has had no pressure all game?

That's not what I said at all, but if you want to put words in my mouth go ahead.

[Fro99er]

You should understand that a scum player would try to instigate a town player like this in order to get you reported and force-replaced or mod-killed.

You should understand to not tell me how to play the game

[Fro99er]

Yeah I thought so too.
But it's like Froggy is trying to avoid pressuring the Jaack slot altogether cuz he's complaining that his wagon has resistance. Why do you think that is?

Fro99er join me in lynching alise please.

No.

We're lynching Clumsy.

What is wrong with you people

[Fro99er]

Oh gods, alisae. Please don't be turning into Titus.

[Fro99er]

From what I've seen Froggy has only been focused on Clumsy. While I like his push and may acquiesce there eventually, I do want to know where his other reads lie.

Clumsy and Pine scum together

No idea who is another faction but iron, manny, dreal, pep, yoshi, Gerry, you town

Elena, Jaake, Alisae possibly scum (not necessarily together..for example Alisae and Jaake don't seem aligned)

No clue about the rest I haven't interacted with yet

[Fro99er]

Just remember...Alisae cursed at me first.

I don't take that disrespectful BS. It's why I left the site in the first place. This is my first game back so i see nothing has changed.

I am aware, but the rules count for both of you as well as for everyone else.

[Fro99er]

Frog: do you get reads based off of interacting with slots?

Always

[Fro99er]

Come on iron. Shitposting is not necessarily alignment indicative. I've had a few shit posts here and there

Motivation and emotion are.

[Fro99er]

I like this Clumsy wagon a lot more than the iron one.

I still think iron+pepcho makes some sense, but I'm more confident in pepcho scum than iron scum so I'd rather lynch that first.

But yeah, let's lynch clumsy. Ramcius was scumlord and clumsy has been pretty blah, leaning scum.

Sooo I don't like this post. Basically he is saying this. I think Pep is more likely to be scum then iron. So let's lynch that first. But yeah, let's lynch clumsy. Cuz he is leaning scum. Uuuuu, no.

That's like not at all what I'm saying.

I'm saying that Clumsy's slot as a whole is scummy. Clumsy by himself is just scumleaning, but Ramcius was How to Scumlord 101. So combined they are still super scummy.

That would be my preference.

My second preference would be to lynch you. I think you are independently rather scummy but not to the point of Ram/Clumsy. I also think that your reaction to iron's wagon was that of a likely scumpartner. I don't really have any issue with iron's stuff alone, but your connection to him makes him a viable lynch after you've been flipped scum. The "let's lynch that first" is let's lynch you before we lynch iron. I think it's pretty clear with both where my vote is and my focus on lynching the ramcius/clumsy slot that I want to do that lynch D1 above all else.

My Jaake scum read comes from here and from the fact that him and Alisae are either really shitty TvT (unlikely) or separate alignments.

This post is not very good, lining up an iron lynch after a pep lynch. Plus that whole "clumsy is a scum lean but that slot is my top scum read?" thing

[Fro99er]

Come on iron. Shitposting is not necessarily alignment indicative. I've had a few shit posts here and there

Motivation and emotion are.

see this guy's scummie banner?

i didn't read his scummie game but this post alone makes me believe he thoroughly deserved it.

i hope to play more games with you in the future frog, your playstyle is quite a bit similar to mine and we look for the same things when scumhunting.

fro99er, what does the lining inside of transcend's pocket feel like?

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

Iron, who else is your scum read besides Alisae and Trans? Did I miss a read of yours on Clumsy?

[Fro99er]

Iron is my strongest town read FWIW

[Fro99er]

Just remember...Alisae cursed at me first.

I don't take that disrespectful BS. It's why I left the site in the first place. This is my first game back so i see nothing has changed.

I am aware, but the rules count for both of you as well as for everyone else.

I was nowhere closely to breaking any rules

You weren't. Others came very close. I just happened to paste it in your post since it voiced a concern regarding it.
Now I'll shut up about it. It's over for now, anywyay.

[Fro99er]

No my arguement for you is that you are misrepresenting my iso. I'm aware that you found some shitposting and pictures and stuff, but you're saying that's what my ISO only is.

So is he scum for that, or just wrong, in your view?

[Fro99er]

Frogger, can we just let bygones be bygones?
I apologize for cussing you out. Alright?
Can we be bros and hug it out?

No.

My first interaction with you is initiating this. I'm tired of dealing with people who treat me like that and then claim they are sorry (then usually go back to doing it again). ESPECIALLY on our first interaction ever.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Ironstove
Yeah, I'm down for this now BECUASE of Pep.

Can you explain why more so wrong than scum when you thought he was scum prior. What changed? I may have missed it in all the bruhaha

[Fro99er]

This town is so fractured and it's day one.

I'm pretty confident in my Clumsy read. Quite confident. My next strongest scum read is Pine, only because they are avoiding this game and because they apparently initiated the whole White Knight thing, which I think is a bunch of horse-hockey. There's some oreflio associatives there too and Pine's pushes are crap on an iSO adobe.

After that, I have a bunch of could be scum reads and Iron is helping me add to them. I want to synchronize with Iron and anyone else who is actively town.

[Fro99er]

I'll hop on the Clum wagon in a bit, I want to talk with Jaack a bit before I do tho.

Ok, Jaake why are you scum reading Clumsy?

Who else are you scum reading and why?

Who is your strongest town read.

What do you make of Alise's post 1144?

[Fro99er]

1144 was EASILY Alisae's best post of the game and why I'm unsure of his alignment.

[Fro99er]

I really don't think Pine is scum? But you have me pretty convinced on Clumsy.

Why not?

[Fro99er]

Iron and Alisae are kinda reading like a TvT tho going back and forth over nothing.

I think Alisae's emotions might be towny?

[Fro99er]

Like I think you may be onto something with scum!Pine.

I really think Pine is scum, slightly less than Clumsy. But those two are my strongest scum reads. Although if you're town, i feel better about scum!Jaake

[Fro99er]

I'm sorry Iron but the "I'm getting the feeling he isn't scumreading Pep as hard as he is Ramicus" is pretty town.

[Fro99er]

I'm sorry Iron but the "I'm getting the feeling he isn't scumreading Pep as hard as he is Ramicus" is pretty town.

Like that's actually looking into the quality of someone's reads and their motivations. "I'll vote this guy instead of another" is scum motivated, and Alisae pointed that out so I have to give town credit there and scum credit to Jaake

[Fro99er]

Either way, I'm going to sleep.
I don't really care about proving myself as town to you two or anyone who thinks I am scum. All I care about is finding scum and explaining why they need rope.

PURE. FUCKING. HYPOCRISY. He makes this post after he makes an earlier post trying to pressure me like this:

Yeah Iron, if you were town I would believe that you would attempt to catch up on what you missed, address people's concerns that they have about you, then attempt to redirect your pressure somewhere else. You aren't doing that.

Yeah Iron, if you were town I would believe that you would attempt to catch up on what you missed, address people's concerns that they have about you, then attempt to redirect your pressure somewhere else. You aren't doing that.

I said I'm going to do it tomorrow when I get home, I'm interacting with people right now that are responding to me at this very moment.

You're also making yourself look worse while you do that.

LOLOLOLOL

What's the hypocrisy?

I think you're confbiasing?

[Fro99er]

btw Frogger I still feel bad. I don't think you believe me but that's fine if you don't.

ATE.ATE.ATE.ATE.

Trans I don't want to lynch Pine today, but I don't want to TR him either. Look at his ISO, he really comes off as trying not to attract any attention to himself and trying to moreso just blend in and just go along with what all of the cool kids are doing.

Why not lynch today?

[Fro99er]

No idea how that first quote got there

[Fro99er]

ok not really but dont lynch pine i want him around

Why do you want pine around? Do you think he's a strong town player from past games, or do you think his gameplay thus far has warranted players to give him the benefit of the doubt?

This is town and makes me want to look at that L-3 wagon on iron yet again.

[Fro99er]

Either way, I'm going to sleep.

I don't really care about proving myself as town to you two or anyone who thinks I am scum.

All I care about is finding scum and explaining why they need rope.

PURE. FUCKING. HYPOCRISY. He makes this post after he makes an earlier post trying to pressure me like this:

Yeah Iron,

if you were town I would believe that you would attempt to catch up on what you missed, address people's concerns that they have about you

, then attempt to redirect your pressure somewhere else. You aren't doing that.

LOLOLOLOL

What's the hypocrisy?

I think you're confbiasing?

There is no hypocrisy there. You misread that.

1st bold says "I don't care about proving myself (Arisae) as town"

2nd bold is saying "if YOU were town I'd believe you'd do X"

[Fro99er]

Iron, let me ask you again, how do I know you aren't confbiasing me?

HOW DO I EVEN ANSWER THIS QUESTION? HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW? WHY ARE YOU EVEN ASKING ME THIS QUESTION? WHAT IS THIS STUPID QUESTION? I THOUGHT THIS WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION AND IT DIDN'T NEED AN ANSWER BUT YOU KEEP QUOTING IT LIKE I AM SUPPOSED TO ANSWER IT SOMEHOW WHY DO YOU KEEP ASKING ME THIS?

ALL CAPS

[Fro99er]

Vote Count 1.21

ConManMick -

[1] PeregrineV

drealmerz7 -

[0]

Transcend -

[0]

Pine -

[0]

Alisae -

[1] drealmerz7

Jaack -

[1] Gamma Emerald

Elena Fisher -

[1] Pepchoninga

BigYoshiFan -

[0]

Manuel87 -

[0]

PeregrineV -

[0]

Gamma Emerald -

[0]

PenguinPower -

[0]

Lemon Tree -

[0]

[L-3]

ironstove -

[7] gerryoat, BigYoshiFan, Clumsy, Elena Fisher, Transcend, Pine, Alisae

kuror0 -

[0]

Pepchoninga -

[0]

Clumsy -

[1] Jaack

gerryoat -

[2] ConManMick, Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower, Lemon Tree, kuror0, ironstove

Mod Notes –

Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 17 January.
Will be updated later

With 18 Alive, It Takes 10 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2017-01-23 01:24:08).

This was the L-3 wagon

[Fro99er]

I still think Clumsy has the biggest contradiction in the gane

[Fro99er]

Pine: One of the leading forces on the Clumsy wagon. The worst reads in the game so far and i dont see a townplayer that bad so the only explanation is he is scum.

Pine isn't on the Clumsy wagon

[Fro99er]

So Alisae didn't like Jaack switching from Ram/Clumsy slot to Pep because pep was gaining speed and that's opportunistic

But then Alisae yells at me for not leaving my strongest scum read (Clumsy) to vote you because it's gaining speed

Got it

[Fro99er]

My read on Alisae just shot down to the gutter. If that flips scum, Gerry could be on the same team. VOTE: Alisae

Why did it just get shot down the gutter?

[Fro99er]

catching up

so clumsy claims mason, pine is still gone but not forgotten

VOTE: pine

[Fro99er]

Frogger, read on Pep

I am townreading pep too

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE: Clumsy
I have reason to believe him.

LOL SCUM MASON ENABLER DIE DIE DIE

(sarcasm)

[Fro99er]

Pine's town. I have a feeling that Clumsy's mason partner is someone I scumread since his reads were polar opposites of mine.

Why is pine town? Everything Pine did before I joined the game seemed scummy, and now pine has been active elsewhere on site but avoiding this game like the plague.

[Fro99er]

I could do gerry or transcend, but transcend is just having so much fun!!!

How about we lynch an actual lynch candidate, like Pine or Jaack

[Fro99er]

it's all gutreads atm

I have a healthy gut

I think they're having fun, as scum, controlling the field and just playing around

can't tell about pine in that

I think pine could be caught up in the energy from transcend, and transcend has that energy because enthused to be scum in a multiball

So you're putting them on the same team?

You just have gut reads after 90+ pages?

Pine caught up in transcend's energy? Pine hasn't posted in days.

[Fro99er]

I just found that post scummy as fuck.
VOTE: ironstove

This is fucking stupid.

[Fro99er]

I just found that post scummy as fuck.
VOTE: ironstove

This is fucking stupid.

SAY WHY IT IS STUPID, otherwise your comment is just as stupid or worse!

because iron is town. Iron either

1) clearly derpvoted without reading (which is more scum leaning, but town makes that mistake too and that alone from iron's body of work in the game isn't enough to vote him)

2) or read up and knew what was going on with the mason claim, yet still tried to push for a clumsy lynch, which is likely too ballsy for scum to do.

[Fro99er]

did I say something about them being on the same teams?!?!?!! I don't think I did...

It looks like you implied it..."pine feeding off transcend's energy" but you didn't explicity state it, no.

[Fro99er]

did I say something about them being on the same teams?!?!?!! I don't think I did...

It looks like you implied it..."pine feeding off transcend's energy" but you didn't explicity state it, no.

Which is why I ended the sentence with a question mark.

Why so defensive?

[Fro99er]

As for Clumsy's mason partner coming forward, I'm on the fence about it. There's pro's and con's to both actions. A lot of it comes down to multi-ball setup spec, which makes me lean toward having his mason partner claim, but I can also see the usefulness in not claiming and crumbing.

[Fro99er]

Alisae, I like where you're coming from.

He basically vote parked on the iron and clumsy wagons.

VOTE: Yoshi

[Fro99er]

Guys I just think this needs rope. Please lynch the dude. His flip will give very useful information due to the amount of discussion we have had and if Yoshi did really solf a mason claim we might aphave a confirmed scum/town.

Same works if we just flip yoshi

[Fro99er]

catching up

so clumsy claims mason, pine is still gone but not forgotten

VOTE: pine

Do you really belive the mason claim?

Calm Down

and

Read on

[Fro99er]

Iron wagon:

Gerry, yoshi, Clumsy, Elena, Transcend, pine, alisae

Clumsy wagon:

jaack, yoshi, pep, iron, transcend, alisae, Gerry, kuror (+you can add me by default on there, because I was out yesterday when this went down, but obviously I pushed clumsy the hardest and would have been on the wagon if here)


if we assume, for a second, that iron and clumsy are town (and I'm not comfortable assuming this with Clumsy...and also this could even work in a multi-ball situation, but just work with me on this assumption for a minute) then

- Yoshi, Gerry, Transcend, and Alisae were on both wagons
- clumsy and iron voted each other as town
- elena and pine were unique to iron
- myself, kuror, jaack, and pep were unique to clumsy

Just noting for later in the game

[Fro99er]

Clumsy is the lynch for today. Period.

we'll see, but you're probably not going to have much support for it because people don't like lynching a claimed mason on D1, so you should help us with Yoshi.

[Fro99er]

Yoshi, Gerry, Transcend, and Alisae were on both wagons

I've had those 2 in my bottom 4 all game. Of course I'd be on both of them lol

What's your point?

[Fro99er]

Clumsy is the lynch for today. Period.

we'll see, but you're probably not going to have much support for it because people don't like lynching a claimed mason on D1, so you should help us with Yoshi.

I know that, but still. A mason claim at this time is very fitting. It's not a power role also it keep you bathered about who could be the other mason. All in all its all just made for a protection. I belive if people try to see it from this perspective things will change.

Yoshi softed a mason claim too.

Look, I'm with you. I don't trust Clumsy's claim, mostly because Clumsy and his slot have acted scummy all game. And that failure to out a mason buddy reads as a scum move in some ways.

But it's just not going to happen today unless town decides it's better for Clumsy's mason buddy to out him or herself and then there is no second mason.

Which is why ringing up Yoshi gives us solid info too, because he was on both wagons and softed and has tried to be LAMIST with his fake hammers and fake pretending to know what's going on with Clumsy, and his "you're at L-1" shit every time someone joins the game.

[Fro99er]

Idc as long as he's not at L-1 where someone can lolhammer him.

I like everyone on the wagon except Clumsy, but that could easily change when he responds tomorrow.

Doesn't like lolhammer


*Frog enters game*

Hai frog, you're at L-1 and I'm gonna hammer if you don't respond.

Threatens to lolhammer me.


(I know it was a reaction test, but he's trying to reaction test TOO much for my liking because he thinks reaction tests are super town so must do as much as possible)

[Fro99er]

Yoshi, Gerry, Transcend, and Alisae were on both wagons

I've had those 2 in my bottom 4 all game. Of course I'd be on both of them lol

What's your point?

You made it sound like it was weird for me to vote both of them

No I didn't.

I just made the observation that you and three others were on both wagons. I never said it was weird for you to vote both of them.

why so defensive?

[Fro99er]

You made it sound like it was weird for me to vote both of them

Point out exactly where I said it was weird for you to vote both of them.

[Fro99er]

So both Mason could die n1 if they both claim but if they don't then one Mason dies and another town could die anyway like a pr so I'm still not sold on the Mason not claiming.

I think we get the most value out of the Mason claim right now by clearing two towns, blocking the cc, and narrowing the lynch pool.

There are people still skeptical about the clumsy Mason claim. I personally have not been convinced that the Mason should hide and my experience playing with Masons tells me it is better to claim both if one is out before one dies and then the Mason claim can never be confirmed and it comes down to Wifom.

A Mason without a partner is as useful as a VT. Also I agree maf cannot coordinate to kill both Masons even assuming they would try to kill both Masons.. We also might have doc or watchers in the game so still not sold on Masons hiding.

100% this.

there are some drawbacks, which I'm not going to get into, but the pros seem to outweigh the cons IMO.

[Fro99er]

if we assume, for a second, that iron and clumsy are town

Unless you're implying that from your point of view that assuming that both are town there isnothing weird about being on them

Where does that say I thought it was weird you were voting both of them?

[Fro99er]

I say Mason claims. I feel like the thread is gonna be a circle Jeri around clumsy the next few days if we don't get the claim out of the way

Put me on the mason claim train

[Fro99er]

Where does that say I thought it was weird you were voting both of them?

Well if I was assuming that 2 people were town. I'd be most weary of the people voting the 2 of them. I was just giving you the reason why I voted them.

If you read the last sentence, I said I was leaving this there for later. Always helps after we get a few flips to see what people did. And I never said the four people voting both town were the scummiest should both flip town, although yes, that would be implied.

But there were 3 others doing the same...why did you feel so singled out like I targeted you?

[Fro99er]

But there were 3 others doing the same...why did you feel so singled out like I targeted you?

Because I can only speak for myself???

Are you trying to push on me for explaining why i was on both wagons.

And both I still think could be likely scum?

I wasn't asking for people to speak for themselves. I was leaving it there for later analysis.

I'm not pushing on you as much as since you reacted to that post now I want your thoughts on why you reacted that way. Will help for later in the game.

[Fro99er]

no he isnt. if he's actually mason,

he'll be killed eventually. even if not, other maf could kill him.

no need to lynch the mason claim right now day 1

Does this read off for anyone else? I mean, he's right, but the phrasing here strikes me as odd.

I see what you're saying, but I think it's pretty well assumed there are two scum teams, and the only way for you to die if you are a true mason (as he is hypothesizing in his post) is for scum to kill you.

Instead of continuing to be defensive about the mason stuff who are your top scum reads and why?

[Fro99er]

Actually, I'm off the mason claim train. I think without an actual read on clumsy the reasons for the mason to claim probably outweight the reasons for the mason to not claim, although I keep waffling on it. But with a read on clumsy as town, then it adds more reason not to have the second mason claim. And re-reading Clumsy's ISO, they are actually townposting since the claim. (I'll identify why in my next post)

I want Yoshi to die today.

[Fro99er]

Clumsy wall incoming...

ok finally finished catching up. But for now I will just VOTE: clumsy

Many players are catching so we should have a nice end of the day, I have to sleep but tomorrow will post my list and ideas.

I don't like this by the way. If you guys thought my vote on Iron was lazy, what's this? Kuror0, what're all of your reads?

Good catch, and vibes with what Gerry said about kuror scum reading Gerry then voting with Gerry.

Dreal, if you agree, then if you're town you should be in here making a splash D1 instead of just sitting back.

I'm interested about Pine. Don't think not posting here is indicative. But someone is leading town around.

Yoshi's fake vote is towny I think. Iron's been better lately. -sigh- I need to reevaluate reads.

P- edit: try not to talk about it too much, scummies have earsies.

...Dreal, is your vote still on from your first post of the game? Do you still like it there? Why did you go from analyzing Alisae and the game

Spoiler: early game quotes

VOTE: alisae

not RVS

how is what you're doing serving town?

Also if there isn't a wagon on my ass this game that means people are too pussy to push my ass.

this is pure scummyness

shit like this HURTS THE GAME AND HURTS TOWN

totally votable

great, now shut the fuck up and let other people participate and generate reads - the game JUST STARTED

sit back and let yours grow/evolve - observe a bit and maybe learn something even

it is anti-town to shitpost so much and no, not even half of it is "playing the game", it's sucking oxygen out of the room

yep I've played with transcend, the experience has been mixed, but I like his vibe generally and he doesn't OVERoverdo it in my experience - he seems to be considerate of the game and players and does it more for fun to try and bring fun, rather than to be obnoxious - I get the feeling you enjoy being obnoxious more than he does and you get off on knowing you annoy people - you're the type to do something to someone right after they make it clear that it bothers them to have it done to them, and think it's funny and get all "ohhh I was just being funny" when they get upset - it's fucking despicable

but hey, prove me wrong

to coasting? Also, what are your reasons behind wanting Transcend or Gerry?

These two posts are a good push on dreal, who has been coasting. Pushing someone who is coasting is a pretty pro-town thing to do, and it's clear Clumsy wants to advance the game state around dreal. And has a great point with the first line of "if you agree then you'd want to make a splash instead of coasting"

I think Cabd, Dreal, Kuror0, and Pine are all good talking points right now. Maybe Jaack too.

Just clarifying I asked Clumsy about his reads, and while these aren't reads he gives talking points. Let's talk about these.

My read on Alisae just shot down to the gutter. If that flips scum, Gerry could be on the same team. VOTE: Alisae

Clum list your strongest TRs in order from strongest to weakest with the following people in mind:
Manuel, Mick, Elena.

I meant only sorting those 3.

Trans I already found them. In fact I don't need to hunt for something that's in plain sight.

Clums got to L-2 or L-1 or something like that.
And yes Masons are in pairs, but you can easily figure out who they are by looking at his ISO.

-_- Why even ask the first one then? I know of exactly 1 reason to do so.

This is a good observation about Alisae. It appears Alisae is indirectly trying to extract the masonry from Clumsy while saying it's obv who the masonry is. That's pretty conflicting.

[Fro99er]

I want Yoshi to die today.

Give me the case or quote if you said it already

You're a pain.

ISO me and it's in my more recent posts.

[Fro99er]

Spoiler: Here you go Gerry...my Yoshi stuff

Alisae, I like where you're coming from.

He basically vote parked on the iron and clumsy wagons.

VOTE: Yoshi

Guys I just think this needs rope. Please lynch the dude. His flip will give very useful information due to the amount of discussion we have had and if Yoshi did really solf a mason claim we might aphave a confirmed scum/town.

Same works if we just flip yoshi

Clumsy is the lynch for today. Period.

we'll see, but you're probably not going to have much support for it because people don't like lynching a claimed mason on D1, so you should help us with Yoshi.

I know that, but still. A mason claim at this time is very fitting. It's not a power role also it keep you bathered about who could be the other mason. All in all its all just made for a protection. I belive if people try to see it from this perspective things will change.

Yoshi softed a mason claim too.

Look, I'm with you. I don't trust Clumsy's claim, mostly because Clumsy and his slot have acted scummy all game. And that failure to out a mason buddy reads as a scum move in some ways.

But it's just not going to happen today unless town decides it's better for Clumsy's mason buddy to out him or herself and then there is no second mason.

Which is why ringing up Yoshi gives us solid info too, because he was on both wagons and softed and has tried to be LAMIST with his fake hammers and fake pretending to know what's going on with Clumsy, and his "you're at L-1" shit every time someone joins the game.

Idc as long as he's not at L-1 where someone can lolhammer him.

I like everyone on the wagon except Clumsy, but that could easily change when he responds tomorrow.

Doesn't like lolhammer

*Frog enters game*

Hai frog, you're at L-1 and I'm gonna hammer if you don't respond.

Threatens to lolhammer me.

(I know it was a reaction test, but he's trying to reaction test TOO much for my liking because he thinks reaction tests are super town so must do as much as possible)

[Fro99er]

LIKE WHAT IS THIS CRAP re: Clumsy

Spoiler: Yoshi referring to clumsy

VOTE: clumsy
Until he responds AND I'm satisfied with his response.

I'm indifferent between the two now. There's been some pretty convincingly incriminating things said for clumsy that entice me.

I'm back, and I'll catch up tomorrow.
Clumsy, I still want an explanation on the reads I mentioned before.

I've stopped at post 2000, and honestly, I don't remember much of it.
Fro99er has become my strongest TR.
Gerry and Transcend have slipped below, I want to see more discussion from them.
Alisae still strong.
Mick and kuror0 still scumreads.
ironstove looking slightly better.
Pepchoninga still a scumread.
Dunno how I feel about the wagon on Jaack, I think pressure on someone could be better used on someone else but... pressure is pressure.

No, this is hammer.
VOTE: clumsy

UNVOTE: Clumsy
I have reason to believe him.

It's basically, I'll sheep and ask Clumsy to respond but vote park while clumsy responds. (Clumsy never actually responds...honestly this is kinda like scumbuddy stuff with the fake pressure that isn't really pressure). Then in the readslist no mention of Clumsy whatsoever then fake lolhammer.

(what I didn't quote is Yoshi vote parking on Clumsy while actively pushing Pep and Dreal)

[Fro99er]

VOTE: ironstove
Consider it on Mick too. XD

Idc as long as he's not at L-1 where someone can lolhammer him.
I like everyone on the wagon except Clumsy, but that could easily change when he responds tomorrow.

Yeah, Iron, you being on V/LA has nothing to do with it. Nice try.

^^^^
Just my thought as I read it. I luv you Pine <3.

I'll lynch any of Mick, kuror0, or ironstove. I'd prefer ironstove, especially now for Pep's reaction and how he's responded to the wagon so far.

VOTE: clumsy
Until he responds AND I'm satisfied with his response.

This is literally Yoshi's progression on Ironstove.

Sheep votes, does no pushing, throws him in a lynchpool of people to vote (while pushing pep who wasn't in his lynchpool...same thing he did while lazily on Clumsy wagon), gives no reason for his iron vote (other than it's not for V/LA as Pine said), and then says he prefers ironstove because of pep's reaction, which makes no sense. Like he prefers ironstove because of a preflip associative?

[Fro99er]

{Transcend, Gerryoat}

{Elena Fisher, Pine}

{Jaack, PV, Alisae}

{LemonTree, drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald, Ramcius/Clumsy}

{PenguinPower}

{Manuel87, kuror0}

{ConManMick, ironstove, Pepchoninga}

I stole your rainbow reads Transcend. XD

I'll lynch any of Mick, kuror0, or ironstove. I'd prefer ironstove, especially now for Pep's reaction and how he's responded to the wagon so far.

I know this is 200 posts apart, but you're going to have to explain your progression on pep and why you didn't prefer listing him as your preferred lynch or why kuror got the bump up instead of manuel.

[Fro99er]

I'll lynch any of Mick, kuror0, or ironstove. I'd prefer ironstove, especially now for Pep's reaction and how he's responded to the wagon so far.

Also notice clumsy wasn't in this list.

What changed with clumsy to push him above the others for you to go vote clumsy and vote park there?

[Fro99er]

Alright...Yeah, considering Pep's response to it, I think I might consider an ironstove wagon even more now.

At first Pep was like "Eh, I don't really wanna do it, he's probably lynchbait" which comes off as "eh, I don't really wanna bring attention to my scumbuddy."
Then I tell him to do it and he has no excuse.
And now he's like "Eh, he's scummy I guess but I rather lynch Clum and Elena more."
To me this comes across as he never really cared about Ironstove until he was forced to take a stance on it.
Yeah no.

Uff

I hated the ironstove wagon until I saw pepcho''s reaction.

Now I'm significantly more in favor of it. I'm going to have to give iron more than a quick read before I vote there. I might prefer to lynch pepcho first tbh.

It was lots of pages ago, but I kinda had feels that elena and mock could have been partners because elena initial entrance was scum, but she towned up significantly.

I'll lynch any of Mick, kuror0, or ironstove. I'd prefer ironstove,

especially now for Pep's reaction

and how he's responded to the wagon so far.

I don't like Jaack and Yoshi sheeping Alisae's reason. I call bullshit on both of you.

[Fro99er]

kuror thoughts on Yoshi?

[Fro99er]

Funny thing is Alis actually de-bunked this reaction later on.

Which makes Jaack and Yoshi look even worse for sheeping that reason

[Fro99er]

OMG. Alisae yesssss.

I want Yoshi to die today.

[Fro99er]

Who is the other mason?

Not Yoshi

lynch Yoshi please.

[Fro99er]

Frogger can we be BFFs now?

Sure...we can be in thread masons

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Pepchoninga

Can we do Yoshi instead? I think pep is just bad town.

[Fro99er]

What makes me bad town =.=

I mean, if you're town you're bad town. Pushing this mason stuff so hard when it's obvious Yoshi is scum. And wanting Alisae to spoonfeed you answers. Do some work.

I guess it's possible you are scum, but I am leaning toward bad town.

[Fro99er]

FWIW I think Pep's paranoia about Yoshi is pretty towny.

[Fro99er]

Is it just me or does it feel like we are getting nowhere. Maybe I should rethink some of my reads

read on Yoshi please

[Fro99er]

Can we kill someone now? I'm getting bored of this game.

Yoshi.

[Fro99er]

So from my initial skim: The wagon on Clumsy got to L-1; he claimed mason (with some unknown partner); Yoshi then softed at being a partner, people went back and looked at Yoshi's leadup to approaching Clumsy, and it didn't gel with being masons. All correct so far? Some people want the second mason to step forward, others do not.

If all the above is correct, my opinion would be the second mason should step forward if and only if it is yoshi. And if it isn't yoshi, Yoshi is probably a scumbutt.

This is correct for the most part

[Fro99er]

So from my initial skim: The wagon on Clumsy got to L-1; he claimed mason (with some unknown partner); Yoshi then softed at being a partner, people went back and looked at Yoshi's leadup to approaching Clumsy, and it didn't gel with being masons. All correct so far? Some people want the second mason to step forward, others do not.

If all the above is correct, my opinion would be the second mason should step forward if and only if it is yoshi. And if it isn't yoshi, Yoshi is probably a scumbutt.

This is correct for the most part

What part is not?

L-2 instead of L-1.

[Fro99er]

Actually no

VOTE: Alisae

[Fro99er]

Can you give me the part where Yoshi softed the mason partner? I don't see it.

Yoshi didn't soft it per se, but he pointed out he knows he has reason to believe your claim. My guess is he's scum who went through your posts and found the mason and pointed it out all proud like LAMIST. But really scum are concerned with finding out the mason and wanting to look town.

[Fro99er]

@Frog: just putting my vote back to where it was before. Do you think what was pointed out is not scummy?

I did at first...but I think there's another explanation for it that I don't really want to say.

[Fro99er]

@Frog: just putting my vote back to where it was before. Do you think what was pointed out is not scummy?

I did at first...but I think there's another explanation for it that I don't really want to say.

[quote="In post 2532, Fro99er]But really scum are concerned with finding out the mason and wanting to look town.[/quote]
And that's what made me think Alisae's sequence you referred to made me think scum at first. But like I said, I think there's an alternate explanation for the way Alisae went about it.

Yoshi is far far worse and doesn't really have much of an alternate explanation.

[Fro99er]

Fixed quotes

@Frog: just putting my vote back to where it was before. Do you think what was pointed out is not scummy?

I did at first...but I think there's another explanation for it that I don't really want to say.

But really scum are concerned with finding out the mason and wanting to look town.

And the bolded part is what made me think Alisae's sequence you referred to made me think scum at first. But like I said, I think there's an alternate explanation for the way Alisae went about it.

Yoshi is far far worse and doesn't really have much of an alternate explanation.

[Fro99er]

Pine who is scum besides iron in your opinion?

[Fro99er]

No, this is stupid. Both of these reasons are horrible for defending iron as town.

Then tell me why it was scummy as fuck

[Fro99er]

but I have reason to question the Masons.

This

Does not jive with

UNVOTE: Clumsy
I have reason to believe him.

This.

At minimum one of these two is scum.

[Fro99er]

Yoshi vs Pine to the death gogogo

[Fro99er]

Also, opinions on Dreal? Unhelpful town or scum hiding as that?

I'm waffling on Dreal. At first I thought unhelpful town, but I think you're right about the skating by as scum. Even if he's town skating by, your observation of that was pretty towny, and you've acted towny since your claim. So I'm inclined to believe the mason claim and people need to GTFO this mason stuff.

[Fro99er]

but I have reason to question the Masons.

This

Does not jive with

UNVOTE: Clumsy
I have reason to believe him.

This.

At minimum one of these two is scum.

Even more interesting considering they are both voting iron. One of these two is definitely scum. Maybe both.

[Fro99er]

Yoshi your pine read please

[Fro99er]

Clum list your strongest TRs in order from strongest to weakest with the following people in mind:
Manuel, Mick, Elena.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

these are all potential mason partners for clumsy and this post is scummy as fuck

The yoshi vote sucks

I don't sr anyone on it, but it sucks

I thought you just said Alisae's post was scummy as fuck, but you don't scum read alisae (who is on the Yoshi wagon)?

[Fro99er]

iron you're way out of line.

[Fro99er]

If Yoshi deserves patience for content in this game from anyone, it's me. We've got some time.

Correct...we have time.

Do you agree with me that Yoshi/Pine contradicting each other is weird? I could go for a Pine wagon because that slot is doing all of nothing right now.

[Fro99er]

I'm not getting the link between the two, tbh. What ties them together that makes their disagreement mean something?

One of them said

"I have reason to believe Clumsy"

the other said

"I have reason to question Clumsy"

like the both know something. They can't both know opposite things without one of them being scum.

[Fro99er]

I would like these reasons explained.

So would I

@Pine @Yoshi explain up

[Fro99er]

Gun 2 had drealmerz is town

So who is scum? You have Yoshi, pine in your do not lynch list, and dreal as probably town.