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Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:37 am

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In post 1064, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1059, BTD6_maker wrote:
In post 998, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:First off, Pisskop was the beginning slot, he started out the game and continued the pattern of fluffing and frivolous shit posting. When he did post, there wasn't reasoning attached to it, all of them were baseless and were said to just be said.

It also doesn't help that the slot replacement, Ari can't play scum to save his life, in essence making it a suicide slot. The quotes I put in a spoiler, and really they are all his ISO, is literally no game contribution and doesn't address anyone game related.

Also a quick VCA is that scum will disperse their votes to hide in the crowd, so there will be 1/2 in the main wagons and 1/2 in a slot that's been voted once or they are the only vote. Now, looking at the babywagons that happened in D1, the beginning started with dreal and Fate.

Looking at that, Pisskop gave a weak reason which was really a hesitant question more than accusation and put his vote on dreal. The vote only moved from dreal to Fate and this occurred when Pisskop said, Fate was his top scum read, but again, there was no explanation attached to it, essentially making it a naked vote because it is knowingly implied that if you vote someone, it is because you think they are scum.

I am almost 100% confident that Pisskop has been staying off of the main wagons to avoid any serious attention and shitpost so you think to just ignore him.

VOTE: Aristophanes
This is your only Ari case in the last few pages. I can list your main points:

-Pisskop posting little content. This is not something which makes someone obvscum. In fact, Pisskop was probably posting little content because he didn't have time for this game, which is why he replaced.
-Ari being allegedly bad as scum. You could say that Ari is scummier as scum, but that is meta. Meta is not useless, but it cannot make someone obvTown or obvscum.
-The VCA. VCA is generally unreliable (though possible, it is very weak) in Day 1 with no flips at all.
-Pisskop giving next to no explanation for moving votes. I can see your point and this could add to a scumread, but this does not make someone obvscum. Even added together, these points may make someone a weak to moderate scumread, but not obvscum and definitely not confscum. (Unless you are a Day Cop, but I highly doubt that)

PEdit: I have addressed these points in this post.
-Posting little content is a term called "fluffing." I never said that just fluffing made Pisskop obv!scum, just like any valid case, it is one small part in the big picture.

-Ari isn't "allegedly bad as scum." The quote below is confirmation by the accused that what I am saying is true. Arguing that this is not true is ignorance of the facts.
In post 1028, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 998, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Ari can't play scum to save his life
Sad but true.
However, I hadn't read, like, any of the game yet and am doing that now. Get back to me after I catch up a bit and see how you feel. Okay? :)
-The VCA is a tool, in which used correctly, will not be damning by itself, BUT, included in the analysis of a player and finding other reasons as to why he is scummy, it is valid reasoning.

-You said "could add to a scumread." This is exactly what it's doing as it's strengthens the case against Pisskop.

All these points listed by themselves mean very little, however when you take everything together, you have a slam dunk case on to why someone is scum to the point where I'm that confident in it that it couldn't possibly be a town slot.

It's only saving grace right now is that I respect Ari and he said he would read the thread, if he can't produce content within a day or two(which is enough time to catch up), there will be nothing stopping me from parking my vote as that is the final nail on the coffin.
I explicitly acknowledged that you have several reasons. Even taken together, these do not make someone obvscum, let alone confscum. You need stronger evidence for that. It is not a "slam dunk" case, it is a moderate case at best.

Also, you might say Ari is bad as scum. Ari himself might say that. Now look at his W/L record as scum on the wiki. You are probably assuming he is completely hopeless as scum and will lose practically all the time. This is false. He has a decent win rate as scum. You are both probably confirmation biased on that point (remembering scum losses rather than wins).
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Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:44 am

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Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:53 am

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Monokuma would you vote mastina?
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Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:32 pm

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In post 1225, BTD6_maker wrote:Also, you might say Ari is bad as scum. Ari himself might say that. Now look at his W/L record as scum on the wiki. You are probably assuming he is completely hopeless as scum and will lose practically all the time. This is false. He has a decent win rate as scum. You are both probably confirmation biased on that point (remembering scum losses rather than wins).
My team may win, but how often am I already dead in those games?

I've been blessed with amazing teams, but I am the weak link in these otherwise strong groups.

For instance, see this game, which just finished.
Questionable Content Mafia.
My team won, but read how quickly I was lynched after replacing in. Still a victory, but not one that I earned.
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Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:00 pm

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prod dodge, I vehemently oppose a mastina lynch still and will kill anyone not named Nacho, Aeronaut, or Gin and tonic


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Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:32 pm

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Okay, guys, I'm calling an audible. Stand down on Fate, his reads are great for us.
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Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:37 pm

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Pine?
Your guilty child play is getting a bit boring, please step it up.
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Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:38 pm

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he can't "up" anything

he's impotent

pine is limp
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Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:40 pm

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Like consorting with the enemy and all that, but all you're doing is talking to your imaginary scumteam and giving them imaginary commands; if I were in your position, I'd be making fake cases on townies and scum alike and posting things other than the same tired refrain of "vote (scum or townie)!" (scum or townie) is my partner!
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Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:41 pm

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I'm just here to troll, Nacho.

Besides, it's working for me so far. You guys have no clue so far.
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Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:42 pm

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Besides, my D1 game is notoriously shit. I'll get more serious the later we go.
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Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:43 pm

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And you had such a wasted opportunity in not pretending to be town; in your position, I'd be sewing paranoia and saying that camn's revenge was making me a public miller treestump and watching me try to contribute to town as camn's minions stomped all over us... But instead we get "fate's reads are bad!"
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Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:43 pm

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that's me on D1 too!

I have okay instinct reads early D1 and then just get lost and can't get back around til D3
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Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:43 pm

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that's why mastina is still scum!
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Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:44 pm

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Fate's reads ARE bad.

And that deception would have been brilliant, but it kind of defeats the point of the game.
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Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:55 pm

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In post 1234, Pine wrote:Besides, it's working for me so far. You guys have no clue so far.
Towns are generally clueless Day 1. I don't know, I just hoped you be a more integral part of the game; you are the star of the show and I'm hoping you can act more like it soon.

Nothing huge! Just an out of game thing.
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Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:58 pm

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Fair enough. Regrettably, you people are being a bit boring too, except for Mastina and Fate, who have not failed to entertain. Monobear was good reading while they were keeping up their gimmick, now they're worse than dull.
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Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:58 pm

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maybe you just can't see the forest for the tree
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Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:58 pm

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@nacho
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Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:59 pm

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but

yeah

14 days is too long
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Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:17 pm

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In post 1229, Fate wrote:prod dodge, I vehemently oppose a mastina lynch still and will kill anyone not named Nacho, Aeronaut, or Gin and tonic


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Lol he's not even trying to hide it
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Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:15 pm

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Fuck me I'm enjoying this playerlist
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Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:16 pm

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You don't need to wait 14 days, child. You can lynch someone anytime.
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Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:25 pm

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ifonly I had the power
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Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:42 pm

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I feel like Camn really wants to start writing death scenes and we're all just here like "nope"
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