Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[Fro99er]

I would like these reasons explained.

So would I

@Pine @Yoshi explain up

Well, I thought the context in which he claimed wouldn't make sense for scum to do.
Claiming that his mason could be known by how he's interacted seemed towny.
Also, I think I might know the mason. Just a hunch, not sure.

So that's the reason you have? You sounded so much more sure

UNVOTE: Clumsy
I have reason to believe him.

I'm not sharing tho.

so why didn't you want to share the reason why if it's that benign.

[Fro99er]

shot in the dark but gonna say the guy he just voted

I didn't ask you to answer

there's also more than 1 scum player in this game.

[Fro99er]

I didn't want sheep. I wanted to see how other people reacted to the claim, which I (probably) still haven't read yet.

so what do you make of Pine's comment about reasons to doubt the claim

[Fro99er]

Did he elaborate on reasons why?

no, but I want your reaction to his reaction.

you've barely mentioned pine all D1 and it's pinging my radar.

[Fro99er]

And now it reads like you're afraid to give reactions to pine

[Fro99er]

Spoiler: this is a ctrl+f of every mention of pine in Yoshi's iso

Holy shit, drealmerz is in this?

*ISOs*

That's a scum ISO from drealmerz. I've been playing a lot with him, and I'm calling it. He joins the scumbloc.

Anything scummy you can point out in particular?

{Transcend, Gerryoat}

{Elena Fisher, Pine}

{Jaack, PV, Alisae}

{LemonTree, drealmerz7, Gamma Emerald, Ramcius/Clumsy}

{PenguinPower}

{Manuel87, kuror0}

{ConManMick, ironstove, Pepchoninga}

I stole your rainbow reads Transcend. XD

Yeah, Iron, you being on V/LA has nothing to do with it. Nice try.

^^^^
Just my thought as I read it. I luv you Pine <3.

While I go dig and do #research
from what I heard, he does a lot more tunneling and posts a lot more.
Like he becomes a PL lynch basicly. I'll go get some games tho, but I think Pine might have some better examples since I think he played with drealmerz a bit more.

You want to see one of drealmerz's games?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68819

you basically scumread your whole wagon correct

I caught up, here's what I think so far:

mafia:

pine - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8726248
elena fisher - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8727384
transcend - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8727931
alise - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8725864, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8730331
clumsy - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8730311

town:

jack
conmanmick
kuror0
dream
PeregrineV
bigyoshifan
pepchoninga

null:

ramcius
gerryoat
fro99er
cabd

I'm acting out of pure memory here, but it seems like you are SR most that were on your wagon. Lol, this makes zero sense.

*scoffs*

Oh yeah someone asked for updated reads
{Clumsy, me}
{Iron, Trans, Garry, Frogger, Pere}
{Elena, Mick, Manuel, Pep}
{Yoshi, Cabd}
{Gamma, kuror0}
{Drealmerz}
{Jaack, Pine}

Clum do you like this readlist?

pedit: Fine, I'll settle for that Trans
VOTE: Jaack

Awwww, how'd I go down? Is it because I still haven't finished reading. I'll finish tomorrow (probably).

I don't remember much about Pine. I townread him early for his posts, that's about all I remember.
I'll look, okay?

I would like these reasons explained.

So would I

@Pine @Yoshi explain up

Well, I thought the context in which he claimed wouldn't make sense for scum to do.
Claiming that his mason could be known by how he's interacted seemed towny.
Also, I think I might know the mason. Just a hunch, not sure.

[Fro99er]

I don't remember much about Pine. I townread him early for his posts, that's about all I remember.
I'll look, okay?

Okay, fine you whiner.

If I was a vigi and I had 2 bullets and I was in a room with gerry, hitler, and stalin, I would shoot gerry twice.

Do setups like this usually hit majority on D1? Anyway I hard claim not mafia. Remove your lynches.

Haven't really been reading the game, I'm kinda low-effort towning it while there are this many players in the game because it's hard to formulate reads, but please continue posting and don't let me be a distraction.

These three posts stand out as not especially Town-motivated. I joined in the Iron wagon for three reasons - first, the above amounts to a weak scumread. Second, my TRs all/mostly were thinking the same thing. Third, a flashwagon can help pressure someone to react, which you did. My weak scumread is now a pretty lockscum read because you've reacted TERRIBLE to getting some votes on you. Seriously, Town just doesn't hyperobsess with arguing the minutia of their wagon, they fight it by acting Town. That weaksauce attack on Pep was a clear attempt to divert attention away from you. Your attempts to deflect suspicion back onto me, then to dismiss me as an idiot. Then continuing to hyperfocus on yourself.

Yeah, it all points to scum!Iron

Sorry, caught is caught.

Also, I think reads like this are hard to fake as scum. Even in multiball, when he refers to his TR's and who they read, diverting attention, and the flaws in his play, it just all reads to me as towny.

Yeah Yoshi is scum. That's super easy to fake as town, and if you were town you'd be more paranoid about this

[Fro99er]

It's super easy to fake a read as scum where your reasons are:

1. I had a slight scumread
2. My TRs are on my slight scumread
3. a flashwagon helps go!

then after the fact saying he reacted terribly to his wagon. Town can be defensive too and maybe that was just town!iron trying to scumhunt pep, but instead he just throws shade on a possible town!iron

this is super easy to fake as scum.

[Fro99er]

ew to gerry's sheep

[Fro99er]

ew to gerry's sheep

ISO him. I was scared to before cause i know he was bad. but how tf do you keep a vote the same through #5 post and not progress from anything at all

Right, but that's your only reason? And it's a reason Clumsy and Jaack have now brought up. You're literally sheeping and have no other case on dreal.

[Fro99er]

Also, opinions on Dreal? Unhelpful town or scum hiding as that?

Thought he was maf one game and he was just really bad town, if that helps at all. so im scared to try and read that dude lol

I think he might be maf, but again. i thought he was last time and i guess he's kinda similar. Soooooo.............................

VOTE: drealmerz

I refuse to believe town's reads dont progress like that. At least last game when you were town, your reads were bad but they progressed a bit

This is a gross progression

[Fro99er]

Gerry can be Yoshi's scumbuddy. He's not even trying to figure out Yoshi. Just deferring to transcend and PV.

[Fro99er]

He also wasn't trying to figure out dreal and then OMG DREAL IS DA SCUMZ BECAUSE NO READ PROGRESSION SO SHINY

[Fro99er]

would you like me to point out the entirety of the 2 scum teams?

is that helpful to anyone?

go for it

[Fro99er]

honestly idc what you think right now because if you can honestly look at dreal's iso and say that's okay, then you're maf or shit

So you think I'm maf, because I'm pretty fucking good at town. Got it.

[Fro99er]

Actually, that's not defensive at all. That's me pointing out you think I'm mafia.

That wasn't a defense of myself

[Fro99er]

I'll also have the last laugh when i'm right about you and yoshi

[Fro99er]

{gerryoat!!!!}

xDDD, I know i'm triggering ppl doing this

{Transcend, PeregrineV}

{Alise, Pine, BigYoshiFan}

{Kuror0, Elena Fisher}

{Jaaack, Pepchoninga}

{Gamma Emerald, Lemon Tree, drealmerz7, PenguinPower}

{Clumsy, ConManMick}

{Manuel87}

{Ironstove}

Here!!!!

Then why was Yoshi one of your stronger town reads here?

[Fro99er]

I will never play maf again if you're right

this is against site rules

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... =5#p789343

Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

[Fro99er]

we're at 10v4v4

LOL no we aren't. That makes ZERO sense from a balance perspective unless town is jacked up with power and scum teams are all goons.

I would know. I ran an 18 person large normal and it was 13 v 3 v 2

[Fro99er]

dreal might be scum opposite Gerry. That's a fake town-slip by dreal

[Fro99er]

dreal might be scum opposite Gerry. That's a fake town-slip by dreal

THEN WHY ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT ME VOTING DREAL. VOTE DREAL.

Because this is multiball and you're opposite dreal if dreal is scum.

[Fro99er]

i like this table

too bad 4/6/heaven forbid 8 of you are mafia

here's the full quote for context.

He didn't say 8 of you were mafia, he listed it as a possibility.

And 5 is possible too...I created a 13 v 3 v 2 as I said.

Why you're fixated on 8 is dumb, but 8 would never get approved here.

[Fro99er]

I'm not "fixated" - it's what I've determined

his tone is telling "heaven forbid!" - he knows!

interesting.

I mean, it could be a fake town-slip by transcend.

At this point its not worth speculating about, but I'm quite positive it's not 8 because the NRG wouldn't allow it

[Fro99er]

can you stop ignoring my question. Can you show me what from his iso that made my vote bad, or what you think from his iso is good at all? I asked 4 times already

nothing from his iso made yoru vote bad.

Your shitty progression on dreal made your vote bad.

[Fro99er]

Then why were you so hesitant to read Dreal if you think it's this obvious?

@Gerry

[Fro99er]

YOU SAY. HE'S MAF. BUT SAY. IM BAD. FOR VOTING HIM. LOL. WHAT.

you don't understand the concept of multiball do you.

you also don't understand why your vote is bad.

I also am not sure if dreal is maf.

[Fro99er]

frogger...you get HUGE scumpings btw for your suggestion of odd teams

I'm suggesting odd teams...I was using it as an example to show why 4 v 4 makes absolutely zero sense. Nowhere did I suggest 13 v 3 v 2 was the setup here.

[Fro99er]

1. Yoshi
2. Gerry
3. Pine

[Fro99er]

FROGGER FOR THE 5TH TIME, CAN YOU FIND ANYTHING IN DREAL'S ISO THAT SHOULD MAKE ME RECONSIDER MY READ ON HIM. YES OR NO

I already answered this.

[Fro99er]

Frogger, so is your read on me dependent on the fact that you think i'm buddies with yoshi? or is there another reason you fos me.

I think you're scum

1. for your shitty progression on dreal where you first didn't take a stance on him, then said he could be scum, then said he's obvscum., which I already pointed out and
2. for your lack of a stance on Yoshi except deferring to Transcend and PV. Like, you're not even trying to sort Yoshi right now and that's not good.

[Fro99er]

Is there any other reason? I'm less triggered now lol

no other reasons right now

now vote Yoshi pls since you're not opposed to a Yoshi vote.

[Fro99er]

I want to hear Pine's reason for doubting the mason claim.

[Fro99er]

Look at dreal's iso from this game to start, and then look at http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go and tell me his posts arent different

Tell me what is different about it and I'll look and see if that's the case

[Fro99er]

I mean. Fuck it. Dreal vote parked on transcend all D1 in that game. So why does it make him scum he vote parked here all D1?

[Fro99er]

Like that was Gerey's main reason for Dreal and Dreal did here exactly what he did in that town game

[Fro99er]

He gave a reason for his Alisae vote here and he didn't feel a need to move it after that

You're really reaching now.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: drealmerz

I refuse to believe town's reads dont progress like that. At least last game when you were town, your reads were bad but they progressed a bit

Gerry this was your reason for voting him

I'm pointing out your reason is flawed because the town game you gave an example of his D1 read didn't progress.

[Fro99er]

And it is lazy to make that the reason you voted for him after previously you said you were unsure. Now you're acting like you are sure that it's not his towngame and if that's the case why didn't you notice it before and why are you changing the reason from "his reads didn't progress" to "he gave bad reasons here but good reasons there for vote parking"

[Fro99er]

I didn't say he was my biggest scumread

If he wasn't your biggest scum read why did you vote him and get so upset and ALL CAPS about him

And if he isn't your biggest scum read who is and why aren't you voting that person?

Because you've admitted Yoshi isn't your highest scum read.

[Fro99er]

tbh I have mixed feelings about drealmerz

So do I.

Gerry is mistaking me attacking his logic for me defending dreal

[Fro99er]

Frogger why is it that you're defending him and you're not letting him defend himself?

and I seem scummy because I'm not behaving like I behaved in 1 game we were in together where I was town

that is horrible

Yeah. Meta shouldn't be the entirety of one's case. Good point. Another reason Gerry's sudden OMG HES SCUMZ push is so bad after being unsure.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: drealmerz

I refuse to believe town's reads dont progress like that. At least last game when you were town, your reads were bad but they progressed a bit

This was your argument at the time of your vote. It's only meta

Prior to that you were admittedly unsure.

[Fro99er]

I didn't say he was my biggest scumread

If he wasn't your biggest scum read why did you vote him and get so upset and ALL CAPS about him

And if he isn't your biggest scum read who is and why aren't you voting that person?

Because you've admitted Yoshi isn't your highest scum read.

Answer

[Fro99er]

I think I'd rather wagon Gerry than Yoshi at this point.

1. Gerry
2. Yoshi
3. Pine

[Fro99er]

lmao frogger, fuck off you're shit

Can we not with these personal attacks

[Fro99er]

lmao frogger, fuck off you're shit

I didn't want to do this, but you've annoyed me enough. If I was shit please tell me how I won best town performance in a game where I was the guy who drove the scum lynches in a perfect win.

[Fro99er]

{gerryoat!!!!}

xDDD, I know i'm triggering ppl doing this

{Transcend, PeregrineV}

{Alise, Pine, BigYoshiFan}

{Kuror0, Elena Fisher}

{Jaaack, Pepchoninga}

{Gamma Emerald, Lemon Tree, drealmerz7, PenguinPower}

{Clumsy, ConManMick}

{Manuel87}

{Ironstove}

Here!!!!

So these are still your top 4?

[Fro99er]

Spoiler: Gerry top 4 stuff

I didn't say he was my biggest scumread

If he wasn't your biggest scum read why did you vote him and get so upset and ALL CAPS about him

And if he isn't your biggest scum read who is and why aren't you voting that person?

Because you've admitted Yoshi isn't your highest scum read.

Answer

Iron is my biggest. Iron isn't going to happen. I've tried to get my top 4 lynched, they arent happening. I've tried this whole time. Are you blind

{gerryoat!!!!}

xDDD, I know i'm triggering ppl doing this

{Transcend, PeregrineV}

{Alise, Pine, BigYoshiFan}

{Kuror0, Elena Fisher}

{Jaaack, Pepchoninga}

{Gamma Emerald, Lemon Tree, drealmerz7, PenguinPower}

{Clumsy, ConManMick}

{Manuel87}

{Ironstove}

Here!!!!

So these are still your top 4?

{gerryoat!!!!}

xDDD, I know i'm triggering ppl doing this

{Transcend, PeregrineV}

{Alise, Pine, BigYoshiFan}

{Kuror0, Elena Fisher}

{Jaaack, Pepchoninga}

{Gamma Emerald, Lemon Tree, drealmerz7, PenguinPower}

{Clumsy, ConManMick}

{Manuel87}

{Ironstove}

Here!!!!

So these are still your top 4?

No for both TRs and scumreads

So who are your top 4 in each now?

[Fro99er]

@Gerry what happened to Manuel? And where am i on your hierarchy?

[Fro99er]

Frogger didn't you replace PenguinPower?

Yep

[Fro99er]

i also dont like how you scumread and said dreal scumslipped, but dont even put him in your lynch pool. that's weird

What?

[Fro99er]

Right. But why are you saying he isn't in my lynch pool?

[Fro99er]

Right. But why are you saying he isn't in my lynch pool?

You listed Me, Yoshi and pine. How is someone you think fake town slipped not on it?

Because we were asked to list only 3 people.

Dreal isn't in my top 3

[Fro99er]

Ok, I have a suggestion because this game is going nowhere.

I would like everyone to post their top 3 players that they would like to vote for.

We will cross reference the results and find a lynch. If this game goes to 150+ pages before a lynch is made on D1, I'm gonna request to be replaced and laugh at the person that has to fill my slot.

1. Alisae
2. Pine
3. Elena Fisher

Gerry this is why I listed three.

Nowhere did I say those were my only three. Obviously there are more than 3 scum in an 18 person game.

[Fro99er]

What did Pine do that was worse than dreal?

Everything. It's in my ISO plus Pine's scumteam is lolbad

[Fro99er]

Facepalm

[Fro99er]

pedit: Frogger I don't think Mick was attempting to copy down someone's homework, but ok.

I never said he did?

[Fro99er]

pedit: Oh to me it looked you did cause you told him to get his own reads.

Read again. That was Yoshi

[Fro99er]

Then Yoshinrwalized what was up and gave that up

[Fro99er]

Yoshi is scum

[Fro99er]

Also Jaack is a wagon that has continued to have resistance.

I could go for Jaack Pine or Yoshi

Gerry isn't happening right now so i'll let that slide

[Fro99er]

If there was a night 0 action it would have been said it is a night start per normal rules

[Fro99er]

ohman, you just went back in the scumpile

Mick or me?

[Fro99er]

ohman, you just went back in the scumpile

Mick or me?

mick

You're going to have to explain that one, because Mick is town.

[Fro99er]

Facepalm

[Fro99er]

What was the face palm on me for?

For trying to throw shade on Mick then partially realizing what was up.

[Fro99er]

My hope was to get stuff like "hey, what do you think of X vs. Y?" Or "what do you make of Z's comments here?"

What do you think of my push in Yoshi in 2470, 2475, and 2480

[Fro99er]

I still want to lynch Clumsy

Don't be bad

especially after the fact that Yoshi isn't indeed his mason parthner. Also I'm fine with a Yoshi lynch too because of the same thing.

Be good and vote Yoshi

[Fro99er]

Pine is also definitely scum. Not trying to scumhunt (I know the game is big and all, but they just came in to answer the question around the masons and peace out again...no attempt to game solve)

[Fro99er]

@Mod can you prod Gamma Emerald?

Will do. He's off V/LA, anyway.

[Fro99er]

oh god not another week of this shit

[Fro99er]

cmon... The poor replacement will have to take 110 pages on D1. Can't we just agree on someone?

Sure. Vote Yoshi

[Fro99er]

Elena your Pine read please

[Fro99er]

elena what's your read on yoshi

Maybe I was wrong about you

[Fro99er]

Yoshi doesn't seem like the obv scum that everyone is saying he is

Why?

[Fro99er]

Do what I asked first and I'll do what you asked.

this is scum motivated.

[Fro99er]

Because I don't see anything really scummy in his iso I see stubbornness but not scummy

Ok,

go look at my posts 2470, 2475, and 2480 and tell me why that's not scummy.

You just read his 171 post iso that fast?

I call BS

[Fro99er]

@Gerry I'm not asking for a bromance. I'm just saying I'm reconsidering my read on you

[Fro99er]

Do what I asked first and I'll do what you asked.

this is scum motivated.

Explain.

Because you're clearly being stubborn about a Pep vanity wagon that isn't going to happen and holding up the Yoshi wagon.

This reads like "you do the work first about a player that currently doesn't have a significant wagon and then I'll pick it apart why your work sucks then maybe i'll do my work later" when clearly the work you have to do is more important to the game state at the current time.

[Fro99er]

Why do you want a reads list from me what would a read list from me possibly change?

I think it's pretty obvious why

after some flips the reads list can help us get an idea of what you're thinking so we can understand your thought process and build some associations. If you're town, a reads list only stands to benefit town.

pedit: @Alisae...maybe I am. But I'm always going to grill people until I'm satisfied.

[Fro99er]

People I'd lynch today:
Yoshi
Pine
Jaack

People I'd consider lynching today:
Dreal
Gerry
kuror

People who I need to hear from more:
Gamma Emerald replacement
Elena
cabd
PV

[Fro99er]

So I'm not allowed to ask for a read on someone I sr

I never said you're not allowed to.

But the "you do it first before me" crap is stupid, especially considering what we're asking. Why don't you both just go do your homework now?

[Fro99er]

Froggers catch up I didn't like

what catch up are you talking about?

[Fro99er]

Elena clearly hasn't read pages 60-95 if she still has me as a top Sr btw

Or if she thinks i'm catching up on the game

[Fro99er]

Frog I explained

what specific catch up are you talking about and what didn't you like about it

[Fro99er]

this game...

can we just flashlynch pine since we all agree there

[Fro99er]

If Pep were on a scumteam I think he would try to figure out who the masons were in a PT.

This...especially with day talk

[Fro99er]

Clumsy figure it out. I think you know EXACTLY what I am talking about.

This

the what and the who is pretty obv

[Fro99er]

pretty sure i have one scumteam nailed down with fro99er, Pep and Iron

Manny I would like to hear how you got to that conclusion.

Dude Elena comes in and votes Pep. And suddenly fro99er, Iron and Pep bombard her.
Like yeah be more obvious.
+ I already suspected them to be scum together.

Fro99er litterally came into the game and derailed the Ironwagon when Iron just posted the most aweful comeback after his V/LA.
Pep was whitknighting him the whole time as well.
Look at my readslist and a recent post of mine about Peps flip i already mentioned this read twice.

Man we're so terrible at scum if we're that obvious.

*eyeroll*

[Fro99er]

if you thought that why not same logic with yoshi?

Because Yoshi and pep were different.

Pep said "I have no idea who is mason but i'm trying to find out"

Yoshi said "I have reason to believe Clumsy" (as if he knew who the mason was or as if he was claiming mason)

[Fro99er]

I dont argue with ppl from team Schnee you are confirmed scum to me.
If you are town dont be stupid and vote Pep. First we kill off those 3 to reduce the nightkills then we hunt for team Belladonna.

Dude please, don't be that bad.

Lining up lynches...

Manny is town dude

[Fro99er]

Pep is lost.

PEP WAKE UP WE'RE NOT LYNCHING CLUMSY

WE'RE NOT LYNCHING MANNY

RUB TWO BRAIN CELLS TOGETHER

[Fro99er]

How do you dudes get those reads from posts like these?

THINK ABOUT IT

[Fro99er]

Sorry. Too many shit people posting garbade posts.

You remind you of yourself

[Fro99er]

AM I TRULY THAT BAD?

yes

[Fro99er]

Lol, can you elaborate why is Manuel town.

[Fro99er]

pep is like a little lost boy.

Manny should I tell him what's up in my scum chat you seem to think I have with him

[Fro99er]

Holy fuck Frog thinks Manuel is mason with clumb just outright say it
there's no use softing who you think a mason claim is when scum can j ust as easily pick up on the soft as town would

lolololololol

[Fro99er]

I mean clum was obv town and was the counter wagon to hm let's see
OBV SCUM PEP????????????
Mason claim or not
I'm ready to die when pep flips scum

Actually I derailed the iron wagon to wagon clumsy

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

can someone tell me if theres any claim yet and important stuff

clumsy claimed mason and it's a believable claim

[Fro99er]

Pep was at L-4 if I'm not mistaken and then a random clum wagon showed up

it was iron at L-3

didn't you say you read my entrance?

[Fro99er]

Top three from the survey are: Yoshi, Pine, and Jaack. Can we please agree to lynch there and end this day before we hit 200 pages?

HEY THESE ARE MY THREE SCUM READS LETS GOO

PICK ONE OR GTFO

[Fro99er]

This is truly getting retarded.

says the guy who can't understand obvious clues

[Fro99er]

OH MY GOD

PINE
YOSHI
JAACK

THATS IT VOTE THERE GET THIS DAY OVER WITH PEOPLE

[Fro99er]

cloud vote yoshi

[Fro99er]

can you at least say please? im trying to grudge vote here

please

[Fro99er]

As this game is ongoing, you are not allowed to quote anything in your signature (unless I'm completely wrong).

This is correct. I had to force replace someone for doing so in a game I modded, but if it's benign and not taken outside the game and removed quickly it can be removed no problem without compromising anything.

[Fro99er]

THAT'S L-2 LETS GOOOOO

[Fro99er]

lets break the record actually. i didnt know that was a thing. what's the record.

Largest days in a Large Game

1. SaGa Frontier Mafia
Day 1
5086 posts

2. Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia
Day 1
4198 posts

3. NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness
Day 1
3808 posts

4. X-Men: Age of Apocalypse
Day 1
3700 posts

5. Tales of You
Day 1
3425 posts

[Fro99er]

so now we have to wait until Saturday for Yoshi

wooo

[Fro99er]

Wednesday I have SOME time, Friday and weekends I'll read over this game and give you all reads.

I'll probably be here Wednesday and intermittently from thereafter until the weekend.

Don't take this opportunity to say I'm being dramatic or faking this either. If you think I'm scum, lynch me.

It's Wednesday, right?

Also he gave us approval to lynch him

[Fro99er]

See, hes claiming non-pr @manuelo

p-much.

he wouldn't say that if he was a useful role

[Fro99er]

see you guys saturday

[Fro99er]

YOSHI IS ONLINE NOW YOSHI CLAIM

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Do we really need a FULL-claim?

bud, that's up to you. but if you're going to be V/LA for the most part until Saturday then at least give us enough to be sure we don't want to lynch you if you really are town.

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Pine ... I said you didn't elaborate in post 2598 and you explained on 2898. So at the time I said that, I was correct. You hadn't elaborated.

We all saw you elaborate in 2898

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Yoshi says he's catching up, but he's clearly refreshing the page here and just talking to his scumbuddies in daychat. That's why he keeps responding here in response to everyone else.

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UNVOTE:

I've seen a similar role like this before in a large normal. It's certainly allowable as one of the two non-normal roles

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

I've seen a similar role like this before in a large normal. It's certainly allowable as one of the two non-normal roles

This also jives with his behavior around the mason claim.

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UNVOTE:

I've seen a similar role like this before in a large normal. It's certainly allowable as one of the two non-normal roles

was it town or scum aligned?

Town.

It was a neighborhood inspector. Similar but different in that it could jump into people's neighborhoods at night to inspect what they were saying.

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Why couldn't Yoshi's role be a scum role?

Find out who masons are and who possible other scum are?

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Fro99er, can you link the game that you found it in? I was worried about coaching to claim it too, so I looked through mine and the only player in both of these games is Cabd. They got replaced, and were heavily pushing on them in this game.

I'll dig it up. It was before my break from mafia, so probably sometime late 2015

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Here is the game I am referring to: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=62897

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Guys, I think it's possible Yoshi is still scum. I mean, it certainly would make sense as both a town and a scum PR.

In multiball scum often have investigative roles to find otheir team scum.

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Alright Yoshi I'll bite.
VOTE: Jaack

ALRIGHT, LET'S DO THIS AGAIN

TOP 3 CANDIDATES FOR LYNCH, GO

Alisae, Ironstove, and Pep

P-edit: Alisae not reading the thread?

P-edit 2: What Yoshi said

P-edit 3: Thanks frog

P-edit 4: It could be, but if he is maf and finds the other maf for us... -shrug?- There's always later.

P-edit 5: I'm so done with this

Good point (re pedit4)

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Frog, this is true, but if so, it's the other maf teams problem, isn't it? If we're still suspicious later in the game, we can hang him then.

Yep good call

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New top 3 lynches for the day
1. Jaack
2. Pine
3. PV

Pine
Jaack
??? (Could be a lot of people)

VOTE: Jaack

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Wait, are people SRing me for not reading?

The only way I'd SR you right now is if somehow Iron, Clumsy, and Yoshi were all town.

I think Iron is town, and Yoshi is a claimed PR. But if somehow all three were town then you and Gerry have been on both wagons. But that's not something to worry about without any flips and I think it's a stretch anyway because I still think a Yoshi could be scum.

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I can't read kuror either. Anyone have any thoughts there?

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it can't be a scum role because scum would have an identical role, and they can't because only 1 non-normal role per normal game, so it's a town role

Disagree.

First, there can be two non-normal in a large. Second, it's essentially an investigative. Other mafia could have an investigative too like gunsmith or Neapolitan that is completely normal and accomplishes similar. I think that exact game I linked even had that as so.

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kuror read needs to grow

finished a game with him recently (strahd) where I was HARD TRing him from his first post and every post since

here it's not so clear

What do others think of kuror? As I said i'm havig a hard time reading kuror

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Is Jaack still voteparked on clumsy?

Eeew

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@Fro9 why do you ask so many people how they read me? I'm the only slot you have a hard time reading? If not what makes me special, you sort of scum read me but not sure so want help to get the reasons? or am I a full null for you and want to get an idea to sort me? or what's happening?

Because I have a hard time reading your large blocks of text. My eyes glaze over.

The only things of significance I've noticed you do is a late hop on the Clumsy wagon and a late hop on the Yoshi wagon. I'm not even sure you were scum reading either of them before those hop ons. Other than that you've just seemed to tunnel Alisae.

So my read on you is pretty weak, which is why i asked there's what their opinion is so I can sort you better.

I play this game through associations and interactions, so anything I can do to form more associations helps me.

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On a side note I think going for a jaack lynch is stupid it would give too lil info compared to other slots

This doesn't make sense. Ringing up Jaack would put pressure on him and force him to respond, and we'd have yet another wagon to analyze.

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@dreal

What are you even talking about?

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so anything I can do to form more associations helps me.

so how come when I asked PV and Transcend their read on Yoshi, you got all dramatic?

Because you were doing it re: meta. It was a pure meta argument you were making on Dreal where you looked like you wanted them to confirm for you that your push was correct.

Here I'm saying I have no stance on kuror and no history with him

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Jaack that post was awful. You just come in here and word vomit complain but don't actually try to find scum.

I always find the "I haven't played great" stuff on D1 is equivalent to a scumclaim

[Fro99er]

I genuine scumread

As opposed to fake scumreads you have to give other people?

Lynch this

[Fro99er]

I genuine scumread

As opposed to fake scumreads you have to give other people?

Lynch this

Guys I think this is a scumslip

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Will lynch Jaack or Pine, not PV

Ditto.

PV played exactly like this last time I played with him. PV is the only person in this game I have played with.

Besides. Jaack' posts aren't even looking for scum and Pine's scumteam was lolbad.

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Like no town player ever has to say "I genuine scumread X"

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I'm going to create an alt called Genuine Scumread

Or a hydra.

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PV doing nothing is his site meta.

I thought someone said the opposite?

Only experienced I've had with PV is him doing jack all.

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I'd rather lynch Pine. I've got a slight TR on Jaack now. There IS a genuine tone I'm gathering from here and I don't necessarily disagree with what he's saying about drealmerz. Reviewing his old posts will give me a better read (note to self).

Wait weren't you townreading Pine? What changed?

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Looking over that read I made... it looks like shit, I admit it. I'm still not objecting to my Pine TR however.

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FUCK IT
YOU'RE A DOUBLEVOTER NOW
VOTE: Frogger

What the hell? Sheeping again?

Sounds familiar, eh?

At least Alisae is voting someone.

[Fro99er]

I know right! Aren't I so cool?

You'd be cooler if you were voting elsewhere. Like Jaack.

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I'm starting to lose some interest in this. How have we not gotten to a lynch yet? I belive we already have wagoned at least one scum tbh. All those new suspects seem to be comming from strange angels and just don't fit with my point of view. Like there is probably around 3-4 people that haven't been called out super scummy.

Honestly if we are not lynching Yoshi today, I want Clumsy, my strongest scum read dead. Mason or not, the guy has been awfully scummy and without another mason claim wich was requested by many people, his claim is even less believable.

VOTE: Clumsy

If you belive there is someone that deserves the vote better, please point me to the person, so I can ISO him, or present a case.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEP

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Can we lynch mafia ? i read jaack iso and i dont see the hype about his lynch,in my game he also always been the least poster

Jaack scum has nothing to do with posting volume.

It's because he's not scumhunting and his reaction to his wagon was to just fake discredit everyone.

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Froggy why did you never acknowledge my fos on you nor addressed it even if my ''case'' on you seems really shallow, itd be easy to call bs on my read yet you arent

Because you're smiley case isn't even rebuttable because when someone says smileys are the universal scum signal all I can say is that's dumb and I use them as both alignment and it becomes a self-meta rebuttal.

The rest of your argument comes down to my posts were forced and fillery, which clearly isn't the case.

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Transcend just reread the yoshi claim in mind that yoshi is actually town and read froggy

When Yoshi flips scum and I flip town I'll make sure to laugh at this.

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Transcend just reread the yoshi claim in mind that yoshi is actually town and read froggy

When Yoshi flips scum and I flip town I'll make sure to laugh at this.

Why not laugh at it the moment Yoshi flips scum?

Because i'm not flipping scum.

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I find it hilarious to call someone mefia for using the universal mefia symbol but its so accurate i cri everytim

Ok, but I'm town here and I've done it as town before, so you'll finally be wrong.

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Froggy, if ure scum at least i hope you learn

Well if you're town, you'll be happy to know I have nothing to learn here.

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I'm down for a lynch on whoever. I too don't see why Jaack is such a popular lynch. Read his ISO and yes, he has been relatively lowkey, not having any good progression on his reads, but there are people that far more deserve the rope.

But if you're down for a lynch on whoever, why not Jaack?

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Also I'm starting not to like Frogger's response to all of this

It's a stupid push and it's derailing town from lynching scum. People just "like jaack's posting" but don't really say why and it's clear as day jaack's reaction to his wagon is faked, he's done zero scumhunting, and he's coasting by with votes on wagons that aren't going to happen.

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Plus jack scumslipped but nobody seems to care

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Plus jack scumslipped but nobody seems to care

And the cover up is "I like to use adjectives"

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I genuine scumread

As opposed to fake scumreads you have to give other people?

Lynch this

I genuine scumread

As opposed to fake scumreads you have to give other people?

Lynch this

Guys I think this is a scumslip

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@Frogger - It's how I talk. I like coming up with different adverbs.

adverbs...whatever

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@mickeymouse hop on the froggy wagon

I'm Pep.

And no, please hop on the Clumsy wagon.

PEP ITS NOT HAPPENING JESUS CHRIST ALL CAPS

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If it comes to it, I probably would.

It's coming to it.

Your stupid push on clumsy isn't.

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I mean its not like I've played a great game or anything...

THIS is the universal scum signal

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I mean its not like I've played a great game or anything...

THIS is the universal scum signal

Yoshi did it too.

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HOW

Froggy why did you never acknowledge my fos on you nor addressed it even if my ''case'' on you seems really shallow, itd be easy to call bs on my read yet you arent

Because you're smiley case isn't even rebuttable because when someone says smileys are the universal scum signal all I can say is that's dumb and I use them as both alignment and it becomes a self-meta rebuttal.

The rest of your argument comes down to my posts were forced and fillery, which clearly isn't the case.

IS

Transcend just reread the yoshi claim in mind that yoshi is actually town and read froggy

When Yoshi flips scum and I flip town I'll make sure to laugh at this.

THIS

I find it hilarious to call someone mefia for using the universal mefia symbol but its so accurate i cri everytim

Ok, but I'm town here and I've done it as town before, so you'll finally be wrong.

IGNORING

Froggy, if ure scum at least i hope you learn

Well if you're town, you'll be happy to know I have nothing to learn here.

YOU

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Well you didnt out a read on me, you only commented on what i have said like a shallow answer

Oh now you're changing the tune from "froggy didn't respond" to "froggy didn't out a read on me"

Why do you dislike the jaack wagon (aside from me)

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Well you didnt out a read on me, you only commented on what i have said like a shallow answer

Oh now you're changing the tune from "froggy didn't respond" to "froggy didn't out a read on me"

Why do you dislike the jaack wagon (aside from me)

You mean aside youre on his wagon ? I think jaack is being fosed for NAI stuff about his posting style, i also think its an opportunity lynch and most people just poe it down to him. I already posted my thoughts on him, i isod him and i dont see it

and what about the people on his wagon, aside from me.

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@froggy who claimed masons again?

Clumsy is the only mason claim.

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Pep, Jaack is at L-3. It's inevitable. You better join us now.

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Pep, Jaack is at L-3. It's inevitable. You better join us now.

gut feeling.

> Jack will claim PR
> people will unvote being scared.
> We are in the same place as we were a few days ago
> We are on on pace for 5087 posts

I lol'd

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Pep, Jaack is at L-3. It's inevitable. You better join us now.

I'm not sure this is the right lynch for today.

You just said you were going to go with it if it was inevitable.

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I spy with my little eye a scum post

Cloud said he doesn't like the Jaack wagon either, does this make him scum?

So you are scum. Got it.

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Claim your buddy and I will gladly leave your back and hop on Jaack.

LOL

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I only have a few minutes here, but

I'll claim to let y'all decide what you wanna do.

I'm a two shot vig

"Oh I'll just claim PR and let you guys decide if you believe me"

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I'm inclined to not believe either Yoshi or Jaack. Would make town way too OP, especially if we have other town PRs.

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If there is a real vig, they'll just shoot Jaack at night, because that's how a vig CCs

good point

VOTE: Pep

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So, here's my thoughts. Option 3. Jaack is told to shoot Pep or he dies. If Jaack is town vigilante, that should result in Pep dying without using a lynch there. If Pep doesn't die, then Jaack is lying, he hangs. If Pep dies AND flips scum, double confirmed Jaack.

I think this is a bit of WIFOM because what if Pep is scum and scum have protective roles?

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shooting in 3 is still better.

who are good vig shots we can all agree on

Pine, Pep, kuror/cabd would be my choices.

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This is a shitpost

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The list is too big to attempt to get any reactions.
Hence why I suggested 3
But you could be an irl serial killer with that list
So good job

I was just listing anyone I would not be 100% against shooting. My preference as the third after drealmerz and pine would be cabd or frogger, but I'm not married to either of those two options.

I vote cabd

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shooting in 3 is still better.

who are good vig shots we can all agree on

Pine, Pep, kuror/cabd would be my choices.

Ok I'm just catching up and I'm at page 152. But this. You said you didn't scumread me you had me as full null and wanted to take hints to make an idea. now suddenly you put me on the same list with 3 of your scum reads?? Suddenly you made your mind and SR me or what's with the leap on the read?

imba terribad excuse.

continuing my catch up

Gee, let's see why.

My strongest scum reads are Pine, Yoshi, Jaack, and Pep. Three of them are eliminated from the shoot conversation. So I have to pick two more. You, cabd, dreal are next in line in my scum reads.

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People I'd lynch today:
Yoshi
Pine
Jaack

People I'd consider lynching today:
Dreal
Gerry
kuror

People who I need to hear from more:
Gamma Emerald replacement
Elena
cabd
PV

Kuror, the only thing that changed is Gerry moved below cabd, and pep moved into my scumpile.

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so according to your words you can't sort me properly at this point, so the best you decide to do is lynch?

Man you don't get it.

I said, at that point in the game, I'd CONSIDER lynching you because I hadn't figured you out yet, so I'd need to give you more consideration. I never said I think we SHOULD lynch you.

This is exactly why I asked the town for more info on you. Not to find an excuse to say you are scum (if I were scum and wanted to do that I would have already). But to help me determine whether you are town or scum.

You're still quite null to me, and you're like 5th or 6th on my list behind Pine, Yoshi, Jaack, and Pep.

I fail to see the issue.

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that you should have enough things to read me either leaning scum or leaning town at least yet I'm still null.

So I'm supposed to have a developed read on you when I can't even get through a wall of yours without falling asleep?

But miraculously other read of yours are way more developed with little to no content, that's my real issue.

That's because I get reads off snippets of interactions a lot better than walls of text

I could understand someone scumreading me or soft town reading me but other reads of yours are with no input from them which is what made me doubt about your progression and the convenience on certain reads.

What other reads do I have with no input? Please enlighten me.

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Lol Yoshi's scum

[Fro99er]

He's trying to find a way to scum read me after being his hardest town read since I replaced in.

Of course.

[Fro99er]

Look at Yoshi just trying to fit in with town at this point

[Fro99er]

Yoshi outed himself as scum there

I knew his claim was a scumclaim

[Fro99er]

The way you say it, it almost seems too powerful to give to a scumteam.

Scumclaim

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VOTE: transcend

"Oh hey NKA is bad but I'm going to use flips to say frog is 0/10 black and 1/10 white then not put him in my top three town reads."

The logic makes no sense and you're also keeping a really wide lynch pool so you can say "well X was a town read but he wasn't clear so now I can turn on that player" type stuff later.

Also all of a sudden after the flip you're Mr. Try Hard? It's the easiest way to fake looking townie is by being Mr try hard after a night phase. Especially when it doesn't really jive with your D1 play.

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So what

I didn't really give a fuck d1 since i had no information to work with

And now i do

Fine. The rest of your behavior today still makes no sense.

And you having a super strong town read on me yesterday but not suspecting cloud in any way of pushing a mislynch reads as cloud's scumbuddy. And now you're like "frog is almost certainly not scum but he's also not as strong a town read as he was before" ... so that you can move yourself to hopping on this frog's wagon (see what I did there) since it appears that's somewhat likely to happen from your POV

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How does everything point to town Gerry? I was probably wrong about Yoshi given Cloud flipped neighborizer.

[Fro99er]

How does everything point to town Gerry?

What exactly does point at town gerry?

No idea. I was asking transcend because he said everything is pointing to town Gerry

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Alisae sheeped, Gerry sheeped.

Sheeting itself isn't alignment indicative. It's the motivation for finding scum and Alisae was certainly motivated.

I disagree with transcend. Gerry's sheeps onto Clumsy, Yoshi, and Jaack weren't based on motivation to find scum

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is clumsy one of your bottom 4

VOTE: Clumsy

si

That interaction was gross

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VOTE: BYF

You arent high on my town list so you can get roped at this point since no one wants to lynch any of my scumreads it feels like

That was a gross sheep

[Fro99er]

Pine or Jack good lynches at this point.

VOTE: Jaaack

That was a gross sheep

[Fro99er]

Gerry's only pushes from after Clumsy wagon was on dreal and it was simply a shitty meta case that I proved wrong.

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How so? We strongly disagree here so enlighten me. Maybe I miss something.

Sleeping itself isn't alignment indicative. I'm not sure how I can tell you otherwise.

As far as scumhunting, Alisae actually suspected Yoshi first. That wasn't a sheep. I was just the one who built the case. Alisae also had town motivation in tying myself and Jaack together, even though it was wrong. Alisae has put pressure on people and his reads have evolved throughout the game. Even on yourself, Alisae's reads have evolved (and the pressure he put on you is also scumhunting) I'm sure there's more but that's just off the top of my head.