Newbie 1766 - Game Over

[Aeronaut]

I don't see how;

So, as I've said, in a newbie game, there's no room for scum to fake claim a PR because it's far too easy to get CCed.

[Huntress]

Vote Count 3.4

rb (1) - Sofiel
Aeronaut (1) - rb

Not voting (4) - Aeronaut, lucca261, ssbm_Kyouko, the_end


With six players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Three is Thursday, 26th January 23.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2017-01-26 23:00:00)).

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't see how;

So, as I've said, in a newbie game, there's no room for scum to fake claim a PR because it's far too easy to get CCed.

I've gotten away with fake CCing as scum in a newbie. Claimed cop when the tracker outed a guilty on me (doctor was flipped) and won the 1v1 in LyLo

[the_end]

@aero and @lucca good luck trying to get @rb to answer why he's so sure ssbm is town. I've asked rb to elaborate a few times (see 238 for latest) but he has ignored me.

I'm in agreement that there is definitely atleast one scum in aero and rb.

Lucca has already expressed his suspicions of an aero scumslip in 449. @rb, in 396 you're sure aero is scum based on the lucca NK. Care to elaborate?

[Sofiel]

@Lucca 443

Ssbm so far has been a good townplayer imo. The input he's had has been pretty decent, and the interactions list is a solid townplay. And your reaction to my read on aero is fair Lucca, but rb's vote for Aero is holding me back esp in conjunction with him pulling out of the Zekro wagon. I mean, I guess rb could be bussing here but I wouldn't think he'd feel under threat enough after one vote to bus his partner. It's more likely imo that he's trying to influence discourse abt Aero rather than anyone else.

My votes for the scum team rn are t_e/rb bc, again, after the first day they both were able to slip under the radar. t_e voted on all the town lynch wagons. rb for the reasons i stated in 433. Aero could still be scum & shouldn't escape scrutiny tho. I mean there's been the withholding of information on his part ( 440 ) which I just don't get bc more information is more helpful to town and if you're gonna withhold information to try and get scum (who would love information withholding) I just don't get it.

I'm going to be v/la for a couple of days (i've been busy/travelling but have been able to check in but over the next few days I don't think I'll be able to), but I hope to be back by abt Sunday. (I'll send a PM to Huntress too.)

[the_end]

I've read enough.

VOTE: rb

rb has consistently played a shit game - pushing quick lynches (see 44, 71 and 72) and making strong claims without any supporting statements (See his claims of me being scum and ssbm being town, not once has be elaborated on questions why he made those claims despite people asking him several times. See my 453).

He is fully milking his "confirmed town" status that nearly everyone has given him from the starting of the game. There is no doubt that rb is an excellent player. He posts open ended leading questions (see 110 and 73), where rather than explaining why he thinks someone is scum he basically leads us into convincing ourselves that that person is scum. Note also that he has never posted a full readlist himself.

See also "townslip" posts like 404 where he regrets not being around and allowing a "shit" zeke lynch. Yet in 143 he was fine with lynching zeke. He has positioned himself as "confirmed town" from the beginning and only drops in occasionally to keep up appearances, since whoever we lynch is fine with him as long as we lynch a town. This is obvious to me as he has never once argued strongly against a wagon.

[the_end]

scumteam is rb and Sofiel

Early in the game, the exchange between rb and Sofiel from post 113 to 119 feels like rb was coaching Sofiel (this was the time Sofiel got a lot of heat for voting and unvoting). See my post 121 for a summary. See also ssbm's reread notes in 430

In 424 rb says Sofiel is the best lynch. In 429 rb says Sofiel makes sense in most scumteams and Sofiel is on his scumlist. In 437 Sofiel is no longer his lynch vote, infact, rb goes so far as to say that even if Sofiel is scum he's willing to let Sofiel win. This feels like rb was attempting to gradually take the heat off Sofiel and redirect it onto aero (and me). Of course if Sofiel does get lynched today and turns out to be scum then rb can say he always thought Sofiel was scum.
Sofiel voting rb is a calculated move. I think rb and Sofiel are confident that rb wont get lynched today because rb has been considered town by nearly all players since the beginning of the game, and even with the recent scrutiny of rb (and aero) Sofiel's vote on rb is unlikely to impress anyone into voting for rb. Even if rb does get lynched today then Sofiel comes out looking super town tomorrow. I think their intent is to distance themselves from each other, yet still not get the other fellow lynched.

I dont think rb and ssbm are scum partners. I dont think rb would so openly partner ssbm by repeatedly claiming that ssbm is town. I think rb has been using ssbm as a means to divert attention from his partnership with Sofiel. If people suspect an ssbm and rb scum partnership they're likely to lynch ssbm rather than rb, which is good for rb.

There is a possibility that aero and rb are partners. If this is the case then they've been very subtle about it. ssbm's reread notes also suggest that this partnership is unlikely. Either way, rb is the common factor in both possible scum teams and thus my vote on him.

[Huntress]

Vote Count 3.5

rb (2) - Sofiel, the_end
Aeronaut (1) - rb

Not voting (3) - Aeronaut, lucca261, ssbm_Kyouko


With six players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Three is Thursday, 26th January 23.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2017-01-26 23:00:00)).

Notes

Sofiel is V/LA until 22/1.
rb has been prodded.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I feel like the current VC reinforces the theory one of aero/rb is scum with one of te/Sofiel. No reason for scum to bus here which leaves rb's only partner as aero

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Again bussing doesn't make sense here so I don't think rb can be scum here

VOTE: Aero
Maybe with the end, that post explaining Sofiel/rb team is a huge stretch

[rb]

The_end is scum regardless of whether it's aero or sofiel btw

[rb]

The_end have you even had a single fucking townread all game?

[rb]

Sofiel, unvote me. Vote aero or the_end

[rb]

Basic logic is that I'm town, read closely because the way this game has played out makes it almost impossible:
1. I wouldn't bother bussing my scumpartner all game nor would I bus them here. I'm not scum with the_end or aero
2. I wouldn't hard buddy my scumpartner when it's possible I'm a lynch. I'm not scum with Ssbm
3. Sofiel isn't going to make her only play be a big case on her scumbuddy on Day3 when scum have 2 alive and know the last PR and can just kill the PR - there's no chance of a guilty here and so no need to try get towncred. All the scum need to do is just get a lynch on anyone not scum. I'm not in a scumteam with Sofiel.
4. Lucca is conftown, it's the only person that makes sense as scum with me, but I can't possibly be

Unvote me, this is an awful lynch

[rb]

This is why I want to find our lynch based on who is or isn't a likely scumteam. With 2 scum left in 6 players and 1 conftown, we can very easily narrow this lynch down to something good.

ALSO I was basically a universal townread im this game on night 2 and if I was scum I would have been doing kill. Anyone who thinks I'm scum is dumb or just scum themselves

[rb]

@the_end literally if you're town I will end you (hheehehee). "no reasons ssbm is town"

He's the most obvious fucking town player in this entire game, doing more pro-town things than any other slot has all game. Meanwhile since day1 your reads have literally had every single slot range from null to scumlean.

Yeah good job you're such a good player, you've basically just said all game "maybe someone in this game is a scum!!" which is just the precedent of the game, that some ppl are town and some are scum.

Don't call me a shit player when you're not even playing the game twat

[rb]

Also I'm pretty sure team is aero/sof now

Vote aero.

[rb]

Hey guys I'm scum with either Sofiel or Aero - that makes sense when I'm trying to lynch Aero and Sofiel is trying to lynch me in MyLo.

#goodplayerthings

[lucca261]

I think End is town, RB. It's between {Kyouko, Aero and Sofiel.}

I want to lynch Sofiel today, if Kyouko is not available.

Who would vote Sofiel?

[rb]

I would.

Ssbm is just such a strong TR for me, I can't lynch there.

[the_end]

@the_end literally if you're town I will end you (hheehehee). "no reasons ssbm is town"

He's the most obvious fucking town player in this entire game, doing more pro-town things than any other slot has all game. Meanwhile since day1 your reads have literally had every single slot range from null to scumlean.

Yeah good job you're such a good player, you've basically just said all game "maybe someone in this game is a scum!!" which is just the precedent of the game, that some ppl are town and some are scum.

Don't call me a shit player when you're not even playing the game twat

You seen upset, rb. Why don't you take a break and walk away from the keyboard for a bit. Its not like you're helping us with your shit playing anyway lol.

[the_end]

Basic logic is that I'm town, read closely because the way this game has played out makes it almost impossible:
1. I wouldn't bother bussing my scumpartner all game nor would I bus them here. I'm not scum with the_end or aero
2. I wouldn't hard buddy my scumpartner when it's possible I'm a lynch. I'm not scum with Ssbm
3. Sofiel isn't going to make her only play be a big case on her scumbuddy on Day3 when scum have 2 alive and know the last PR and can just kill the PR - there's no chance of a guilty here and so no need to try get towncred. All the scum need to do is just get a lynch on anyone not scum. I'm not in a scumteam with Sofiel.
4. Lucca is conftown, it's the only person that makes sense as scum with me, but I can't possibly be

Unvote me, this is an awful lynch

"Oh no! I'm going to get lynched soon because I played like shit. Boo hoo!"

[the_end]

Again bussing doesn't make sense here so I don't think rb can be scum here

VOTE: Aero
Maybe with the end, that post explaining Sofiel/rb team is a huge stretch

I'm honestly quite surprised you disagree with me so strongly about the scumteam being Sofiel and rb. The "Sofiel/rb" section of your rereadlist in 430 seems to agree with me. In that list you think Aero/Sofiel is a stronger team whereas I think rb/Sofiel is a stronger team. This is because I'm convinced rb is scum, and his pairing with Sofiel is more likely to me than his pairing with Aero.

[the_end]

I think End is town, RB. It's between {Kyouko, Aero and Sofiel.}

I want to lynch Sofiel today, if Kyouko is not available.

Who would vote Sofiel?

The scumteam is Sofiel/rb. If we're not in agreement to lynch rb, then I'm willing to lynch Sofiel.

[rb]

it's the_end + aero.