Open 671: Greater Idea - OVER

[Vaxkiller]

Let's get this party started!

I'm Masons with RadiantCowbells and Lovers with Not_Mafia.

Crazy, I know.

VOTE: culted

Why the fuck would you say that? Or is this a joke?

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: kop Who turns down the chance to turn into a talking tree stump?

[Vaxkiller]

Am confident that if I reveal the role that I 'kept', the impact of that on the game would be zero.

So you took the less powerful role? Why?

[Vaxkiller]

Oh cmon, no one likes playing scum? I find that hard to believe. As for Aliens, arent they just another mafia group? (theres nothing else special about them besides that is there?)

[Vaxkiller]

Also? Wild Card is TWO WORDS.

Which you'd have known if it was in your role pm.

Holy shit are you over reaching on this one. Here let me help you, he also didn't CAPITALIZE the W and C. Huge scum tell!

VOTE: Grey

[Vaxkiller]

I didn't understand. Can you explain. I discarded 'alien prober'. Kept 'wildcard'.

lol, oh wait, maybe he is lying.

[Vaxkiller]

You dont keep a Wild Card, it gets used.

VOTE: Spade Ace

[Vaxkiller]

I still didn't understand what your point is. I discarded alien prober, kept wildcard. Was given the new role when the game started.

You are saying your role is "Wild Card"

[Vaxkiller]

Received new role once game starts.

Received. Past tense, so you already RECEIVED your new role, why would you claim Wild Card?

I hope the scum PT's are released after the game!

[Vaxkiller]

Hey!!!

Parrot role looked really interesting. Why would you discard that?

Am confident that if I reveal the role that I 'kept', the impact of that on the game would be zero.

I don't like this post. You are repeating something someone said, and then you are revealing your role even without anyone asking about it. Why?

Ohh didnt know having the same opinion as someone else was a crime.

@alban the WHOLE point of it was that i WASN'T revealing my actual role. I was only revealing the choice I 'kept'.

Why? Cos it was fun that was why. But people have sucked the fun part out of it so much so that i regret it now.

Everything you said was so convoluted. It seemed like you were trying to say you STILL HAD the wild card which made no sense.

UNVOTE: spade for now.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Grey

Reasons

[Vaxkiller]

Thats a pretty good thought process bangthemafia

[Vaxkiller]

So you lied. I am very much tempted to follow "Lynch all liars" strategy.

I dare you.

I fucking dare you.

In fact, I'll say you don't have the balls to do it.

Are you going to take tat from him bang the mafia?

[Vaxkiller]

Discarded roles like treestump and lover don't tell anything.

How? Lover is an awful role, pretty much forcing that player to choose whatever the other option is.

[Vaxkiller]

Exactly! He had to take the other role, but what the other role was can't be determined. I'd say it's 50% for town and 50% for scum.

Yeah lets get that guy!

Oh wait its me.

[Vaxkiller]

Why is it more fun to be a trivial town?

You are right. Not trivial town but trivial 3rd party roles like jester and lyncher, that don't threaten town wincon might be fun and challenging to play than having a potent town role.

Not really

[Vaxkiller]

Really? I would have loved to play as jester and try to get people to lynch me.

It's harder than you think.

[Vaxkiller]

I assumed it was some prior beef.

[Vaxkiller]

8 pages to read. I shall do that once I am finished with work this afternoon.

It's 11 friggin pages.... of mostly non-sense! Join the game!

VOTE: kop

[Vaxkiller]

Okay so the main reason I decided to hop in here was to play a Greater Idea game in forum style, since I have experience with this setup in chat mafia.
One thing I'd like to mention is

scummy discards

. There are two forms: initial and claimed. Initial scummy discards are when someone discards a very powerful role. It suggests they found a better (usually scum) role. Claimed ones are where the claimed role is less fun to play then the discard, suggesting the claim is fake.
Also, I'm not sure if this is the case, but

usually

roles are not repeated. So the Parrot that is discarded in the OP cannot be held by another player.

Thanks for this tip. Quite interesting and logical!!

^Trying to figure out his new fake claim^

stump is mostly vanilla, so I can see it being discarded

It would only be weird if anyone one who is exceptional verbose, opinionated, or a troll discarded it.

Vax - explain your unvote in the post I quoted.

Thanks for providing the number of whatever post I missed.

Post 315?
I rode that train of suspicion but got off at the station of doubt.

RC-NM scumbuds pretending to hate each other.
Grey-GE scumbuds pretending to love each other.

I'm actually a Mason Doctor, and my partner is Gamma Emerald.

I'm a self targeting cop. I'll let you guys know the results tomorrow.

@Alban
Do you not suspect Grey anymore?

@kop
Are you going to vote your scum reads or just talk about them?

[Vaxkiller]

Charloux's scum but I'm not doing jack while there's this many votes on me.

You are not going to help us because your mad? Cmon.

[Vaxkiller]

Charloux's scum but I'm not doing jack while there's this many votes on me.

Agree with you about Charl, but dont agree with you about NM.

Agree why?

Also, associations day 1?

[Vaxkiller]

@RC: I'll give you 3 options to choose from
1)Explain you SR on me
2)Claim
3)Get shot if you want neither

I think you answered #1 with this post.

[Vaxkiller]

davesaz at 2 votes:

You really want to help scum know who to kill first, go ahead and run me up.

Gotta see waht 3 votes post looks like.
VOTE: davesaz

[Vaxkiller]

Wow

VOTE: Charloux

[Vaxkiller]

Im not persuading you to not lynch me;

TRIES TO PERSUADE NOT TO LYNCH HIM

[Vaxkiller]

dat double space ace vote!

Seriously, if charloux is not scum then he will be nominated for a scummy - Scum MVP - for killing the cop and wasting a fucking lynch.

[Vaxkiller]

I like grey for town but dave has got to go.

VOTE: Dave

Yes NM reactions were weird, they were overdone with no feeling behind it. It reeked of him knowing outcome but trying to deny it.
But then were talking about not mafia, the one line wonder, so it might just be lynch bait.

On the contrary, isnt it a classic scum tactic to nightkill those who town read them and try for a lynch of people scumreading them

What about his other town reads?

I think you got some conf bias going on.

[Vaxkiller]

Whos mirroring your scum reads?

[Vaxkiller]

I get dave and bang, but alban leans town for me.

[Vaxkiller]

I get dave and bang, but alban leans town for me.

Talk to me.

I liked his thought process in his posts and his thoughts on RC left me with good feelings.

I missed post 529, and it is pretty scummy, especially when you consider after the RC flip he failed to post anything until 529, and he was pretty talkative before that.

aaaaaand now I have the same reads as you as well.

I really cant decide whos worse, davesaz or alban.

I'm also worried about Kop lurking. He was pretty silent (with the exception of his vote) after the RC flip too, and with a massive 6 posts, I cant get a read.

[Vaxkiller]

I liked his push on spade and you early game and his defense on RC when NM and char were on him. To be clear tho, I stayed away from RC and NM because I thought they might be lyncher/jester. Albans thoughts are pretty transparent and he put some time into posts like 375, even if hes the only one that believes it.

[Vaxkiller]

Too many people agreeing with too many of my reads.

I have a post restriction to post like you.

[Vaxkiller]

You won't be lynching me.

I hate this so much.

Can you give us some thoughts instead of squirming around when you have a few votes on you?

[Vaxkiller]

That is 4 votes. L-1. Time to claim.

I am a

Black Goo

. Anyone who targets me joins the Cult faction. I win when town wins.

I'm caught up. Why negative town utility over alien prober? Also why didnt you fucking claim day1 instead of (possibly)converting someone? If I had the option of Alien prober or black goo, Id choose the alien because it would help myself and my potential team. Your choice did neither!

[Vaxkiller]

I am a town.

When people say this I cringe.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm still lost on grey offering himself up for a lynch, how would this help town to get a failed lynch?

[Vaxkiller]

Hey Charloux. Nice to see you again.

@grey I don't think it was shitty. I like being surprised.

My choice was pretty Wild....
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wait for it.
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... card.
It was wildcard. The only role whose revealation has zero impact.

Vax is scum.

You quote spade and call me scum?

[Vaxkiller]

Because a lot of shit is going on right now. Grey claimed Saulus for one. I'm not sure about him.

Grey, are you claiming to still be mafia aligned at the moment? (You didn't already change to town?)

[Vaxkiller]

@vax I chose wildcard not 'black goo'. This was assigned to me after all the discards.

Oh yeah, well that makes more sense. Still, why didnt you tell anyone?

[Vaxkiller]

Grey, are you claiming to still be mafia aligned at the moment? (You didn't already change to town?)

I have to be lynched to become town.

Wiki says "or other kill"

[Vaxkiller]

Are you sure you are still mafia? Can you check your inbox?

[Vaxkiller]

Are you sure you are still mafia? Can you check your inbox?

I'm still mafia. I get email and pop up notifications on pm.

Just needed to make sure.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm fairly sure grey is telling the truth.

VOTE: grey

[Vaxkiller]

I am Survivor

Gamma, are there any variations to your role. Like, you just need to survive till day 3 kind?

A quick wikki read suggests that survivor role is essentially anti-town as scum now needs to focus on one less person to win their game. Your role could also be a liability to town at Lylo. If all you care is your wincon you could vote town and wait for scum to hammer.

We are sure there are 4 town members alive. Excluding the Saulus and the survivor, we could still have a maximum of 3 scum alive.

If you are indeed a survivor, the game now reduces to 8 players fighting for their wincons. I dont think scum will nk you.

Also, gamma what was the reason for your claim?

Look by my username

Looks at their own username.

Shit.

[Vaxkiller]

I think scum's agenda is this.
Push for a lynch on grey on the pretext of it being favourable for town. Get him converted to town. Kill him at nighy. Push for a mislynch on spade the next day. This should be easier the next day with grey dead.

@bang if you can clearly explain how exactly a grey lynch is beneficial for town, am willing to support it.

Else i think it is best one of us gets lynched today. Thw flips would help town.

Waht the fuck.

- 1 scum
+ 1 town


I

almost

want to vote you on this post alone.

Bangs 958 is so much worse however.

Voting for grey is the towniest thing anyone could do in this game, and you somehow took that idea and made it scummy. I mean how could you screw that up any worse? You didn't have to "case" grey and explain your reasoning in a gigantic post... hes scum. He needs to be lynched. The end.

Here is how your post SHOULD have went:

VOTE: Grey
/post

Here is how it actually went:

Hey guys, I realize some people are starting to scum read me so I want to appear town, but not too town, so I'm going to "case" the guy everyone already know is scum and explain my vote very clearly, so no one catches on to me at all. Did I do that right? Ok good
VOTE: Grey



VOTE: bang

[Vaxkiller]

This town is clueless and doesn't want to lynch grey for some reason. Grey tried. I tried. Nothing.

[Vaxkiller]

I've had my vote on him for some time and no one is interested. What else can be said for a grey lynch... its simple, hes scum. It doesn't need to be argued or explained, but NO ONE wanted to vote him.

The only possible way it could be a fake claim is that he is a Jester, but it seems unlikely.

[Vaxkiller]

I am in 100% agreement spade, now convince everyone else.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Grey

[Vaxkiller]

@bang, that is how its done ^

[Vaxkiller]

Un-lynchable scum? This isn't worst idea mafia. Even 1 shot unlynchable is crazy OP.

google great idea mafia for roles

[Vaxkiller]

Good lord:

Alien One-shot Unlynchable is a role.

[Vaxkiller]

@bang For a person who says he has no experience with Greater Idea mafia, how were you able to use this exact phrase 'one shot unlynchable' without even having read the wikki.

This.

[Vaxkiller]

I think Scum is in the town discards.

bang is obvtown
Alban looked better d2, and seriously, who turns down Cupid as scum? Twofer kills are amazing.

Greys reads SHOULD change now that he is full fledged town. I find it disconcerting that our reads were so similar when he was scum tho.

Vax is nowhere near being cleared by his discard.

Lover is a loser role. Worse than VT.

Yeah I literally would have chosen ANYTHING over lover role.

VOTE: Not Mafia

This is not an OMGUS vote or a lurker vote. Not mafia is scum.

[Vaxkiller]

Well, thats less disconcerting then, I was questioning everything because I thought you changed at some point.

I can see bang's slight change but I'm still not sure on him yet. His posts today are very indicative of game solving and trying to figure things out, but I have a hard time buying it.

Mafia needs to die tho.

[Vaxkiller]

Aint nobody gonna catch me

I can't wait to hear the lie you cooked up.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Not Mafia

This is not an OMGUS vote or a lurker vote. Not mafia is scum.

On a scale of 1 to Scum, how 10 is Not Mafia?

10

I was hoping to not have to come out and explain it. I watched Davesaz last night. Not mafia visited him, now hes dead.

[Vaxkiller]

Lol, that was quick, bang asked you some questions a while back, but your lurking around to call me a liar!

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Not Mafia

This is not an OMGUS vote or a lurker vote. Not mafia is scum.

On a scale of 1 to Scum, how 10 is Not Mafia?

10

I was hoping to not have to come out and explain it. I watched Davesaz last night. Not mafia visited him, now hes dead.

What made you watch Davesaz?

A post grey made yesterday, im a little busy at the moment, but it alerted me that maybe I was wrong about him. I'll find it later tonight.

[Vaxkiller]

I am Mafia,but Charloux was my only partner, I'm pretty Vax is wolf and probably has a partner, if we lynch Vax you can tell me who to NK

ROFL!

[Vaxkiller]

Guys, im mafia, but im on YOUR side!

[Vaxkiller]

you're town's optimal lynch

I get your point if there are multiple wearwolves, but how the fuck am i the optimal lynch if I saw you visit davesaz last night, you lied about it, then admitted it?

Is wearwolf watcher a role?

Ugh, it is a role. How convenient for what ever your agenda is here.

[Vaxkiller]

What made you watch Davesaz?

Protect Dave, not me.

I'm just vanilla now

Here is the quote that made me rethink dave.

[Vaxkiller]

2. Vax, please claim completely.

Town Watcher

[Vaxkiller]

I am Mafia,but Charloux was my only partner, I'm pretty Vax is wolf and probably has a partner, if we lynch Vax you can tell me who to NK

SO he comes out here and just syas he is mafia... but he is only "pretty (sure?) im a wolf". If you were a seer wouldn't you be absolutely?

Unless he was saying - I'm Pretty (referring to himself) and Vax is a wolf.

[Vaxkiller]

TOWN
Grey - Has to be town, there is only one other option and it seems unlikely.

Leans town
Alban - I still like albans thought process, but he needs to talk more.

Null
Bang - Bangs play up until yesterday seemed more scummy to me, but his talk today is better.
Gamma/Carnelian - Gamma leaned town, but his replacement does not. Gamms play showed game solving and a good thought process. Carn took that and threw it out the window. Carnelians posts thus far has left me wanting more. The slot is also a revolving door, but that could mean anything.

Leans scum
Kop - Lurker, contribute something that isnt completely obvious!

Scum
NM - Obviously

My Kop and alaban reads are crap. I'm basically scum reading kop because of low activity and POE, and I hate doing that. Alban is similar PoE, mafia cupid is a crazy powerful scum role, so im thinking he chose a more interesting role, and I want to believe its town.

I cant tell yet if its a shame that gamma left and carnelian ruined his town read, or a blessing, time will tell.

[Vaxkiller]

Here is the thing. NM might have a point about wearwolves/other faction, but hes lying about being a seer. The only plausible explanation to me is there are more scum OR he wants to help, but the only way anyone will listen is if he takes his "best guess" and lies about "knowing" they are a wolf.

NM, time to start being honest about you being a seer.

[Vaxkiller]

Okay fine I'll be honest, I'm a seer and you're a werewolf

I jsut cant take this seriously, i mean its such an obvious lie.

[Vaxkiller]

Not mafia, why don't you just put everything on the table so everyone else can see your lying. Tell us everything.

[Vaxkiller]

We need a list of targets for both nights of any actions the scum team performed.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Good luck wolves you deserve the win

Hoooooooooowl!

[Vaxkiller]

Just kidding!

[Vaxkiller]

Excellent watcher claim vax. Nice bluff

TY Good call on Lowell night 1!!!!!

Good game everyone well played. THank you so much to our mods!!!!

[Vaxkiller]

Vax, what a game on day 3!! But not happy with your activity level overall.

Thanks, Why do you think my activity was low? I thought I was posting pretty frequently! Sometimes a weekend would go by without too much, but weekdays were pretty frequent.

[Vaxkiller]

Role madness games are so much more fun than regular ones!
Going back to normal games is way too tame now.

I swear its the ONLY way I get to play anything else besides VT.

[Vaxkiller]

Greatest Idea is even more fun than Greater Idea.

And Worst idea is even better than that!

[Vaxkiller]

Howz it different from greatest?

It's the worst!

[Vaxkiller]

Here is the idea thread for it: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4736

Most of the roles have incredibly overpowered and/or complex mechanics that are guaranteed to be a mods worst nightmare, trying to figure out how they work in conjunction with each other.

An example?

You are a Win Condition Reverser.

Each night, you may target a player other than yourself. If they would win (at any subsequent point in the game), they lose instead. If they would lose, they win instead. They will not be informed of this.

[Vaxkiller]

@mod I dont need to make any edits to the ww pt, we were pretty nice in there.

Its mostly me, suggesting one crazy gambit after the next... to me high risk = high reward!

[Vaxkiller]

BTW I'm really surprised NM admitted to being mafia after my fake watch claim, I wasnt prepared for that!