Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[SirCakez]

I know that I would make that claim as scum...but I wouldn't have pointed out the not-dying part and that is where it caught my attention and makes me think it's a scumclaim, smarter townplay is to only partially claim if that is the truth (at least how I'd do it) - do Yu really think scum let town-masonizer-mastina live N1 for the confirm? no, it's a scumclaim at L-3

and yeah, I'm playing this game differently, but it IS only D1 and my passiveness isn't likely to go much past it if I live into D2

Ok I found this
I'm not sure what this is arguing. If she is town and hadn't claimed it it's likely she would have been lynched. I don't see why her being likely to be NKed with this claim makes it a scumclaim.

[Nachomamma8]

If she was town and then got NKed, then we might have been looking for crumbs to what scum she targeted which would have cropped up super unnecessary paranoia.

[Monokuma]

When did we claim to be a confirmable role? I mean, we have a role you can confirm is in fact our role, but it's not a role you can verify is town.

[SirCakez]

If she was town and then got NKed, then we might have been looking for crumbs to what scum she targeted which would have cropped up super unnecessary paranoia.

Paranoia > lynching a confirmable town, no?

[Nachomamma8]

When did we claim to be a confirmable role? I mean, we have a role you can confirm is in fact our role, but it's not a role you can verify is town.

I'm Popeye the sailor man
I'm Popeye the sailor man
I'm strong to the fin-ich
Cause I eats me spin-ach
I'm Popeye the sailor man.

[Nachomamma8]

Paranoia > lynching a confirmable town, no?

I'm not sure what you were saying; I was giving another reason why mastin claims that she doesn't die when she targets scum unless my wires got crossed somewhere.

[SirCakez]

I'm saying that dreal's reasoning for mastina being scum doesn't hold water

[drealmerz7]

I don't recall giving much reasoning for her being scum other than vague shit like "I can tell"

[SirCakez]

Read the post at the top of this page

[Pine]

Site-wide post: Apologies for absences, I have been having some internet connectivity issues to cap off a week of rough personal issues, including illness in the family and problems at work. These should (I hope) be clearing up in the next day or so. I'll be catching up site-wide as soon as humanly possible.

This game has priority.

[drealmerz7]

*hug pine*

ok cakez, it's still a theory obviously and I didn't get into it deeply /elaborate or push it much

sounds like you're just building foundation for discrediting it come tomorrow? not sure why even bring it up...

[SirCakez]

I brought it up because I asked why you were still scumreading mastina and you said it was in your ISO. So I went and got it.
I'm excited to hear more about this theory later, then.

[drealmerz7]

oh I thought you were asking about the masonizer thing, and I said that was in ISO

but yeah, this game is so far gone from me now, let's see if I can even reign it back in (usually can if I live long enough)

[Prism]

I'm just going to go ahead and say that over time my read on mastina has gradually changed from "probably town for play" to "probably town for the claim" to "kind of town for the claim" to "leaning scum except for the claim." The fact that the mason is basically guaranteed to fail makes the claim silly. That said, I'm still not going to advocate a lynch.

I'll try and review the last 5-6 pages later today.

[Prism]

To review what has to happen for Mastina's mason to be successful, she has to:

1) Not pick scum (1/3 chance if we mislynch town today)
2) Not be roleblocked or redirected to scum (I doubt scum doesn't have an RB)
3) Not pick a night death

[Prism]

(1/3 chance if we mislynch town today)

Well, 3/11 in favor of hitting scum, but you get the point.

[Katsuki]

Have you skimmed my ISO at all?

I hadn't, but don't think I need to do so anymore anyways.

Mastin's I may get to some day if I'm not feeling lazy.

[Katsuki]

I do find it weird that the two strongest scum players in this game wern't chosen by Pine.

[drealmerz7]

yeah, he definitely should have picked me

[Katsuki]

I was really enjoying the interaction katsuki and I were having and am a little put-off at their leaving in what I thought was the middle of a good exchange (it was helping me form a read, which I can't help but be suspicious of them realizing and bailing out on it.)

Maybe if you didn't feel the need to converse at like 3am or smth

why do you think it is more okay to not read the game as town than scum?

I'm too tired right now to explain this, because a serious answer would take too many words. Long story short, it takes exponentially more effort to play as scum (assuming you're a competent player with a proper understanding of how to play mafia).

Fate can explain the rest for me.

I'll explain it. Town can be lazy and still win, but scum have to work to pretend to be town.

Pretty bad argument tho, because scum/town can do anything and argue thier reasons later.

All of this is wrong.

[drealmerz7]

I did figure the time could have something to do with it, but, you left me hanging, and we were doing well! I was starting to get a good feel for you.

[drealmerz7]

):

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: katsuki

get back here and talk to me

UNVOTE: katsuki

[mastina]

Phoneposting. Internet down. V/LA until it returns. Am burning through precious data to post even this message.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Phoneposting. Internet down. V/LA until it returns. Am burning through precious data to post even this message.

There goes our lynch