Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Infinity 324]

It's like my entire ISO is just votes without any explanation...

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 2.01

Klingoncelt [3] Infinity 324, Desperado, AJ the Epic
Infinity 324 [1] Titus
Titus [1] Nero Cain

Not Voting - [10] Aeronaut, TheWayItEnds, Heartless, Pine-A-Tonics, SirCakez, Drunken Piper, Klingoncelt, BBmolla, mastina, Lil Uzi Vert,

With 15 Alive, It Takes 8 To Lynch.

Rogue Leader Vote:

Mod Notes - May the flavor be with you.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2017-02-08 12:26:20)!

[Desperado]

Why? Did you not read the same EoD yesterday?

You mean the one where Kling hammered without a claim?

Ya I saw it. Why are you pussy-footing around with a shitty vanity wagon?

[Infinity 324]

Let me rephrase the question. If I flipped town, who would you scumread?

[Nero Cain]

It's like my entire ISO is just votes without any explanation...

shhh. She's just scum defending here.

[Titus]

Why? Did you not read the same EoD yesterday?

You mean the one where Kling hammered without a claim?

Ya I saw it. Why are you pussy-footing around with a shitty vanity wagon?

Why are you pussy footing around with this, while knowing thread consensus was that he would have claimed if not vt and we needed a lynch?

[Infinity 324]

Ok. So heartless, desp, me, and nacho were in the rogue crew last night, and then pine joined the crew in the middle. This creeped all of us out, but gin made some towny posts in the pt so yeah. I still think mastin/pine is SvT, and I'm strongly leaning towards mastin being the scum there.]

In the PT, TTH asked me about my LUV read so here were go.

Which head said this? What was the purpose of the first question?

I like this because the question's purpose wasn't obvious and it's a town mindset to make sure people aren't asking fluff questions

Take his 30 for example where he described the game state. Instead of making an effort to change it, he simply just sulks and calls it dead. Prior to that post, PP had suggested that we should talk about who to vote for Rouge Leader and Titus casts a naked voted for Infinity. Those posts were things he could have commented on if he found the game was dead.

In his 182 and 279, he seems to be hinting that he has a scum read on AJ and me, but doesn't follow up at all with his suspicions.

I didn't pay much attention to it the first time but after a reread I noticed how awkward he was when he voted for Titus in 81. I'm not sure if was a hint at a role or what but it read to me like he was trying to play his vote off as a joke because he either had a very weak reason or one that he thought wouldn't be too convincing if people questioned him on why he voted for her. The reasoning for the vote is also pretty bad. Effort is NAI and trying too hard can easily come from town who want to work with people they town read or have people sheep their reads because they are confident in them.

I thought these were all good and I believe original points.

Why do you have Aero and Indigo so high?

Because they're town, yo.

Help me see what you're seeing.

This always pings me as town, scum doesn't care so much about seeing someone else's perspective and would rather push an agenda.

With that said, there was less towny in his ISO than I originally thought, and the end of his ISO is somewhat worrying to me (specifically 1009, 1315, and 1374), and I tend to weight pretty strongly someone's play when they're disengaged from the game. So LUV will go back to null I guess, maybe slightly below.

[Titus]

Ok. So heartless, desp, me, and nacho were in the rogue crew last night, and then pine joined the crew in the middle. This creeped all of us out, but gin made some towny posts in the pt so yeah. I still think mastin/pine is SvT, and I'm strongly leaning towards mastin being the scum there.]

In the PT, TTH asked me about my LUV read so here were go.

Which head said this? What was the purpose of the first question?

I like this because the question's purpose wasn't obvious and it's a town mindset to make sure people aren't asking fluff questions

Take his 30 for example where he described the game state. Instead of making an effort to change it, he simply just sulks and calls it dead. Prior to that post, PP had suggested that we should talk about who to vote for Rouge Leader and Titus casts a naked voted for Infinity. Those posts were things he could have commented on if he found the game was dead.

In his 182 and 279, he seems to be hinting that he has a scum read on AJ and me, but doesn't follow up at all with his suspicions.

I didn't pay much attention to it the first time but after a reread I noticed how awkward he was when he voted for Titus in 81. I'm not sure if was a hint at a role or what but it read to me like he was trying to play his vote off as a joke because he either had a very weak reason or one that he thought wouldn't be too convincing if people questioned him on why he voted for her. The reasoning for the vote is also pretty bad. Effort is NAI and trying too hard can easily come from town who want to work with people they town read or have people sheep their reads because they are confident in them.

I thought these were all good and I believe original points.

Why do you have Aero and Indigo so high?

Because they're town, yo.

Help me see what you're seeing.

This always pings me as town, scum doesn't care so much about seeing someone else's perspective and would rather push an agenda.

With that said, there was less towny in his ISO than I originally thought, and the end of his ISO is somewhat worrying to me (specifically 1009, 1315, and 1374), and I tend to weight pretty strongly someone's play when they're disengaged from the game. So LUV will go back to null I guess, maybe slightly below.

Why the hell would you out this? By withholding the names, we could have seen which of your buddies knew too much... oh wait...

If TTH asked you in the PT about a read, why not answer him in the PT?

The rhetorical help me see things us an excellent question if scum need to move a vote or want to prop up town.

So my question is, why are you publicly propping up Uzi?

[Infinity 324]

I didn't think about scumslipping, but tbh that's very unlikely and we agreed in the PT that it was ok to talk about it. Plus it might help other people with reads

I decided to answer in public because there wasn't a reason to keep it secret

I'm not "propping up" uzi, I'm just explaining where I'm at with him right now. Which isn't even town, if you're reading...

[Titus]

You sure are treating Uzi like he's town there.

I like this post... he has original thoughts, and then throwing a bit of distance at the end, so you aren't stuck with it.

[Titus]

I will need to compare who Uzi is pushing/defending there. It will tell me a fair amount about your partners.

[Infinity 324]

Some stuff he did is towny and some stuff is scummy. That's all it is.

[Infinity 324]

Titus, what percent of the time when you tunnel on a player are they scum?

[Nero Cain]

1%

[TheWayItEnds]

on a scale from minorly to game ending how bad is it if theres scum on the crew?

[Infinity 324]

on a scale from minorly to game ending how bad is it if theres scum on the crew?

It doesn't make too huge of a difference tbh

[Infinity 324]

I will need to compare who Uzi is pushing/defending there. It will tell me a fair amount about your partners.

I would like you to explain your thought processes here anyway.

[Drunken Piper]

Ok. So heartless, desp, me, and nacho were in the rogue crew last night, and

then pine joined the crew

in the middle.

I for one, will need more info,
on exactly how did this go?

[Infinity 324]

Apparently it's a 1-shot part of pine's role

[Titus]

Titus, what percent of the time when you tunnel on a player are they scum?

1%

In what percentage of games does Nero attempt to discredit me?

I'll let my recent finished games speak for themselves. Wake's rolemadness (wrong once out of 7 or 8 in multiball). Open 661 (nailed 2 or 3 scum, died while reaction testing the third).When I lock on, the target is most likely scum.

[mastina]

Mastin is still probably scum, she definitely needs to explain why she townreads klingon.

Experience.
Wait a couple of weeks and I'll probably be able to tell you more about it. If you want me to talk now, I have to keep it vague and generic and unspecific as possible, which...I basically already have done?

Also, that TheThinker wagon was town as fuck with two obvious, glaring exceptions:

VOTE: Pine-A-Tonics.
(The other is SirCakez.)
Aeronaut has moved into full-blown scumread territory. LUV's push on me makes me think that, short of Pine coaching them to do exactly that (not impossible, mind you), they are probably town. The fourth remains Molla.

Half-on, half-off.

[Infinity 324]

Aeronaut has moved into full-blown scumread territory.

I want you to talk about this when you get the chance as well, because I am very confused about what happened to your aero read. You townread him for what seemed like very little at the time then continuously moved him down giving no explanation when to me he even got townier. What?

[mastina]

Ok. So heartless, desp, me, and nacho were in the rogue crew last night, and then pine joined the crew in the middle. This creeped all of us out, but gin made some towny posts in the pt so yeah.

Okay, so that's pretty blatantly a scumclaim.
Heartless, you, Desperado, and Nacho are all clearly town. That's an all-town rogue crew if ever I've seen one. (So, joining had some clear scum motivation.) Further exemplified by Nacho's death during the night. And then, you're telling me Gin made good points in the PT?

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I basically taught TheRealGin-N-Tonic how to town it up behind closed doors. (Not directly, but indirectly, via my theory work. Most recently seen here, but elsewhere too.) Because, uh. Yeah. They're closed fucking doors. We can't see them. It's easier to manipulate two or three town players than it is the entire town.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: klingon
Titus what happened to wanting to wagon Klingon?

[Infinity 324]

{Nero Cain, Desperado, Heartless}
{Drunken Piper, SirCakez, Aj the Epic, Titus}
{Aeronaut, Pine-A-Tonics}
Null: {TheWayItEnds, BBmolla}
{Lil Uzi Vert}
{mastina, Klingoncelt}

molla moved up because...feels