Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

Fro99er · Post Post #4425 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:39 am

In post 4418, PeregrineV wrote:FYI, the first 2 are links to posts where you talk about how you saw people being framed in other games, not actual links to those games.

I get that, my point is AFTER those games were over it was pointed out those were actual framings, so it's not like those framings were faked. I mean, especially the one where I framed lalaladucks I openly admit to framing her. And in frog mafia I modded it and watched BBT get framed.

Alisae · Post Post #4426 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:40 am

In post 4420, PeregrineV wrote:A. Why would I specifically, as scum, want to kill Gerry?
B. If I wanted him dead, why not just shoot him?
C. Are players killed only to frame other players, in your experience?

A. Scum like having a justified vote, so if you could easily frame someone as scum for a NK, then you could push a lynch.
B. Because you want to lynch him. Garrybote was scumread by some people D1. If you attempt to frame him you could easily push for his lynch.
C. No. I personally think Manny was killed because Clumsy pointed him out to be an obv mason partner.

gerryoat · Post Post #4427 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:40 am

I didn't say you were 100% scum, btw. I was saying you MIGHT be. I'm not even voting you right now, frogger. i think you got way too defensive. PV is doing what i did but harder, and you dont see me freaking out over it.

kuror0 · Post Post #4428 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:41 am

In post 4421, Fro99er wrote:from the neighborizer wiki: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer
A Neighborizer without any Neighbors at the start of the game is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.
Any players added to a Neighborhood are added at the start of the next day, regardless of whether the Neighborizer lives or not
, and their Role Name is not changed.

thx for the clarification.

PeregrineV · Post Post #4429 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:42 am

In post 4413, Fro99er wrote:
In post 4392, PeregrineV wrote:The question still stands, why does framing YOU on night1 become so important for a single scumteam in a multiball game?
Because it's working and the easiest way for said scum team to not have anyone in their team be lynched.

Yourself, Gerry, and kuror have all decided that I'm scum because of the cloud kill, and several others were already suspicious of me. It's the easiest way to build up a lynch against me, regardless from that scum team's POV if I am town or other scum.

So why you assumed they were framing a town!me is beyond me, unless you know I'm town and you are other scum.

Actually, no.

I have no read on you.

What I am seeing is you becoming suddenly defensive, as if trying to give yourself a free pass from scumhunting today, because you'll be too busy trying to hold off from being lynched after being framed.

You have given ZERO reasons why anyone would bother, yet are basing your play on it.

So keep defending.

gerryoat · Post Post #4430 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:42 am

In post 4397, Jaack wrote:
In post 4388, gerryoat wrote:
In post 4378, Jaack wrote:Gerry I'm a little more willing to be convinced on.
you TR transcend who has a meta hard TR on me, and you think i can be maf?
I can town read someone and disagree with their read.

That being said, I never said I scumread you, just that I didn't have a particularly strong townread, and was opene to reevaluation. Your response isn't easing any of my fears.

dont care about your fears, just telling you how it is straight up. Dude plays with me all the time on another website, and can usually read me well.

Fro99er · Post Post #4431 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:42 am

In post 4424, kuror0 wrote:
In post 4413, Fro99er wrote:
In post 4392, PeregrineV wrote:The question still stands, why does framing YOU on night1 become so important for a single scumteam in a multiball game?
Yourself, Gerry, and kuror have all decided that I'm scum because of the cloud kill, and several others were already suspicious of me. It's the easiest way to build up a lynch against me, regardless from that scum team's POV if I am town or other scum.

So why you assumed they were framing a town!me is beyond me, unless you know I'm town and you are other scum.
I agree with your general idea but as I pointed out before I had a scum read on you before the night. And to counter your framing idea I have seen scum kill his main pusher to clear himself. Wrold is crazy like that. Anyways if I scumread you it has so little to do with cloud's death that we can ignore it.

p-edit: this post ignores everything that came after my last post. you guys type too fast and I have split focus.

I think we're in agreement here from your pedit. I think your use of the NK was fine. Pere's and Gerry's wasn't because that's literally their whole point against me.

Also, I agree it's all wifom which is why NK speculation is dumb. I'm not the one who brought it up...you and Gerry were. I just responded that me being framed is the obvious reason why it's dumb to just suspect me for that sole reason, as Gerry did.

gerryoat · Post Post #4432 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:43 am

Also I should state, me and Cloud are friends from another website on EM. It makes sense that he'd try to neighbor me or Transcend to buddy one of us. I think he felt that I would be easier to buddy since Transcend already outed a TR on him.

Fro99er · Post Post #4433 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:43 am

In post 4429, PeregrineV wrote:What I am seeing is you becoming suddenly defensive

LOL

Cloudy chides me for being not defensive enough and PV for being too defensive.

Defense is NAI.

Fro99er · Post Post #4434 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:44 am

In post 4427, gerryoat wrote:i think you got way too defensive

So I'm scum for not being defensive and scum for being defensive.

Got it.

gerryoat · Post Post #4435 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:44 am

In post 4431, Fro99er wrote:as Gerry did.

false, you went on the full defensive and tried to say I was scum for different reasons. I showed PV quotes as to why Manuel didnt even scumread me.

Fro99er · Post Post #4436 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:45 am

In post 4429, PeregrineV wrote:as if trying to give yourself a free pass from scumhunting today

Are you kidding me? I've already put cases on Gerry, Transcend, and I think you scumslipped.

Fro99er · Post Post #4437 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:45 am

PV making shit up right now.

Alisae · Post Post #4438 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:46 am

Frogger you should vote him with me

Fro99er · Post Post #4439 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:47 am

In post 4435, gerryoat wrote:
In post 4431, Fro99er wrote:as Gerry did.
false, you went on the full defensive and tried to say I was scum for different reasons. I showed PV quotes as to why Manuel didnt even scumread me.

Let's go take the quote out of context, shall we.

Here's the full quote

In post 4431, Fro99er wrote:I just responded that me being framed is the obvious reason why
it's dumb to just suspect me for that sole reason, as Gerry did.

Now let's see your reason for scum reading me.

In post 4330, gerryoat wrote:I think frog could be in the other maf team now

In post 4331, Fro99er wrote:
In post 4330, gerryoat wrote:I think frog could be in the other maf team now
What changed?

In post 4334, gerryoat wrote:
In post 4331, Fro99er wrote:
In post 4330, gerryoat wrote:I think frog could be in the other maf team now
What changed?
Cloud kill

Yes. Misrep harder.

PeregrineV · Post Post #4440 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:47 am

In post 4426, Alisae wrote:
In post 4420, PeregrineV wrote:A. Why would I specifically, as scum, want to kill Gerry?
B. If I wanted him dead, why not just shoot him?
C. Are players killed only to frame other players, in your experience?
A. Scum like having a justified vote, so if you could easily frame someone as scum for a NK, then you could push a lynch.
B. Because you want to lynch him. Garrybote was scumread by some people D1. If you attempt to frame him you could easily push for his lynch.
C. No. I personally think Manny was killed because Clumsy pointed him out to be an obv mason partner.

A. Justified votes being all the rage?
B. Not particularly. The more people randomly defending him though, piques my interest in the idea.
C. Really? Where was that?

gerryoat · Post Post #4441 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:47 am

Regardless, as I said, I'm not even voting you right now. Besides the people who talked about the night kill stuff, who do you think is mafia

gerryoat · Post Post #4442 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:48 am

In post 4439, Fro99er wrote:Yes. Misrep harder.

no, i thought you meant in the way PV said i was scum for the manuel kill. I thought you were comparing us. nvm

Alisae · Post Post #4443 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:49 am

In post 4440, PeregrineV wrote:A. Justified votes being all the rage?
B. Not particularly. The more people randomly defending him though, piques my interest in the idea.
C. Really? Where was that?

A. Justified vote as in "Oh Manny was killed. Manny scumread Garrybote. That must give me a really strong reason to vote Garrybote."
B. I think people are defending him because you jumped on him for a NK.
C. Clumsy's ISO. Clumsy hardtownread Manny.

kuror0 · Post Post #4444 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:49 am

Ima just try to be productive on work the last hour while I wait for yoshi to tell his results. With a neighborizer dead N1 and the 2 masons out I will think anyone with a PT is scum anyone without a PT is town simple as that.

p-edit: once again this post ignores everything after my last post. I have work to finish so can't spend more time now.

PeregrineV · Post Post #4445 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:49 am

In post 4433, Fro99er wrote:
In post 4429, PeregrineV wrote:What I am seeing is you becoming suddenly defensive
LOL

Cloudy chides me for being not defensive enough and PV for being too defensive.

Defense is NAI.

More defensive relative to the scumread on you.

Fro99er · Post Post #4446 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:49 am

In post 4438, Alisae wrote:Frogger you should vote him with me

I'd rather go Gerry/Transcend, in either order, then PV because I don't have a case on PV other than the possible scum slip and his only reason for pushing on me is the NK stuff.

gerryoat · Post Post #4447 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:49 am

PV is town who just didn't read the last 80 pages, i'm pretty sure

PeregrineV · Post Post #4448 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:50 am

In post 4436, Fro99er wrote:
In post 4429, PeregrineV wrote:as if trying to give yourself a free pass from scumhunting today
Are you kidding me? I've already put cases on Gerry, Transcend, and I think you scumslipped.

Your scumreads yesterday consisted of Pine, Yoshi, and Jack.

Now they are Gerry, Transcend, and me?

PeregrineV · Post Post #4449 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:51 am

In post 4437, Fro99er wrote:PV making shit up right now.

Which part am I making up?