Mystic Mafia [Endgame]

[Papa Zito]

I gave her two total this game

The one I started with (fire) and the one I got from Infinity (Air)

And Kagami started with Earth


Who started with water?

So for Kagami to be scum, they would have started with Earth and Air, received both the other two orbs, but decided not to combine them and passed along at least Earth and Fire.

That makes 0 sense.

You know what actually makes sense? Dunn is scum and is lying about not receiving the orb.

[Staeg]

Scum haven't passed an orb, desp

[Papa Zito]

You know what actually makes sense? Dunn is scum and is lying about not receiving the orb.

This should say Desperado not Dunn woops.

[Desperado]

Scum haven't passed an orb, desp

Ah, the one he got from infinity was from the lynch.

We still have proof of a town player who did not pass an orb, so clearing people for passing orbs is nonsensical.

And Kagami did not start with two orbs; Dunn, Nacho, Kagami, and Infinity were the original owners.

[Desperado]

Ya it makes the most sense that no one has died twice in a row, and I was doc protected twice in a row, but I'm the one lying here

are you fucking serious bro

[Staeg]

So did scum-desp stop my lynch to get a massclaim so he can do whatever he can do with the orb better? And that there's no in-game event for the orb being assembled?

Yes, desp, but the argument is that scum wouldn't start with two fragments.

[Staeg]

Stalled, not stopped, I suppose.

[Desperado]

oh ya, i'm also scum who replaced a guy who was hardbussing his godlike teammate all game and was just like "ya that sounds like a good idea" and kept on with it

even tho dreal was scumming up the thread and begging to get lynched

yup that sounds like something i'd do

[Desperado]

So did scum-desp stop my lynch to get a massclaim so he can do whatever he can do with the orb better? And that there's no in-game event for the orb being assembled?

Yes, desp, but the argument is that scum wouldn't start with two fragments.

Why not?

[Staeg]

That makes very little sense from a thematic and design point of view - that way scum would only need two extra orbs and there do not appear to be any disadvantages to holding onto them if you just keep it on the dl from the very beginning.

If the fragment locations were randomized, though...

[pirate mollie]

I thought about it a bit overnight, and I'm thinking I may actually prefer a Zito lynch today. I'm largely on the same page as camn wrt their notes. The more I think on it though, the more I think if we're going wrong somewhere though that Staeg is likely the town in that 2 person initial scumpool. It doesn't seem like a town role but on the other hand, I'm having a lot of trouble believing there's not more to Zito's role than "has a passive item they can pass on if they like". That along with the Time Manipulator thing; I actually may feel a bit better about lynching Zito first.

Only other slot I had some reservations on was camntsuki, actually, but their recent gamesolving attempts have looked solid to me at least and I'm fairly at ease with the slot atm.

VOTE: Zito

I understand the sentiment but I don't want staeg cutting off pt's.

[Desperado]

That makes very little sense from a thematic and design point of view

It makes even less design sense to conftown three people as soon as the first scum who started with an orb is dead.

[Staeg]

I'm not going to be doing any cutting, mollie. Do you or do you not believe that my ability has the stated limitation?

Desp, but they wouldn't be conftowned, since if we are in that reality, we're still having this discussion.

[Desperado]

Your argument is that scum would not start with two orbs.

Therefore, the other three people who started with orbs are confirmed town.

This would be Bad Modding and I do not believe it is a true thing.

[Staeg]

I'm currently leaning more in the direction of randomized fragments, but I don't think that's the common opinion around these parts

[Staeg]

But that's not even the point
This discussion is happening
That means that the other three people aren't confirmed town regardless of whether the setup actually included a hard-coded "3 town fragments 1 scum fragment" because noone would be told that

[pirate mollie]

desp stop arguing with scum! you are not gonna be able to convince scum to admit that they are scum. arguing with them just gives a foothold to start twisting the narrative to suit their needs in order to sow confusion. <------ that is literally scum's job.

I am good with a staeg lynch and I really think we need to start from there. if staeg flips scum then zito I guess.

@ then what else will you be doing with your awsum chord cutting power

and I am not sold on the limitations

if you are so desperate to save your skin at the expense of any1 else then why don't you start looking at zito

[Papa Zito]

Ya it makes the most sense that no one has died twice in a row, and I was doc protected twice in a row, but I'm the one lying here

are you fucking serious bro

You were roleblocked last night.

[Desperado]

oh right

and the n2 kill got time manipulated

and there's 100% definitely on orb stealer

i forgot

[drealmerz7]

this is utterly painful

[Staeg]

if you are so desperate to save your skin at the expense of any1 else then why don't you start looking at zito

I'm not tho. I'm currently waiting for kagami to come back to answer the incredible confusion I had with her last post and/or for some 3 hours to pass so I can get to the stable computer access to do the promised thingdoing. After that I'm pretty sure we can lynch me if you're still up for it.

There's allegedly really compelling reasons why kagami isn't scum tho. And everyone else except for me, zito and dreal. Of those two, sure, I'd vote zito.

[pirate mollie]

dreamz do you have a second part to your role?

[drealmerz7]

fucking hell seriously?

SERIOUSLY!?!???!?!

[drealmerz7]

just so you know that you have milked every bit of claim you can

NO

I am a simple roleblocker

I know it is SO HARD to understand, but, try this time

[Staeg]

@ then what else will you be doing with your awsum chord cutting power

nothing. I don't intend to use that part. Like, you know, I haven't used it all game. Not that I had many opportunities to do it, but I sure as hell wouldn't be cutting up any quicktopics that were already announced in-thread.