Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Infinity 324]

Walk me through this. Reading anything with people not completely caught up is a pain in the ass and I want to say Aeroslot is scum (from earlier, helps explain why no counterwagons early) but unless you're referring to generic waffling mastin!read then I'm blind to the issue.

It's that his paranoia isn't genuine. Of course not all of his reads are just going to be determined by what other people think, and it doesn't make much sense for town with no particular reasons to scumread someone to get paranoid just because other people think that person is scum. Especially since it's only a couple people who think mastin is scum. I think he's setting up for the possible opportunity to lynch a strong town player because he can't resist it.

[Infinity 324]

I don't know if there's credence to that statement before the guilty result comes out.

So Pine has a role where he joins the crew when he wasn't invited. Like why would he not instantly become a leading hotbed of activity?

Yeah, the role sounds bad.

You're saying you think Pine and mastina would have planned the whole thing out from the time she was "scum-reading" him?

It's a hard pill for me to swallow.

Then spit that pill the fuck out and put it down the drain.

[PeregrineV]

I feel that mastina's defense against his concerns (re: the timeline of game events, and the motivations behind Pine and mastina's actions) was legitimate.

I think Mastina's timeline jazz is just fucking strongly worded bullshit but if you actually read it then it makes no sense. For all intents and purposes we'll assume Mastina is scum in this post. Like Pine had a role that publicly outs his action. Both him and Mastina would know this. Her main argument here is that scum wouldn't know who was getting into the crew, however, this totally ignores that Heartless

DID

state who she wanted in the crew. Why does she gloss over that? Also, from what I understand, Pine joined late so its possible that scum used their action once it was confirmed there was no scum in the crew.

So explain to me why I should just accept that Mastina is town and their history let her scum read Pine. When A.) it makes sense to bus a player that will eventually go down. B.) She was strong arming said lynch with little to no reason. Why couldn't she have just said "oh this post and this post and this post gives me bad vibes." As long winded as she is she could have done so and I don't think she ever did wich I think is sketchy as fuck.

The only problem I have with your logic is when you say Pine "will eventually go down." I don't know if there's credence to that statement before the guilty result comes out.

As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.

Pine & Mastin interaction was zero. And most of the "Pine" was the other hydra head.
Mastina did not "sort" PineTornics, she already knew he was scum.
And he didn't fight it, no matter how often she repeated it over and over again, because no way did they want a 1v1 with each other.

[Nero Cain]

(this, by the way, is why I didn't vote you for rogue leader d1)

how is this any different other than you calling me town based off meta? You're disagreeing with me b/c you think your sig is correct and in most cases its is but thats only b/c there are more town players in any given game. I mean you wankers wasted a valuable vig shot on a shitty Kling slot so don't you dare talk to me about competence.

[Infinity 324]

Pine & Mastin interaction was zero. And most of the "Pine" was the other hydra head.
Mastina did not "sort" PineTornics, she already knew he was scum.
And he didn't fight it, no matter how often she repeated it over and over again, because no way did they want a 1v1 with each other.

Mastin was lazy/busy, pine was avoiding her. I think that explains it

[Nero Cain]

Then spit that pill the fuck out and put it down the drain.

Why is it impossible for Mastina to bus Pine?

[Nero Cain]

You're saying you think Pine and mastina would have planned the whole thing out from the time she was "scum-reading" him?

It's a hard pill for me to swallow.

Why is that unbelievable?

[PeregrineV]

Gin mentioned this once without a push and that's it, there's no reason why that couldn't be shade on a buddy.

Why bother when he could just ignore his buddy. Nobody gives credit for shade.

That made me look at who was chasing AJ at the time, because a little bit of shading could help the cause of a scumbuddy.

[PeregrineV]

Given that I think cakez is most likely town atm, this is not very convincing. I'm not sure about the context, but I think it's definitely plausible that scum would suggest their buddy as a possible wagon.

Why is Cake a townread?

[Infinity 324]

(this, by the way, is why I didn't vote you for rogue leader d1)

how is this any different other than you calling me town based off meta? You're disagreeing with me b/c you think your sig is correct and in most cases its is but thats only b/c there are more town players in any given game. I mean you wankers wasted a valuable vig shot on a shitty Kling slot so don't you dare talk to me about competence.

My point is, at least I'm willing to admit I could be wrong. You suspecting me solely for disagreeing with your scumreads when you don't know those scumreads are correct is frankly just not good play.

[PeregrineV]

Mastin is town imo, also I could definitely see those interactions being distancing.

Mastin is scum.

For fun, ISO Pine and yourself. See how he treats you.
Then ISO Aero and Pine. See how he treats Aero.

Get back to me with thoughts.

[PeregrineV]

As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.

This is so scum

He thinks Mastin is town too.

[ɀefiend]

Walk me through this. Reading anything with people not completely caught up is a pain in the ass and I want to say Aeroslot is scum (from earlier, helps explain why no counterwagons early) but unless you're referring to generic waffling mastin!read then I'm blind to the issue.

It's that his paranoia isn't genuine. Of course not all of his reads are just going to be determined by what other people think, and it doesn't make much sense for town with no particular reasons to scumread someone to get paranoid just because other people think that person is scum. Especially since it's only a couple people who think mastin is scum. I think he's setting up for the possible opportunity to lynch a strong town player because he can't resist it.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I read the thread and gave my initial read on mastina. Since then, two people with more tenure have engaged me and I'm trying to walk through their perspective with them. Where did I ever say my read on mastina is now scum or I would consider lynching them?? I said that my position on town-reading mastina based on tone/unlikely to bus Pine was flexible with the proper input.

At this point your are being glaringly dense or scum grasping for straws. There is no way a town mindset concocts some sort of interpretation where my read of mastina flips 180 because of a brief conversation with two players.

[Infinity 324]

Gin mentioned this once without a push and that's it, there's no reason why that couldn't be shade on a buddy.

Why bother when he could just ignore his buddy.

Because it's easiest to find scummy things from people you know are scum, and that makes it look like you're scumhunting. Also it might stand out if you just ignore someone.

Given that I think cakez is most likely town atm, this is not very convincing. I'm not sure about the context, but I think it's definitely plausible that scum would suggest their buddy as a possible wagon.

Why is Cake a townread?

Because his wagon grew quickly, died slowly, and was not CW'ed for forever and a day. Plus his thoughts were all over the place and seemed to be organic. (need to iso for specifics and verification on that second part)

[Nero Cain]

FTR I do have a town read on you Infinity but why should I not consider you a possibly buddy when Titus flips scum?

[Infinity 324]

Walk me through this. Reading anything with people not completely caught up is a pain in the ass and I want to say Aeroslot is scum (from earlier, helps explain why no counterwagons early) but unless you're referring to generic waffling mastin!read then I'm blind to the issue.

It's that his paranoia isn't genuine. Of course not all of his reads are just going to be determined by what other people think, and it doesn't make much sense for town with no particular reasons to scumread someone to get paranoid just because other people think that person is scum. Especially since it's only a couple people who think mastin is scum. I think he's setting up for the possible opportunity to lynch a strong town player because he can't resist it.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I read the thread and gave my initial read on mastina. Since then, two people with more tenure have engaged me and I'm trying to walk through their perspective with them. Where did I ever say my read on mastina is now scum or I would consider lynching them?? I said that my position on town-reading mastina based on tone/unlikely to bus Pine was flexible with the proper input.

At this point your are being glaringly dense or scum grasping for straws. There is no way a town mindset concocts some sort of interpretation where my read of mastina flips 180 because of a brief conversation with two players.

I never said your mastin read flipped. I said you're setting up to flip it.

This reaction is beyond fake.

[Infinity 324]

FTR I do have a town read on you Infinity but why should I not consider you a possibly buddy when Titus flips scum?

Just because I'm townreading titus? That's so shallow though

[Nero Cain]

glaringly dense

this is my stance though his "Nero shouldn't suspect me for defending scum" is pretty stupid/scummy.

[PeregrineV]

Pine & Mastin interaction was zero. And most of the "Pine" was the other hydra head.
Mastina did not "sort" PineTornics, she already knew he was scum.
And he didn't fight it, no matter how often she repeated it over and over again, because no way did they want a 1v1 with each other.

Mastin was lazy/busy, pine was avoiding her. I think that explains it

Why would Pine avoid her when he could fight her to push a mislynch on her?

Lazy/Busy mastin with 4th most posts in the game?

Who else is Mastin treating the exact same way?

[ɀefiend]

with absolutely zero reasoning.

That post was a bunch of empty analysis and busy questions

The question directed at cakez also feels quite fake

If you want me to elaborate say so (I'll probably do so tomorrow anyway). But don't say stuff that's not true

Vague statements like yours do not amount to reasoning. They are nothing more than shade.

And now you have completely manufactured a story to label me suspicious when none of the elements of that story existed in my catch-up post.

[Nero Cain]

FTR I do have a town read on you Infinity but why should I not consider you a possibly buddy when Titus flips scum?

Just because I'm townreading titus? That's so shallow though

So if I am hard town reading AJ and he were to flip scum you'd have no doubt in your mind that I couldn't be a scumbuddy?

[Nero Cain]

FTR I do have a town read on you Infinity but why should I not consider you a possibly buddy when Titus flips scum?

Just because I'm townreading titus? That's so shallow though

So if I am hard town reading AJ and he were to flip scum you'd have no doubt in your mind that I couldn't be a scumbuddy?

[PeregrineV]

You're saying you think Pine and mastina would have planned the whole thing out from the time she was "scum-reading" him?

It's a hard pill for me to swallow.

Why is that unbelievable?

I think it annoyed the shit out of Pine, but Gin didn't care, he just knew not to fuck with the plan.

Pine has like 3 excuses why it was OK for Mastin to scumread them.

[Infinity 324]

Nero, it's

people you think are scum

. Not scum. That was the entire point of my argument.

[Infinity 324]

So if I am hard town reading AJ and he were to flip scum you'd have no doubt in your mind that I couldn't be a scumbuddy?

It wouldn't make it any more likely. Scum don't tend to hard tr their partners that often ime