Oh, really?
Let's dance.
Because damn fucking straight I knew Pine was scum.
But damn fucking straight they fought back.
I replaced in at
510.
The first post I read was
441. The second post I read?
442, a Pine post. I said scum.
For a similar demonstration of this, I can point you to this:
Subject: LicketyQuickety's Mini Normal - 1847Pine wrote:Ugh, this game.
Moving on. I'm inclined to look at the latter part of Josh's wagon to try and identify opportunistic scum smelling blood in the water and going for the kill. Looking at the votes, that suggests to me {Drealmerz, ThinkBig, and LUV}, the 4th, 5th, and 6th votes on him, respectively. The merit of this approach is immediately evident, as Drealmerz scummed right onto the wagon. Regrettably, I spotted that a little too late D1 to save Josh. Fortunately, Vig/SK saw it too and we don't have to spend a lynch on him. That leaves me to look at ThinkBig and LUV. Of the two, LUV seems to not really grok what's going on in this game, and it comes off as a bit unfeigned. I'm inclined to think the sheep onto the Josh wagon was a genuine sheep off of a well-presented (albeit incorrect) case.
That leaves ThinkBig. Drealmerz and TB both went for Josh in rapid succession, elevating that wagon from an early exploration and pressure to L-2. It's hardly a wonder that newbieTown panicked, felt ostracized, and suicided. Taken as a whole, TB's behavior strikes me as opportunistic, as does his daystart congratulating the Vig. He's a bit new too, so it's hardly inconceivable that he just wouldn't know that that sort of thing is a common overcompensating behavior of disappointed scum, on par with betting too big on a bluff in order to cover the fact that you've got nothing. Attack on Flubber in 210 fits with this theory, as it serves to suppress or discredit new perspectives before they appear.
Vote ThinkBig
I'd have to switch accounts to prove it, because I don't think LicketyQuickety released the mod PT in which I stated this, but immediately after that post, I came in and said, "Pine's scum." From that ONE post alone, I read Pine as scum.
The similarity between Pine's 442 this game, and the above post, were uncanny. Because no fucking shit, Pine was scum in both games. So no fucking shit, I'm going to read him the same way for making the same fucking post.
This, I made abundantly clear in
512, my first post in the game.
515, I was finishing my read from page 18 to the current gamestate, before going back.
516, while not mentioning Pine, marked my readthrough.
517, Gin head, questions my accuracy/competency: mudslinging onto my slot. Trying to slow me down. Trying to put me down. Lessen the importance of my reads.
520, I point out Pine's
153 as damning evidence Pine is scum.
523, I tell Desperado to go back onto Pine.
528, I engage with Gin by using my usual strategy--by refusing to actually engage him.
529, Pine is my largest scumread.
530, Gin tries to get an answer from me in spite of my prior refusal. In said post, he continues to discredit me by saying I was putting it in at "surface level". When my town/scum callouts are anything but. It's a science, not an art.
532, he asks for a real answer.
533, I continue to intentionally not give him that info.
534, I give a semi-serious, semi-joke response, still not fully addressing them.
536, Gin throws an insult at me.
537, Gin continues to throw my competency into question.
540, empty question by Gin about me addressed to SirCakez. (Which, by the way, is one reason why SirCakez is scum.)
562, Pine goes "mastina is misreading me", and he throws shit on me for it, pretending I'm worse at reading him than I am.
575, I continue to deliberately not answer Gin's question.
577, I state my strong preference for lynching Pine, because he was scum and a stronger scumread and also the larger scum threat. (SirCakez we can lynch any day. Pine, you cannot.)
584, I call Pine scum, in part because he was townreading me: a Pine who is actually town is just as shitty at reading me as he PRETENDS that I am at reading him. Case and point?
606, where AGAIN, Pine insists that I cannot read him worth a damn, something he KNOWS to be false but was insisting on shoving down the town's throat anyway.
628 was bullshit and I called him out for it at the time: yes we have the game experience he mentions, but no he doesn't have the accuracy reading me whereas YES I do have the accuracy in reading him.
630, I make it clear the reason I'm voting Pine is that I'm making sure he doesn't escape: I wanted him as the DAY ONE LYNCH.
634, I continue to tell Infinity, "Dude, Pine's not town. He's scum".
636, I say the problem with Pine can be summed up as: they haven't once said anything good. Can you argue with that fact? Especially using posts prior to 636? What had they posted which was good? Because if nothing, my point I raised there was A REALLY FUCKING STRONG ONE.
637, I call Pine out on his bullshit buddying to me.
650, I again tell Infinity that Pine is capable of playing this way as scum.
652, I call Gin's
162 as utterly lacking original thought, and being uncharacteristic of what I know of Gin's towngame.
657, my stance on Pine is made clearer: he is my top priority for lynching. All other players secondary. (Sure enough, unless he had that guilty, he was probably escaping!)
658, I explain why I am pushing Pine.
The Gin head did posting, but I ignored it because nothing that was said there was really evidence to me of Gin being town. In this area, I said nothing about them being scum in my iso, so no shit they're not going to respond to me during that time.
916, I reaffirm that my ability to read Pine is not as shitty as Pine says it is.
923, my tone there should've made it clear I absolutely was aiming for a Pine lynch D1.
925, a restatement of the scumteam as I saw it then.
931, where I basically assume Pine is scum for the VCA.
949, refined readslist, where Pine remains firmly at the bottom and I explain my reads in more detail.
954, while I explain my Molla and SirCakez stances, I'm still focused on Pine first and foremost.
1043, I clarify my Pine stance even further.
1044, more of the same.
This is the next period where Gin posted. Gin tried to buddy up to Nacho and me. There was good reason he chose us in
1104. And yes, he wanted me there too. He didn't mention me by name, but while YOU lack the context, I happen to KNOW he wanted me there. (Sadly, the only player who would be able to confirm this is SirCakez and he's scum, so.)
This is why I said in
1113 I wouldn't be available.
Gin might not have been addressing me, but Gin wasn't addressing most of the players in the game. In fact, really any of them. And again, at the time Gin was active, my attention was elsewhere so I wasn't really pointing things out about him when he was around.
Gin posted up a storm, but I don't post again until
1284. Gin's posting is done a lot in "real time". That is, he'll post about things as they are happening. But he won't go post about past events so much. So he wouldn't have had any reason TO interact with me, because I wasn't fucking around at the time.
1306, I say that Pine is still my preferred lynch and point out it's viable.
1308, further clarification of my stance.
1312, I try to get Nero to lynch Pine.
1319, I call the whole Pine wagon town. (And would you look at that? It was! Gee, I wonder why?)
1336, more clarification on exactly why my vote was on Pine.
Thus the day ended.
1520, first post of mine D2, I voted Pine.
1522, I insist Pine's usage of the power was a scumclaim. Clear note?
Infinity was townreading Gin
. I told him that was a mistake. I told him that Gin, as scum, could town it up behind closed doors.
Gin was getting away with it
. I said not to let that shit go.
1558,
1561,
1562,
1563,
1564, Gin all tries to discredit me on the above, insisting it to not be true.
1618, I further describe my Pine scumread.
1619, I point out Gin's "she lied! But I don't get why..." as cognitive dissonance and evidence he was scum.
1624, I posit wagon theory for why Pine is scum, among others.
1630, focus on why the Nacho kill came from Pine.
1644 was basically "Discredit mastina: the post", as EVERYTHING in there was focused on dismantling what I said. Gin suddenly also has an OMGUSy scumread on me.
1663, I explain that Pine as scum would play the wifom game and use a power meant to be used.
1665, I call Gin out on his bullshit and lay out exactly why Gin was scum.
1667, Gin made an accusation against me.
1668 I lay out Pine's mindset as a player, and why this was a scumteam led by him.
1669, more on wagon theory.
1670, I ask Infinity to vote for Pine.
1674, I counter more of Gin's bullshit towards me, and turn it around for why Pine was scum.
1676, more wagon theory, for why Pine is scum.
1678, I flip out at Infinity for not going along with me on Pine.
1679, I make in more detail an explanation for why Pine's kill pattern is what it is.
1680, I basically am pointing out every new post and why it's a sign of Pine being scum.
That's the summary of the Pine-mastina interactions pre-guilty.
That's ANYTHING but "nothing".
Literally over half of my posts were devoted to Pine.
Literally a third of Pine's posting was devoted to me.
