And just repeating that I'm wrong over and over again doesn't make yourself correct either.In post 973, MagnaofIllusion wrote: ...Yawn … I mean just repeating insults over and over doesn’t make them true. Appeal to Repitition is a logical fallacy scum use for a reason but it is easy to identify.In post 968, Ultimate Despair wrote:Your post was nonsense, I acknowledged it as such. I also justified why I saw it that way. Do you think just handwaving it away as "just throwing insults" helps you? It doesn't...
Except that...But again – there really wasn’t Towm motivation. Or more correctly Town motivation that makes a lick of sense. Having’s points were not by any means off the wall. Supposed Town you should have no reason to say “Hey that was a stupid hammer must be scum motivated” since Town you should not know Moz was flipping Town. Given all you’ve said about how you were Town who Derp-hammered Day 1 there are realms of possibility where Town Hans derp hammers Moz scum there. Yet you didn’t given that a second thought and immediately went on the attack.In post 968, Ultimate Despair wrote:Actually I was pointing out that scum-reading me for it was dumb. "The town motivation is obvious" means that there very obviously was potentially town motivation. Maybe I did do it for the WIFOM as scum. Maybe there was some other benefit that hasn't been discussed or isn't obvious. You're stretching here, especially since LITERALLY IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH (that you chose to cut off for whatever reason) I was making the point that fitz's argument was dumb, NOT the point that it made me obvtown.
In post 836, Ultimate Despair wrote:In post 825, karnos wrote:
Nahdia_Superfan replaces wgeurts.
Deadline has been extended.
(expired on 2017-02-08 09:00:01) until deadline.
In post 830, Superhans wrote:VOTE: Moz
K switching to Moz, agree that her reads seem fake, and Rev doesn't seem likely today.In post 834, Superhans wrote:Moz is on L1 btw.Given that these were all on the same page, can you explain how you failed to realize that your vote was hammer?In post 835, Superhans wrote:K nm she is L0
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You don't need a flip to look at that and think it's sketchy and want to push on it.In post 838, Ultimate Despair wrote:Especially given that a hammer screwup had already happened this game, and had been discussed?
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Is a QUESTION, and an entirely appropriate question to ask in the wake of a derp hammer (FWIW, a question like that asked to Junko after the day 1 hammer would ALSO have been appropriate, and I fail to see why questioning Hans on this is somehow hypocritical of me).can you explain how you failed to realize that your vote was hammer
"Explain how you missed this seemigly super obvious fact" is something that, to anyone paying attention, should have been an OBVIOUS question to ask. That's not a "well gee you're obvscum" or "you couldn't possibly have had town motivation there" that's a demand for an explanation.
And as I just explained above, it's a perfectly reasonable thing to question regardless of flip. He represented a derp that is not particularly reasonable to have had. Maybe it was an intentional townslip attempt. Maybe he wanted to get in a hammer while the getting was good. Maybe it was an actual derp. Getting an answer on his process quickly would have been helpful. Waiting for a flip in order to do anything useful would not have been helpful.And now you are back-tracking. As I just said above – again you really didn’t have any reason to question the hammer before the flip as Town. Post flip? At least then you can logically scum-hunt knowing it was a hammer on Town.In post 968, Ultimate Despair wrote:I called the HAMMER into question. Did you see me give a "oh no moz was town oh woe is me" spiel? Did you see anything OTHER THAN my calling the hammer into question there? If so please demonstrate.
Or please demonstrate how a twilight questioning of the hammerer is only useful given a town flip. If Moz flipped scum, would questioning that hammer somehow be meaningless?
You're representing the idea that somehow ONLY given a townflip was that questioning reasonable or useful, and that's simply not true.
Repeating that my questioning is only valid given a town flip, or that said questioning necessarily presumes a town flip, is not logic that through repetition becomes true. Sorry for you on that.Nope. Your stance is predicated on a flip Town you should not have known. No way around that. Again repeating that my logic is bad doesn’t make it so. Sorry for you on that.In post 968, Ultimate Despair wrote:How? You SAY it's suspect but your reasons are bogus. It looked like a potential scum-hammer (whether or not it was on a buddy), so I went after it. I don't need to wait for the mod to tell me the flip to be useful.
Town!UD thinks (NOT knows) that it's a bad hammer just by looking at it because no shit it looks like a bad hammer. It's a sketchy looking hammer just on the surface of it, and I don't need karnos to tell me moz's flip in order to realize that it's a sketchy looking hammer or act on my knowledge that it's a sketchy looking hammer.Nope. Your thought process that Hans was scummy before hypo-Town you could know it was a bad hammer combined with the fact that you refuse to acknowledge his “crime” is exactly the same as yours but his isn’t likely to come from Town while yours totally did means you are just playing “Nah nah nah nah nah your are stupid” games at this point.In post 968, Ultimate Despair wrote:That's pretty much bullshit though. I QUESTION his hammer under the assumption that it is UNLIKELY that he as town made that mistake given that it already happened, AND that there was another vote on Moz (and a sketchy looking vote at that) immediately before his vote. Please explain where I imply, much less state, that it is somehow an impossible town process. The paragraph that you cite below is COMPLETELY consistent with the reasoning as I explain it. No assumption that it is impossible as town exists.
Well at least you've gotten one piece of accurate info from the exchange.The one good thing about this exchange is that I probably can rule out you and Hans as being partners. So that’s helpful.