Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

TOWN-
Heartless
BBmolla
NULL-Nero Cain, TheWayItEnds, SirCakez,
Infinity 324
ɀefiend, mastina
Aj the Epic, PeregrineV
Titus
SCUM-

EDIT:

TOWN-
Heartless
BBmolla
Nero Cain
NULL- TheWayItEnds, SirCakez,
Infinity 324, mastina
ɀefiend, PeregrineV
Aj the Epic,
Titus
SCUM

And how is Mastina so high up the lisT?

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 3.10

Titus [1] Drunken Piper
BBmolla [1] Mastina,
TheWayItEnds [1] Nero Cain
SirCakez [3] PeregrineV, defined, Titus
zefiend [5] Heartless, Aj the Epic, SirCakez, Infinity 324, BBMolla


Not Voting - [1] TheWayItEnds,

With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 To Lynch.

Rogue Leader Vote:

Infinity 324 (1) Aj The Epic
Drunken Piper (4) Sircakez, PeregrineV, Titus, Nero Cain

Mod Notes - May the flavor be with you.
Titus is V/LA till Monday Feb 6th
Zefiend V/LA till Tuesday Feb 7th

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2017-02-13 05:26:20)!

[Infinity 324]

@infinity- that was some pretty bad backtracking....

...I reconsidered my reads. That's it

[Infinity 324]

Reads list pre-thinkover

Piper
Nero
Heartless
...

Post-thinkover

Nero
Heartless
Piper
...

What is there not to get

[PeregrineV]

Reads list pre-thinkover

Piper
Nero
Heartless
...

Post-thinkover

Nero
Heartless
Piper
...

What is there not to get

Well, you made it sound like Drunken bussed Pine.

Now you are saying that you thought over the relative towniness of each player, so much that Nero would now make a better Rogue Leader because he is now more towny than Piper?

[Infinity 324]

Not sure about nero, but heartless yes.

I don't see where I said that I thought piper was scum 0_0

[Infinity 324]

I mean nero's townier but I'm not sure if he would make a better rogue leader. Luckily I don't have to think about it.

[Nero Cain]

other than the fact that I'd kill Titus if the crew gets another vig shot what is your hesitation about? Like I was pushing Cakez and Mastin d1 and you said they were trash reads but you aren't town reading either of them right now. So what are you just upset that I called you out on you not wanting to put the maximum of 4 players in the hood n1 and you wanting to put a "scummy" player in?

[Aj The Epic]

Is there any benefit to carrying on the day? Imo this feels like classical scum v town wagons and there's no new useful information or analysis coming through right now.

[SirCakez]

oh hey cakez, while you're here

why are you scumreading bbmolla?

It's mostly PoE and for lack of content, which is why it's my weakest scumread.

Is there any benefit to carrying on the day? Imo this feels like classical scum v town wagons and there's no new useful information or analysis coming through right now.

If you can somehow pull the votes to finish off the wagon out of nowhere then sure.

[Heartless]

It's mostly PoE and for lack of content, which is why it's my weakest scumread.

why is twie town to you?

[SirCakez]

I have him as null but yeah I guess he could go as scum for the same reasons as molla.

[mastina]

The bad news is, I did indeed lose power last night.
The good news is, it was back by morning.
I don't think there's danger in losing it again, so I'm here. This might take me a while. Kinda have to...get back in the 'mood' for this game. (It's...hard to explain. Short answer, I have bipolar disorder, makes things easy for me to fall out of synch with a game and kinda become a little apathetic. Long answer, too long for this post, but basically I sometimes have a passion, a drive, a very strong energy where I am confident, the euphoric high; the contrast is that sometimes I get detached, that in spite of me KNOWING I need to pay attention to a game I neglect it anyway, make excuses for not being there, and put it off for as long as humanly possible. It's a bad habit which I know I have and try to break it when I see it coming, and that's what I'm doing now.)

[mastina]

(To explain what that means in more detail: I'm deliberately diverting attention to other tasks. Leaving the thread to check PTs. Logging out and into another account to check PMs and/or PTs. Checking the speakeasy for any new posts of interest. Checking other areas of the site for new content. Mish-mash, even though I don't even play there. MD. Site Ideas. News. Help!, even though I have nothing in there I'd need. It's all an avoidance mechanism. I'm deliberately avoiding tackling this game because part of me doesn't want to. This is something people who know me well have seen before. I've been lynched for it many times. I've flaked from hydras for this very reason. Something made me, in those times, just...not want to be there. So I wasn't there. I wasn't really intending on explaining this, but then I went and actually DID those distractions, realized I was doing them, and forced myself to type this. This, not really something for others to read. Everyone who matters pretty much knows this to be true of me already. They understand it's part of who I am--not a part they particularly like, mind you, but a part that they know exist and are willing to accept anyway as one of my myriad of flaws.

No, this is being typed for ME, because by saying shit like this, I'm effectively making a contract of sorts, a promise. I am reminding myself of these things, and telling myself to overcome them.)

[mastina]

I once played in a mini normal with a full town doctor and a full town bodyguard. That was a long time ago, but still. More recently, I played in one with 2 night 2 doctors, all the PRs were night 2 in that game but still. I've played in one a JK and a 1-shot BP. All

mini normals

. My point is that it's 100% possible to have a jk and a 1-shot rolestop in a large theme.

And again: what kind of scum power existed to counter those?
The night-2 PR game doesn't count because all PRs that game were night 2 (and it was arguably not a Normal game for that reason alone but I digress). I'm talking about the JK/BP/BG/Doctor combos.

Did they have a form of strongman?
Or a form of roleblocker?

Because I am a NRG member. I'm pretty sure you're mentioning some games I was a fucking reviewer on. And while the scum don't need an answer to every possible protection...they do need an answer to strong town power roles like doctor and jailkeeper.

The JOAT with the rolestop, with the town jailkeeper, simply makes more sense as a scum role.

[mastina]

if you convince me molla is scum I will vote there. Good enough?

It

would

be...if your name was Heartless.

[mastina]

I am a fucking jack of all trades.

If you think that:
-Town 2x vigilante
-Whatever the rogue crew has (including at least one kill ability as per Klingoncelt's death and their word)
-Jailkeeper
-JOAT (tracker, the Pine guilty power, some third power which fitting the other two would presumably be investigative)
-JOAT (redirector, deflector, rolestop)
...Plus anything else we have unclaimed (in addition to all the VT abilities, which aren't exactly weak!)...
...Is all town?

I don't know what to tell you.

Because no. Just fucking no. That's not a town composition which would ever make it past a competent review team, unless the scumteam's WEAKEST PR was Pine's 2x-Vanillaizer (which is a pretty damn strong role!).

BBMolla's role is a scum role. I guarantee it.

[mastina]

I really do not want to go back and ISO cakez, so maybe I'll ISO you or you can give more reasons why he's scum too? That would be awesome.

Actually, there's better cases than what I could make right now at this very moment on SirCakez. I'd have to go check to find them all, but one which comes to mind immediately is ironically enough, zefiend's 2615. His wording is different. His exact posts he quotes are sometimes different. But much of what he quotes there, and has to say there, is basically what I would be saying. I don't think it means there's only one scum in the group of zefiend/SirCakez (did zefiend even VOTE for SirCakez? I don't remember), but I do think that it's a valid case even with zefiend as a scumread of mine.

You're funny when you're tired

Only

when I'm tired?!?

Well shit.

I need to up my game then.

[SirCakez]

That's also a good point about Molla scum that I didn't realize

[Heartless]

they do need an answer to strong town power roles like doctor and jailkeeper.

i disagree with that

[Titus]

I once played in a mini normal with a full town doctor and a full town bodyguard. That was a long time ago, but still. More recently, I played in one with 2 night 2 doctors, all the PRs were night 2 in that game but still. I've played in one a JK and a 1-shot BP. All

mini normals

. My point is that it's 100% possible to have a jk and a 1-shot rolestop in a large theme.

And again: what kind of scum power existed to counter those?
The night-2 PR game doesn't count because all PRs that game were night 2 (and it was arguably not a Normal game for that reason alone but I digress). I'm talking about the JK/BP/BG/Doctor combos.

Did they have a form of strongman?
Or a form of roleblocker?

Because I am a NRG member. I'm pretty sure you're mentioning some games I was a fucking reviewer on. And while the scum don't need an answer to every possible protection...they do need an answer to strong town power roles like doctor and jailkeeper.

The JOAT with the rolestop, with the town jailkeeper, simply makes more sense as a scum role.

Why does this feel like you're whining about your scumteam being underpowered?

Why haven't you interacted at all with SirCakez? (According to my memory)

[Heartless]

i guess mastin probably doesn't think i'm a competent reviewer

[Nero Cain]

it took Mastin to point that out for you to think about that....meh.

[Heartless]

That's also a good point about Molla scum that I didn't realize

what point?

[Titus]

i guess mastin probably doesn't think i'm a competent reviewer

I feel like there's baggage here that I am missing subtext on. I did not see Mastina attacking your abilities as a reviewer but this whole review balance thing is hinky.

I have my own theories but I am not there yet.