STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Firebringer]

Damn I owe varsoon a pizza

[SirCakez]

1) The SC wagon. This was a bit of shitshow. We were prepared to step in and keep SC from being lynched, however his posting, for the most part, never really dissuaded anyone in and of itself. Even though we knew his loss would be a major blow to us, especially given that it would remove any uncertainty from the DGB/KC situation(even though somehow it didn't....), we couldn't risk throwing good money after bad, as it were, and risking our slots who were decently positioned.

Yeah I was utter garbage this game
Even though we ultimately lost, you should be proud of how far you got.

[Varsoon]

Damn I owe varsoon a pizza

Plz

[Titus]

RR, I think me triggering Beach and you not accounting for me winning as an IC really wrecked you up. At the time, we did not know who scum were, and I assumed we'd get that information at the end of Beach event. Instead what we got was Mastina/NC confirmed not group scum in a day or two (I still label Farside as evil 3p), and various piles which really helped narrow down pools of scum. You likely knew, or should have known, I was going to pop my IC. The actions surrounding not giving a townread innocent child power suggested scum picked Mastina.

I had suspected you and if Mastina hammerred wrong, I would have regretted letting you go on Day 2 to trigger your event. To me, that event was an albatross as it provided a mod confirmed check against group scum scenarios.

[Firebringer]

Damn I owe varsoon a pizza

Plz

Beautiful created game Varsoon.
Have no idea on what merits you could say it was balanced but it definitely was made with love for its source material

For all my bickering I did enjoy that. Thanks for modding

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, and mastina/shiro: sorry for leading you on about the end of the game.

Look at the setup, now that it's revealed.

We had DAMN good reason to expect there to be another anti-town role, and I didn't want us coming clean after you hammered to mess with the potential endgame of someone else.

[Errantparabola]

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I woke up today and read the rest of lylo and i swear to god my heart was pounding
so badly I wanted RR to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and despair
gj mastina

[Steven Quartz]

So, what does everyone think about my play?

Note: 'Everyone' disincludes Firebringer and his alts

[Cerberus v666]

Oh and to those few who may read our hydra pt:I handed off logging responsibilities to drixx back when I stopped having fun, and he hasn't done it in those intervening months. The last of our logs should be posted to the pt sometime in the next day, because I'll do it if he doesn't.

[Varsoon]

I've been going back and forth with Cerb on it, but:
Half of the scum team is or can easily be immune to kills, making them immune to bubbling.
Scum had access to unstoppable kills via their traitor and also via a few town roles that semi-publicly relay that info via Alliance topic rules.
Scum had access to several extra kills.
Stress meter (hopefully) was there to mitigate swing.
Actual town needed to be eliminated in this setup is really low, especially if bubbles/town-kills/lynches are ending up on town players, which they are most likely to do.

But, yeah, the way the Crystal Gems were interpreted and handled completely defied what I expected, going in:
I imagined them as a bubbling-every-night, making use of factional actions, playing their hand close to their chest, trusted by some town but not by others.
In this iteration, scum treated them as a 5p masonry, which turned into town treating them as a 5p masonry, and they made little use of their bubbling/factional events.

We could have played baseball!!

But, yeah, Setup design suffered, likely due to me going against my mod meta with:
A 3rd party that doesn't get auto-lynched into the ground,
A scum team that isn't overpowered via their own roles alone,
Town with roles that largely operate publicly/semi-public due to announced Alliance bonuses, opposed to mostly secret-acting CG roles.

Also, I can't find the lucha setup edits, though I know I saved them. Hum ho.

[Varsoon]

My next game will be DRASTICALLY different, setup-wise, from this one:
It's a 12 player secret alt/anonymous game with a semi-public role draft.
Because it's a secret alt/anonymous game, if you're interested in playing, PM me. DO NOT ask to play in this thread.
But yeah, here's the advert for that: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8789771
It should hit signup queue soon, since it's only two games down.

[Cerberus v666]

Varsoon, I tried to rally CG paranoia as soon as I discovered they had lied to conftown, but nobody cared.

If nobody cares about a faction with a hidden win con lying to conftown, then there were no circumstances under which they'd be paranoia about the gems in large enough numbers to actually lynch them.

[Titus]

1) The SC wagon. This was a bit of shitshow. We were prepared to step in and keep SC from being lynched, however his posting, for the most part, never really dissuaded anyone in and of itself. Even though we knew his loss would be a major blow to us, especially given that it would remove any uncertainty from the DGB/KC situation(even though somehow it didn't....), we couldn't risk throwing good money after bad, as it were, and risking our slots who were decently positioned.

Yeah I was utter garbage this game
Even though we ultimately lost, you should be proud of how far you got.

You were not shit. I had to zoom tunnel you and almost lost you. You caught Farside in your web and set up a huge distraction.

[Firebringer]

So, what does everyone think about my play?

Note: 'Everyone' disincludes Firebringer and his alts

Wasn't even going to say anything to you.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, I tried to rally CG paranoia as soon as I discovered they had lied to conftown, but nobody cared.

If nobody cares about a faction with a hidden win con lying to conftown, then there were no circumstances under which they'd be paranoia about the gems in large enough numbers to actually lynch them.

Yeah that really surprised me.
It's a damn shame, too, because I really wanted to push for more interesting third party setup here, but it just kinda iterated out as a 5-p masonry. :/

[McMenno]

Pedit: McMenno, don't. I will be EXTREMELY pissed if anyone else displays even the tiniest bit of arrogance in victory.

Seriously.

I haven't had fun in this game for like 2 months and Varsoon requested we not give up REPEATEDLY. We knew we had a miniscule chance of winning off purely mechanical things for months, and that was when we thought the gems only had limited bubbling.

I will not abide anyone thinking they can, joking or not, gloat in any way.

aren't we all

[Titus]

So, what does everyone think about my play?

Note: 'Everyone' disincludes Firebringer and his alts

Guessing this is Yume.

I think you dramatically improved in your assertiveness. You functioned well. Your job was to confirm Mastina and you stood well against an onslaught trying to get you to unconfirm Mastina (taking advantage of us needing to be sure).

Although I was sad at the time, it was an improvement for you to make up your own mind and stand firm on who should be aligned with whom.

I know you look up to me and that was hard. I am proud.

[McMenno]

anyway I was satisfied with my play this game. thanks for modding varsoon, it was fun to be part of the largest game in mafia scum dot net history

although I think the cluster event might've actually helped town by increasing the stress and removing me (a potential mislynch) from the game

also I'm hungry for pizza now :<

[Firebringer]

I was also very satisfied with mcmemester play here

[Almost50]

GG all.

@Mastina:

Good Reads and GOOD DETERMINATION.

@RR:

You guys are GREAT. I enjoyed your Scum play even more than I had enjoyed your Town play before.

@Creature:

Yeah, I'll be sure to change my profile soon enough!

@Shiro:

Your "gut" isn't any better than mine!

@Grapes:

You too! We should be competing for the wooden spoon trophy or something!!

@MoI:

Once again, SORRY for the outburst, but it REALLY peeved me that you skimmed and misread (and thus misrepresented) everything I said in our PT.

@Far:

Your play is scummy. End of.

@Yume:

I have yet to see you play a better game, despite having rusted Sky too much.

@Titus:

You're one of the few players who CAN tell the difference between my Town play and my Scum play.

@Varsoon:

You're A LEGEND!

[Titus]

Varsoon, I tried to rally CG paranoia as soon as I discovered they had lied to conftown, but nobody cared.

If nobody cares about a faction with a hidden win con lying to conftown, then there were no circumstances under which they'd be paranoia about the gems in large enough numbers to actually lynch them.

I think the gems should have been smaller and not stuck to flavor. That would help. The setup was balanced but I see his point.

The situation was what made the lie ok, not the actual lying to conftown. I lie to conftown rarely. It wasn't just they lied.

A mechanic where one gem is actually scum also would work. I was suspecting it, and that angle works better as you can point them all as confbiased and lying together.

[Firebringer]

One of the crystal gems should have been scum that would be a good twist and help with paranoia over them.
I agree with that Titus

[Varsoon]

Yeah, I really should've gone with Peridot as a plant in the CGs rather than a neutral that can align one way or the other.
Still, I like the idea for the CGs, and glad I got to run it.

[McMenno]

Spoiler: we haven't forgotten, almost

also this, yes

[Varsoon]

Though it would've been kind'a bastard to do so.
I could always have done something like
Peridot is a scum role, planted in the CGs, acts like a CG, loses the game if they're the last scum left, totalling out to a 7-scum team.