Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Titus]

titus is a pats hater?

you learn something new every day

Yeah, I don't like cheaters.

[Titus]

I am a fucking jack of all trades.

If you think that:
-Town 2x vigilante
-Whatever the rogue crew has (including at least one kill ability as per Klingoncelt's death and their word)
-Jailkeeper
-JOAT (tracker, the Pine guilty power, some third power which fitting the other two would presumably be investigative)
-JOAT (redirector, deflector, rolestop)
...Plus anything else we have unclaimed (in addition to all the VT abilities, which aren't exactly weak!)...
...Is all town?

this..this is the problem I have with
the amount of claimed town power, seems like a myth.

And we only figure out balance by lynching scum.

If Pine is a strongest, (a goon flip for instance) then scum are in the PRs most likely.

If Pine is a weak one, that's not a necessity. Based on my reads by play, I would say the PRs are true so scum buddy like no one's business.

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@Heartless, look at Nero scramble to avoid a Cakey wagon.

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So would you take a cakez wagon if I'd swing the vote?

Yeah, I would. That's where my vote is.

Nero's never going to vote Cakez. Cakez scumreads me. Nero's never voting anyone who scumreads me. He'll vote anyone who townreads me that isn't protected as obvtown. His reads are simplistic like that.

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no. I just want you dead.

First honest thing you've said in awhile.

My point is you want me lynched, so you're focused on one by one just picking off anyone who hasn't voted me that you can actually get away with voting.

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@SirCakez, I know catching scum you is a deflection. I was late to the party, but I am here now. You know and I know it's a matter of time before I catch you when your reads are static ala Steven Universe.

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Hey guys, I'm going to state the obvious with two days remaining.

If you're town

GET YOUR ASS IN HERE!

K thanks. I'm pretty sure Cakey is a scumfuck here given his wagons on Day 1 and Day 2, but we cannot let this go to a no lynch.

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Hi guys!
Anti and I finally got our shit together and had a real conversation about this game.

We are in agreement that Nero Cain, Drunken Piper, Infinity, and AJ are all likely town.
I'm not exactly sure if I can trust mastina. However, Antihero specifically he asked me to have faith in his mastina read so that's exactly what I'm going to do.
I am not affording him the same trust on the Titus read because I think he gives her too much benefit of the doubt and gives in to AtE rather easily. I haven't seen any reason to think she's town yet and her zefiend defense is mildly concerning to me.

Antihero holds fast to his BBMolla townread based on setup speculation and I know that's his forte so I'm trying not to second guess it too much. But I see some major red flags in Molla's play. The most recent:

sircakez the honest truth is I am beyond terrible at mafia now. I am the worst player I've ever seen.

the only fact I know is I'm town and I don't particularly think you are so your lynch is better than mine.

I don't know about anybody else, but if scum were scared enough of me to vanillaize me on Night 1 I would feel fucking fantastic. I would think someone vanillaized would be emboldened to push their reads even

more

but Molla's slinking around like a dog in a thunderstorm. I don't get it. The attitude doesn't make sense to me.

Antihero has a townread on TWIE, citing the one interaction with Pine in the Post 1565 region. He's enigmatic and null to me but Anti's instincts are good enough that I'll just go with that for now.

Peregrine troubles me. LUV was already a troublesome slot for me and PV himself has yet to post something cogent or convincingly town. In particular, his read on the Aero slot bothers me:

With aero, it's partly that he caught up and then disappeared, partly zefiend's catchup which I find very scummy, and partly trusting mastin.

He was replaced, so there is that.
I totally think Mastina is scum.
Aero's Pine interactions don't look like scum with scum. Aero should be neutral or hostile, not questioning or friendly. (1075-1076-1118-1119)

If you follow all the links provided, the interactions look pretty damn neutral to me. I suppose you could say the banter about mastina's RVS reads in 1118 and 1119 could be "friendly" if you tilt your head and look at it in just the right lighting, but it's a thready argument. There are other posts here and there that give me the heebie-jeebies but the zefiend defense is probably the most unsettling thing for me.

I'm tired so I'm stopping now. Zefiend and SirCakez tomorrow.

-TTH

To be honest, if the only reason he townreads me is AtE, he shouldn't. I cannot fake emotion, but that doesn't mean anything. It's my common gripe I have about "it's so genuine", so what. Scum can get frustrated too.

Just use a ship cop on me or something.

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Piper, the cakez/titus thing was that they've had scumreads on each other since early d1 and they didn't interact very much.

this isn't true btw. Titus was calling Cakez "bad town" while I was pushing Cakez.

Both not true. I waffled hard on Cakez. I settled on bad town I think but I was pretty unsure.

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Good point.
I would like to see her address my accusation of her.

I'd like to see an accusation that can be addressed. I don't smoke weed provided by "the fates", so...

Good point.

You've played with her and you didn't know that?

I forgot, I haven't played with her in a while.

@Titus

go on...

Well these spirits, they told me that Titus was trying too hard too early and that she was scum trying to build early towncred. I'm just following what they said.

Hope you get better soon Aero

Yeah, I don't smoke the weed your spirits do. Trying to hard is not scummy in any way shape or form.

If your spirits are not on weed, they are absolutely on scum.

How is trying too hard not scummy? What's the motivation for town to try overtly hard to look town?

There is no such thing as trying to hard. I'm always full tilt. You should know this by now. You also don't seem to be reassessing this claim in light of other conversations going on. I did quote and explain how I caught scum by post 30 before, and went too hard. I was town there. I only come with Full Tilt or IRL. Why are you repeating what is said?

VCA is junk. Drop its and sheep me, Kids.

If I'm alive Day 3+ with a scum lynch not based on a guilty and you're alive, we make a bet. My VCA versus your reading the thread. First one to be wrong sheeps the other.

I don't think you are really understanding my argument or I'm not explaining it well but in the grand scheme of thngs it doesn't matter. What does matter is that Cakez is a stormtrooper and should be ejected out of the nearest exhaust pipe.

Why is he scum instead of just annoying me by not listening to what I say?

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Like the first few posts just control F Cake

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Yeah, I am not reading Mastina's shit.

Nero, my reads were obviously garbage.

VLA until after Valentine's Day

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Nero, my reads were obviously garbage.

What was this responding to?

^yeah what she said. why is nero getting an admission when u threw that "i was right" stuff in MY face?

Two of my SRs flipped town, I need to reevaluate my third. I'd like to see just WHEN I went wrong and reset.

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Since when do you ever reset?

Unless the mod included only two scum in a large, I have to.

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Since when do you ever reset?

Unless the mod included only two scum in a large, I have to.

can you remind me who was your third scum read?

The guy who I am talking to.

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Like seriously Nero, how could you NOT know that?

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Like seriously Nero, how could you NOT know that?

So why aren't you sticking with your trash reads like usual and then just adding someone else?

Well fuck being nice to you too.

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Rather than just saying I am a shit player, why not tell me where I went wrong?

Otherwise, I will just put you as needs to die, impossible to sort.

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why not tell me where I went wrong?

you didn't policy lynch yourself d1.

Fuck you.

Heartless, you get my vote.

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Heartless, tell me where to vote. My reads were obviously shit and I need to redo. I was hoping to start by attempting to work with Nero but blech.

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Heartless, tell me where to vote. My reads were obviously shit and I need to redo.

Well then go ahead and redo.
In case you don't remember yesterday's post, I don't really trust you. Infinity's death doesn't reassure me at all. Now we're apparently the afterthought to crawling to Nero with your tail between your legs.
My vote is on Peregrine right now because his posting has creeped me out a few times and LUV was shady. I also think zefiend has a better-than-average chance of being scum here. Feel free to redo either of those reads.

I was hoping to start by attempting to work with Nero

Why would you do that?

Because I'm resigned that I sometimes cannot tell the difference between asshole and scum, and by working with him, I could sort him. I'm pretty certain you're town. You don't need to know I'm town to use my vote. You can just treat it like you're a double voter and let's see what comes out. I need something to jolt my reads and I'm not rereading all the insults Nero has thrown at me.

@Nero, What post? If it contains a dig at me, I'm not answering.

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but lets say you were and then when I got @ you you had decided to sheep Heartless. Heartless is voting PV so exactly why aren't you sheeping?

Because Heartless may not want two votes on PV. I want Heartless to direct me, not me trying to guess what he needs. I'm kinda shit at that.

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Heartles wants PV lynched...and a 2nd vote on PV isn't going to lynch them....even if Heartless wasn't ready to end the day like....I just...what the hell?

And that's literally 2 assumptions right there.
Maybe Heartless wants PV pressured. Maybe Heartless wants PV lynched. Maybe Heartless wants a fast day. Maybe he wants a long day.

Maybe Heartless wants me to do the macarena. I'm not guessing.

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I don't need another vote. I need to know if you're town or not.

My vote is on Peregrine right now because his posting has creeped me out a few times and LUV was shady. I also think zefiend has a better-than-average chance of being scum here. Feel free to redo either of those reads.

Do either of these tickle you?
If not, anybody else on the player list is fine.

I could literally do whatever. I read players by VCA and interactions and the hinky things they say. The former can't be done and the later has just got me terrible things.

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It's clear I need to be the one compromising here since I'm you know mathematically proven wrong.

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generally you vote who you think are scum. Why is that a bad assumption to make?

A 2nd vote on PV doesn't do anything and I'm not sure why you are pretending like it does anything.

And if I think my own reads are garbage should I randomly vote town as fuck people? Nah, don't think so. I reach out for help to fix them. So shut up and let me do that.

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ok why is PV town?

Not saying he is. I'm saying I need help on my reads. No amount of needling or prodding will get me to say something that I just don't know on.

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Maybe Heartless wants me to do the macarena.

So 90s and outdated.
I'm not sure what the kids do these days. That Gangnam style dance? Is anyone doing that still?

Open Condom Style (That's what I was hearing when it came on the radio and I was like wtf, how did this make the airwaves?)

I can't dance either. You're lucky if I don't run into you.

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ok why is PV town?

Not saying he is. I'm saying I need help on my reads. No amount of needling or prodding will get me to say something that I just don't know on.

You could reread and think of reasons why he might be town and then weigh those against the reasons he might be scum.

I don't reread for a reason. Rereads just reinforce my opinions I already have. I need to figure out what is wrong with my process. Right now, if I reread, all I'd get is Nero is blocking me at every turn.

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ok why is PV town?

Not saying he is. I'm saying I need help on my reads. No amount of needling or prodding will get me to say something that I just don't know on.

Well when you said you weren't going to randomly vote town and since we were talking about you voting PV it made it look like you had a town read on PV. What "help" are you expecting if you aren't just going to sheep?

Telling me what in my process went wrong. Where is the hole? Was someone buddying and I didn't see it? <--- I figured you'd have a field day with that, but instead you just crapped on me. So whatever. I'm working with Heartless now.

Other than that, I'm just sheeping until I can get something better.

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but you aren't sheeping :/ and I want to know why.

I am. I'm sheeping to the extent Heartless wants me to sheep, short of myself or vote the mod. I'm not going to do something they don't want because it makes ME feel better about doing something. Like this is pretty clear but you're still just spamming the thread about it making me repeat myself because the moment I don't you'll use that against me.

Try fucking reading. You aren't, which is why I want you dead.

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if you want me dead vote me. If you want to sheep Heartless vote PV.

Because I need to reread and not vote you out of anger or spite. I'm at my worst when pissed off. Best when calm and rational.

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I would not have to do that and just get stuck in the same position wasting my god damn time if I could get some help here but you seem hellbent on NOT LETTING THAT HAPPEN.

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Oh fuck this noise.

VOTE: Nero

I cannot even. Like if someone wants to help me great. Otherwise, I'm just going to vote park on Nero because I'm like literally lost.

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I cannot even have a basic fucking conversation without you cutting in and telling me that I'm bad or scum, so just go fly a kite.

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ok, how am I stopping you from shepping me om AJ?

You rejected me. So I'm not sheeping you.

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This conversation is done. I answered that 3 times. I have modding to do.

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How long have you had this anti-rereading attitude?

I don't read on replacing into a slot. Since that long. Years.

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I developed my VCA to rely less on emotional tells.

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Mod: Please replace me.

Nero, I think you're an excellent player, but I cannot deal with you right now, whatever our alignments are.

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I had an awesome scumteam here.

Town did relatively well given the skill of the scumteam.

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I had an awesome scumteam here.

Town did relatively well given the skill of the scumteam.

This personally felt like I played bad :/

Nooooo

You were good. You did things right. Sometimes you just gotta eat a lynch as scum.

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I had lots to say on balance and setup and how players played in this game but I'll get to that in a bit.
I was little disappointed in last day from everyone tbh.
TWIE didn't do bad but he had little to work with.

I had fun modding this but I definitely had a few regrets with the setup.
The Death Star never getting used was a big sad thing for me.

The general consensus amongst scum was town got more benefit from using the deathstar than we did.

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Waiting on zefiend and magnaofillusion.
If you replaced out, I don't count you as a vote for scum PT released.

Fair enough but I approve anyway.