Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 4.02

zefiend [1] Aj the Epic
PeregrineV [2] Heartless, Nero Cain
Aj the Epic [1] Drunken Piper
Nero Cain [1] Magnaofillusion
TheWayItEnds [2] Zefiend, BBmolla

Not Voting - [3] TheWayItEnds, PeregrineV, Mastina,

With 10 Alive, It Takes 6 To Lynch.

Rogue Leader Vote:

Drunken Piper (1) Nero Cain

Mod Notes - May the flavor be with you.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2017-02-28 00:26:20)!

[Heartless]

Yeah, so you can also explain this while you are at it.

Pine flipped between those two posts.

[Heartless]

That's also been a read Anti's talked me over to his side on.
But I guess you have to force "contradictions" where you can.

[TheWayItEnds]

im a little surprised PV confirmed that was his flavor tbh.

especially given the attitude of thats fake if no one takes credit for it that was expressed before he showed up.

His alternative would be to fake another character, one that might actually be in the game.

you mean in the event that hes town and that is in fact his actual flavor?

because every other situation are the ones im talking about.

[Heartless]

you mean in the event that hes town and that is in fact his actual flavor?

No.
If he's scum, Antoc Merrick would almost assuredly be his mod provided fake flavor.
Should he deny that he's Merrick, he would have to say he was (Character X) instead. That leads to the possibility of real (Character X) counterclaiming if (Character X) is in the game.

My point is you shouldn't be surprised he didn't disavow Merrick.

[TheWayItEnds]

or use any of his teammates fake claims?

[TheWayItEnds]

which seems easier than making up new ones?

[Heartless]

That only passes the problem along to the teammate.

[TheWayItEnds]

okay but the alternative is to tie yourself to a really sketchy looking announcement.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So came back to the thread to start re-reads and saw that a bunch of posting has occurred … so staying in the present for now.

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Does anyone with flavor knowledge know anything about the anonymous message?

I think those types of things are always WIFOM involved. It could be scum framing Pere. Or even if Pere is scum, why choose to inno yourself instead of guilty a non-clear?

Though I will say that every other message I've seen like that has been "mod-confirmed", so this one is rather suspicious. I wanna hear from Pere before I jump to any conclusions.

Man, nobody wanted to help me pressure TWIE. Why not? I don't like having a hole in my reads. That slot is basically a coin flip.

VOTE: Zefiend
I don’t think any elaboration is really necessary.

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No. But it's not my entire PM, since nothing below picture.

So someone chose to post your Role in the game for everyone to see … how do you think they came across those salient details?

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2. Why not vote me since you’ve been calling my slot scum pretty much all of today?

I can't vote all my scumreads at the same time. Why should I have voted you over Mastina?

Ummm … interested attempt to twist the question away from yourself.

1. You haven’t done really anything to address Mastin today.
2. You’ve spent all day jousting with Titus and calling her scum.
3. Mastin had no wagon at the point you voted Mastin.

Again – why focus so much in pointing out over and over why Titus was scum and then the second that she replaces out vote the scum-read you really have said nothing about today? I mean … if in prior days you spent lots of time pointing out scum posts by Mastin it would make sense. But in that case I’d have expected you to say “Read prior days” instead of trying to turn the question back on me.

Secondly why did you dodge the following?

1. You aren’t a newb … anything labelled “Anonymous Message” is not mod confirmation … your jump to clear him is Road to Rome level bad play and I’m not sure I should buy it coming from you.

[Heartless]

okay but the alternative is to tie yourself to a really sketchy looking announcement.

He's choosing between drowning and dragging his buddy down. Of course both choices are bad: the gambit failed.

[MagnaofIllusion]

or use any of his teammates fake claims?

which seems easier than making up new ones?

I very much doubt Peregrine-scum would do so. I can link you to the Walking Dead Mafia that Radja ran but the upshot of the story is that the nail in Peregrine’s lynch coffin was him mixing and matching a fake-claim that he hadn’t noticed his partner had used.

I think he’s a good enough player to have learned to not free-lance from that experience.

[Heartless]

okay but the alternative is to tie yourself to a really sketchy looking announcement.

He's choosing between drowning and dragging his buddy down. Of course both choices are bad: the gambit failed.

What you're proposing here is that Pere would be a complete scoundrel and leave a buddy pissing in the wind either having to take the Antoc claim or improvise. Is that it?

[TheWayItEnds]

okay but the alternative is to tie yourself to a really sketchy looking announcement.

He's choosing between drowning and dragging his buddy down. Of course both choices are bad: the gambit failed.

I mean wouldnt you normally push the problem down the line? Because of the chance that it doesnt resurface?

[Heartless]

For those of you who still think the anonymous messenger might be town, I'd like to point out that unless the anonymous messenger is mastina, they have declined to claim.

[Heartless]

okay but the alternative is to tie yourself to a really sketchy looking announcement.

He's choosing between drowning and dragging his buddy down. Of course both choices are bad: the gambit failed.

I mean wouldnt you normally push the problem down the line? Because of the chance that it doesnt resurface?

Not if it created a problem for someone else.

If you were PV's buddy and he took your safe claim after a botched gambit, would you have a problem with that?

[Nero Cain]

1. You haven’t done really anything to address Mastin today.

So? Why should I have stopped scum reading her?

2. You’ve spent all day jousting with Titus and calling her scum.

so? Titus was here in real time and Mastin is busy lurking. How can I argue with Mastin if she's not here

BUT

when Mastin was here we did argue back and forth.

3. Mastin had no wagon at the point you voted Mastin.

Neither did Titus. If your criteria for laying down a vote is "they must have a wagon on them" I don't understand why you think a vote on a wagonless Titus would be ok but a wagonless Mastin is a bad vote. Whats the difference?

Again – why focus so much in pointing out over and over why Titus was scum and then the second that she replaces out vote the scum-read you really have said nothing about today?

Titus was here in real time to argue with, Mastina wasn't. Also Zfiend was voting Mastin with me and dead town Infinity and I think Heartless is wary of them so I felt like there was a better hance in getting a Mastin wagon going than a Titus one.

It feels like you are trying to point out small things in an attempt to undermine me. Why don't you start telling me why my pushes are wrong?

[TheWayItEnds]

okay but the alternative is to tie yourself to a really sketchy looking announcement.

He's choosing between drowning and dragging his buddy down. Of course both choices are bad: the gambit failed.

I mean wouldnt you normally push the problem down the line? Because of the chance that it doesnt resurface?

Not if it created a problem for someone else.

If you were PV's buddy and he took your safe claim after a botched gambit, would you have a problem with that?

probably not?

espicially if i was the one with the messenger ability who fucked it up.

[TheWayItEnds]

i find that i flavor claim pretty infrequently anyway tbh.

[TheWayItEnds]

although i guess if you felt like you were going to ever need to claim your abilities and they were flavor related that would change.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Secondly why did you dodge the following?

1. You aren’t a newb … anything labelled “Anonymous Message” is not mod confirmation … your jump to clear him is Road to Rome level bad play and I’m not sure I should buy it coming from you.

[MagnaofIllusion]

so? Titus was here in real time and Mastin is busy lurking. How can I argue with Mastin if she's not here BUT when Mastin was here we did argue back and forth.

Why are you stuck only scum-hunting players who happen to be on the same time as you? That is an odd, odd response. Regardless who is active at a certain time if you see posts that have been made (and Mastin made a bunch at the start of the day I don’t recall seeing you address so far) and want to point out the scumminess you see.

Neither did Titus. If your criteria for laying down a vote is "they must have a wagon on them" I don't understand why you think a vote on a wagonless Titus would be ok but a wagonless Mastin is a bad vote. Whats the difference?

The conclusions you are drawing here are odd.

The point isn’t that there must be a wagon on someone to vote them or that one vote is inherently Ok / Not Ok.

The point is that you spent significant time and resources pushing Titus in thread, didn’t do the same on Mastin, and then drop a vote that doesn’t track to me. Your answer about “real time” doesn’t make sense and given you are dutifully avoiding discussing your reasoning on Pere I am looking for Town versus scum motivation. That should not be too hard to grasp.

[TheWayItEnds]

although i guess if you felt like you were going to ever need to claim your abilities and they were flavor related that would change.

id say we could have PV claim the name of his special ability but then i remembered that pines special ability was actually called stardust on a char that made no sense.

[Heartless]

although i guess if you felt like you were going to ever need to claim your abilities and they were flavor related that would change.

id say we could have PV claim the name of his special ability but then i remembered that pines special ability was actually called stardust on a char that made no sense.

No, I think that's a good idea.
Peregrine...?

[Drunken Piper]

VOTE: Nero