Timeshift Mafia III [Game Over]

[Ramcius]

You haven't been impressive ram to put it simple

good, then i'm doing well - i'm like most people in here

[Ramcius]

Nero, what RC claim you asked me about?

[Ramcius]

Nero, what RC claim you asked me about?

He

claimed

SK. Like one of the tings that I'm thinking is that the people that are calling RC town are scum that is afraid that he truthfully claimed and are afraid therey are going to get shot. At this point I'm only really town reading PV, Vifam, Fitz and Comm. I just woke up and I'll be leaving around here about but ehen I get home I can talk more about how I see the gamestate.

meh, i didn't take serious that, he just AtE there

[Ramcius]

mandatory prod dodging post, i'm taking break till D3, i had enough this

[Ramcius]

mandatory prod dodging post, i'm taking break till D3, i had enough this

maybe you should put your vote on a wagon with a snowballs chance in hell of going through.

Also


My vote is for hire since I'm not real picky on who we lynch between RC and SSBM.

let me think, hm:

Vifam says to RC step back, if he's town
*RC steps away*
Wifam: "i want RC lynched"

so how about i stay on VIfam? Also, i'm still waiting Vifam promised progressing and pushes, when RC steps away

[Ramcius]

I've moved on to ssbm now Ram

TTTT is town I think honestly we just need to do something about Tywin/RC/Ssbm like lynch them

maybe stop posturing for once?

[Ramcius]

@Ram
plz give an update on your ssbm read
you were voting there in 2524
before you moved to Vifam in 2564
and 2564 was like James-level bad

nothing changed, i still want him dead, just Vifam is higher on my priority list for trying to be useful, but doing nothing

[Ramcius]

VOTE: SSBM
I'll prob vote james the next day

why this vote?
I don't get why you'd join that wagon
given your prior reads

i wouldn't take her votes/reads seriously considering her voting pattern and contributions in this game, might be lynch for later

[Ramcius]

I've moved on to ssbm now Ram

TTTT is town I think honestly we just need to do something about Tywin/RC/Ssbm like lynch them

maybe stop posturing for once?

What

i just quoted you where you say we should lynch RC, what you not understand?

[Ramcius]

I really don't understand what you're pushing here

huh? You said countless times to RC take break, if he's town, why?

[Ramcius]

Maybe I missed it, but what changed SSBM from TR to SR for you Fitz?

I think my read on her started to go south with her post 1483 and her agreement that Vifam and Lox might be scum.
OMGUS and suspecting another town read from 2023.
Not seeing eye to eye on many of her reads (2217).
The vote on Fuzzy (2690) which seemed kind of lazy.
gut


Short obtw tangent....
Did a quick look at the Zekro ISO. Unbelievable the lack of anything from that slot. 16 posts of which almost half are promises to catch up or whinging about not being able to. And he's voting James the day before we might actually get some sort of result from James. Why not vote the RC wagon given he thinks one of RC or CommKnight are probably scum? In fact...in the occasional post where he does provide content/suspicions he still fails to ever put his money where his suspicions are. Until James. smh

i tried push zekro D1, when he was after James, when he tried rekindle interest, but after i tried ask some questions he did MIA, he still catching from then, would lynch him, but we get nothing from his flip, no associations with so few posts

[Ramcius]

but we get nothing from his flip, no associations with so few posts

Not true. He could be scum. Lynching scum would be good.
He's a black hole of participation. We lose a dead slot...also good.

If I knew he was town I'd put up with the lack of anything but since he coooould be scum...there are pros to lynching him. If that wagon ever gets traction.

In game like this you can't use general rules, we need lynch someone with associations, so we have something to work tomorrow, i have enough these empty discussions

[Ramcius]

In game like this you can't use general rules, we need lynch someone with associations, so we have something to work tomorrow, i have enough these empty discussions

What's empty is your lone vote on Vifam.

Where my vote should be according to you?

[Ramcius]

Where my vote should be according to you?

Your vote is your vote. I just find it humorous that you go on and on about players not doing anything when that's what you appear to be doing voting someone who doesn't look like they're getting lynched today.

It's my problem, if no one want follow me. I'm not talking just Vifam now, i presented many cases, i pushed people, no one cared, so i'm on break till D3 as i said

[Ramcius]

Do you have any other reads other than you think im scum

nothing more than already posted

[Ramcius]

i'm not going look back my ISO to repost cases, do it yourself, after all, RC out, it's what you wanted so much, keep your word and do progress

[Ramcius]

and what use from plain list? personally i never liked doing them

[Ramcius]

I really don't understand what you're pushing here

huh? You said countless times to RC take break, if he's town, why?

Vifam, why you avoid answer this?

[Ramcius]

Comm, yes, i'm anti-town for pushing my biggest SR, who literally can't answer simple question, can't make cases, asking for my SR list to direct me on someone else, all he do is "we should lynch Tyvin/RC/SSbm", i have no idea why he so TR for everyone, but Tyvin is right, this game is full of special people

[Ramcius]

asking for my SR list to direct me on someone else

How do you even come to this conclusion

Simple, you not asking reads from everyone, but directly from me, who push you most, why don't ask reads from less active people? Mine are out there, i was on Kyo wagon before changing to yours, and i had case made for Kyo, i even said i still SR Kyo couple days ago, but i want you lynched first, so from my POV you only try look busy/shake off people that suspect you (just like you told RC take break, and still continued bs about lynching him, cause he might be scum despite doing what you asked to prove him being town, or hipocrisy towards Tyvin)

Anyway, if Kyo wagon will be big enough before deadline, i will join, if not, i stay here

[Ramcius]

why you guys think RC replaced out for being SRed? he was L-5, he was against Kyo lynch before leaving, not defending self from pressure, sometimes i think you guys read some different game

[Ramcius]

Can we put to rest that RC SK claim?

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I need to be todays lynch so that my reads start getting taken seriously and shit associatives aren't drawn from my slot.

Hey guys I hardclaim SK and I am going to shoot whoever I think is most likely to be town tonight if you don't lynch me.

[Ramcius]

@Ram between RCs slot, fuzzy and SSBM who do you want to lynch?

SSbm, but won't hold back for Fuzzy either, if he gets close to lynch

[Ramcius]

How do we know the claimed SK won't backstab us first chance they get?
(Prodge)

can we add this to lynch pool?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Kyo

i dunno if you again stuck on Civ or think we forget you, if you won't post

[Ramcius]

Must we mislynch?

I'd prefer to lynch the SK instead of a town member.

sorry, today, Kyo, you have wait till tomorrow for your turn

[Ramcius]

let's lynch Kyo and save mod from looking for 3rd replacement

[Ramcius]

is there any record for how many days game went with NLs in a row?

[Ramcius]

first things first - which one of you got attacked?

Also, Comm, your offer is useless, if you give us who is conf town, you paint target on their back either way, if you just give role, then not much use from it

[Ramcius]

Note that Comm's offer deliberately precludes him proving that hes actually a rolecop (not that that would prove his alignment). If he just town-confirms someone, that won't show that he knows their role. If he simply states that a role is in the game, there will be no way to disprove it.

on top of it, how likely he could find PR N1? And by offering reveal role he admitted it's PR

[Ramcius]

Note that Comm's offer deliberately precludes him proving that hes actually a rolecop (not that that would prove his alignment). If he just town-confirms someone, that won't show that he knows their role. If he simply states that a role is in the game, there will be no way to disprove it.

on top of it, how likely he could find PR N1? And by offering reveal role he admitted it's PR

Let us first define a "Power Role". When you say PR, do you mean anything that is "Not Vanilla"? Or do you reserve the title to actually "Roles that have POWERS"? In my mind, I would not call -say- a Fruit Vendor a PR. Nurse, Deputy, and pretty much any backup role is NOT a PR in my definition until they actually get promoted and take charge of the role itself.

Also, Comm doesn't really need to prove his role. No player in their right minds would fake claim a Role Cop to begin with (your fake claim must be something easy to prove). Also, I have no doubt in his alignment also because of the TIMING of the claim.

Now let's say I'm Mafia, and someone claims ONE SHOT Cop. Why -on the plane- would I even care to counter?? First of all, other than James there were 16 other souls. Assuming 4 Scums that makes it 75% likely James will hit Town. The right play is to let him be and take him out at night. Period.

Even better: Keep your mouth shut (assuming you're Scum and regardless of your role) and see if another TOWN PLAYER counters or even crumbs. Why provide cover for "another investigative" by claiming (or fake claiming) yourself, when you had everything under your control.

Let me say it again: If I was Scum, and REGARDLESS of my role, James comes out and claims 1-X Cop, and I will embrace it to my heart in waits for someone else to CC. If it happens I have TWO Town PRs who willingly gave me their roles w/o me even saying a word, and I have the choice to take either of them out silently. If nobody steps up, then James is probably confirmed Cop, and I will take him out anyway, without having to claim ANYTHING.

Now let's consider the opposite. Let's ASSUME James is Scum an is fake claiming. He lives to D3, and his team tries to kill Comm a night. hey fail, he claims a guilty on Comm, Comm gets lynched, and James is the default lynchee of D4 (first Mafia player caught). Meanwhile, Mafia have already mislynched 2 (including a Role Cop) and killed 2 (taking into account the delay of kills, which is now compensated by an NK on N1 and no kills on N2).

Now I'm NOT accusing James of being Scum. All I'm saying is if we consider the timing and nature of both claims and if we assumed there's definitely one Scum in these two it'd be much more likely the 1-X Cop and not the RC. However, I think they are both Town TBF.

Finally, due to having 2 full days of VCs (and today being the third) with Vifam being on the focal point of both days, there's MUCH more info to be gained from his lynch (even if he flips green, which he won't), while lynching Comm now gives us next to nothing.

VOTE: Vifam

as PR i say not vanilla, getting vanilla would have no reason to ask us if we want hear what role he got, and game not bastard, so

I'm not going lynch Comm, i'm on him since his claim D1, but he never was on my lynch list, neither he is now, just his plays are awkward, i kinda agree with you as mafia wouldn't claim rolecop, but then again, why town claim it early D1 to counter obv fakeclaim? Considering we might have strongman in play, that not brightest idea, on D2 he wanted James lynched, when James said he checked Comm, also Comm said he will be confirmed town, if he will find town and that town will confirm his night result, all in all, i have no reason trust Comm with what he done this game yet, i was thinking he's mafia rolecop, but today he gave impression like he not rolecop at all

i would like vote wifam, but voting empty slot seems wrong

P-edit:

here we go, it took not long to call me scum considering i was pushing your top SR since D1, yet i couldn't get that lynch due insane resistance, i was defending RC against all those knuckleheads, i was pushing Comm since his claim, honestly i have no idea why i'm still alive, thx for making my day and reading a bit more of tread would be helpful

[Ramcius]

before we proceed with lynch, i would like clear up couple things

1) Comm night results - i want name and role, giving just name will make scum target either way, only role is nearly useless
2) Who was attacked N2? So we know who scums consider a treat, meaning they are more likely to be town

[Ramcius]

there was no n2 kill

but how you know no one was attacked? or here you won't get PM, if you get attacked at night, but survive?

[Ramcius]

oh well, then no reason to delay, i'm jailkeeper and jailed Havingfitz N1, timeshifted to N2

[Ramcius]

also, does people get notified, if they get jailed?

[Ramcius]

I need someone to summarize all claimed roles and claimed actions
or I can try and get to it later
this seems solvable for at least one scum today

James 1-shot cop checked Comm and claim guilty
Comm non consec rolecop checked Fitz
I claimed Jailkeeper and jailed Fitz

[Ramcius]

Also Ramcius, since you claimed Jailkeeper, Fitz can either prove or disprove you right now when he gets here. Which means, we could have 3 living confirmed towns and 1 living confirmed mafia.

he could, then he gets rope tomorrow with you on D5 after i flip JK today, i'm totally fine trade 1 for 2 scums

[Ramcius]

now game getting real

[Ramcius]

nvm

you staying?

[Ramcius]

Guys, what your thoughts about Fitz busing buddy? Or scum!Fitz try get lynch on town Comm today just to trade 1 for 1? I just can't think good explanation otherwise for what happening, town!Comm have no reason to lie about Fitz role, and scum!Comm have no reason to save VT, Comm getting vanilla result is impossible, VT couldn't disprove my claim to jail them as Comm stated Fitz could do

P-edit: A50, Comm already burned bridge of vanilla result, he said Fitz can disprove my jailing him claim, and Fitz simply can bus buddy, claiming to check Fitz over his SRs, heck, he was calling me scum PR for SRing, yet he check Fitz from all the people?

[Ramcius]

Actually the same question can be directed at Ram: Why did you jail fitz in particular?

i was thinking which one from my SRs (yes, i have like half people in game as SRs ) could submit NK, basically was picking between TTTT and Fitz, i was looking someone who isn't complete lurker, but neither being under scrutiny D1, in other words for someone, who wouldn't be roleblock target normally

[Ramcius]

Cool. So you had a SCUM READ on fitz already (doesn't surprise me as I had him as a scum lean myself).

Now tell me, how likely -in your own opinion- for a Role Cop to have also checked him? Also, let assume -for the sake of argument- that fitz is actually Town; so how likely he would be the NK target as well?

Moreover, how can you explain Comm saying fitz has a role that can prove you Jk'd him while fitz claiming to be a mere VT?

Finally, could you please put the three names in question in order from best lynch to worst? The three of course are Comm, fitz & James (you won't be naming yourself, and I have you as the one I won't lynch of the four anyway)

Comm said he checked someone who isn't going lynched and NK'ed, when James asked for his check target on D2, but why Fitz over bunch of others that was under scrutiny i have no idea, why scum attack Fitz is beyond, only thing i can think is they just picked random target

You have ask that from Comm, i have no idea why he did so, only scenario i see was Comm try save buddy

As for lynches, i agree to Fitz, Comm, but James wouldn't be best choice, we get nothing from that, he have no good associations to work with, if he flip red, and if he flip green, he might be not cop at all, we have full 2 weeks, let's wait what others have to say, not everyone came here yet

P-edit: TTTT, if mafia targeted Kyo N1, why they let us ML him? we had 2 empty slots, so it was -2 votes, that means all town was voting Kyo and mafia was just watching their NK getting rope instead pushing us on someone else?

[Ramcius]

If Ramcius really JK'd me he should know Comm couldn't have got a result on me. If he believes Comm...then he is lying. If he is telling the truth...then Comm has to be lying.

Therefore...why aren't you voting Comm Ram?

Why would scum!Comm would save you from lynch? And why he would say you could prove i wasn't jailing you?

[Ramcius]

Thing is nothing Comm has done that has to do with his claim makes sense from a scum perspective

then Fitz is scum, but why scum!Fitz counter town rolecop, when that want clear him?

[Ramcius]

Assuming Com flips Scum, who would be his teammates?

@Ram:

You do need to respond to fitz Q: If you jailed fitz, how come Comm got a result on him still?

Theories.. theories...

What if fitz is a Mafia PR (say their strongman) and Comm is their bus to clear fitz for the rest of the game? It may have started with Comm trying to clear fitz, but then it backfired and they had to bus the already unneeded Goon who fake claimed earlier to try and mislynch the Cop?

With Comm flipping Scum all claims fitz was his partner would disappear, so he's on a highway to endgame.

huh? Is it me stupid and don't know how JK works, or Fitz asking dumb question? Cause to my understanding, Fitz couldn't be killed and was roleblocked, i. e. couldn't use his abilities, but other people could use their abilities on him, except killing ofc

Possible, i really see weird that push on Comm now, when Fitz is better pick

as for teammates, TTTT tryharding to get my attention again, so that would make 3 of them - Comm, Fitz and TTTT, Wifam would make as 4th, i dunno at this point, game is so weird, so i let it to solve for whoever will be alive later

[Ramcius]

Actually;

VOTE: Comm

Flipping him is probably the only way to understand his weird result/claim. If he flips Town Role Cop though, both James and Ramcius will be in deep shit.

I like this, i really do, why i'm in deep shit? My role have no interaction with Comm results, and it's Fitz, who counter Comm words, i went to read wiki, and i couldn't find anything about JK preventing other people from checking target, just about normal roleblock - target can't use any active abilities

[Ramcius]

Plus like why would Scum Comm claim to rolecop Fitz of all people like I just don't see it

to save Fitz, cause i straight up said i rbed him, no kill, so Fitz getting rope

[Ramcius]

Also, scum could have targeted ssbm night 1

Why would Scum target ssbm on N1 AND let him get lynched on D2?? That's a wasted shot. Besides, why ssbm in the first place? Again, why him over TWO Cop claims (one of which must be Town)?

Also, where is the SK kill for N2 then?

Maybe they didn't want him lynched?

Maybe it was docced, blocked, or otherwise interfered with.

We couldn't lynch Wifam D1, but mafia let lynch their NK D2? Keeping in mind 2 slots were empty, scum could easily trow us on someone else, when RC started fight against Kyo wagon, or even before that, tehy could just straight up call out people for sheeping their NK wagon

[Ramcius]

huh? Is it me stupid and don't know how JK works, or Fitz asking dumb question?

You're talking about the "basic" version, and he's assuming the variant! Hmmmm...

Sine YOU are the JK, you should ask the mod via PM to clarify on whether your role is the "Base Role" or the one under 'Variations" on the wiki page.

no, my role says target will be protected from all kills and will be unable to perform any action, so i assume it's basic version

[Ramcius]

Plus like why would Scum Comm claim to rolecop Fitz of all people like I just don't see it

to save Fitz, cause i straight up said i rbed him, no kill, so Fitz getting rope

Then that would give us two scum when if he just said he rolecopped anyone else we'd just get 1, why would he do that

Who knows, then Fitz lie and he's some towny looking scum role, so we should lynch Fitz first

[Ramcius]

Who? Commknight? He claimed roelcop.

was referring to James
James claims cop day1
makes it clear he's targeting Comm
yet here he is still alive
if he is really cop that means Comm is scum
why wouldn't scum attempt to NK him?

who says they didn't? we have N1 kill, which was obv after LoX so openly claimed not timeshifted watcher, also keeping in mind most plausible it was sk doing, we have no mafia kills, therefore they could tried get James, but failed, Fitz getting JK for example

[Ramcius]

Being jailkept does not prevent an investigative result.

I did not know this.

I thought being JK'D prevented anything reaching jk target or getting out from jk target.

So if I was an investigative PR (which I'm not) and was JK....I'd still be able to investigate someone? I think not....and I wouldn't think it would work or not work one way only.

jailed person can't do any actions, but other people can investigate him, it's a basic JK version, which i am in this game, in other words, Comm (and anyone else) could check you and get results, but you couldn't do anything

[Ramcius]

Hmm, this is interesting. We seem to have a bus in play. Also to note, I'd need to be roleblocked the night I choose a target. Which means he would've had to be jailed N1 to stop me from getting a result. So Ramcius, did you jail him N1 or N2 (like have it take effect those nights).

Now the next part, there is definitely something screwy going on and the mod said it wasn't a bastard game, so my best guess? Bus Driver is active (and possibly mafia sided if he doesn't admit to bussing Fitz).

I targeted Fitz because he was one of my scum reads D1 and seemed like he wouldn't die, which I was correct.

Now for the grand reveal. The role came back as Vigilante. So unless you're trolling them Fitz, you got bussed with someone or are a disguiser.

But because of this possibility, I know I can't have been bussed. Which means no alteration to Jame's ability. WHICH MEANS, James if scum confirmed.

N1, N2 was you, in case you town and can't use your ability anyway that night

[Ramcius]

i like 3rd one, how vig could disprove me? Shot didn't vent trough, we have no dead body, so either i blocked vig, or vig didn't tried anything, bus driver target Fitz, when me and Comm target him? Also, where scum kill went to?

[Ramcius]

Now for the grand reveal. The role came back as Vigilante. So unless you're trolling them Fitz, you got bussed with someone or are a disguiser.

@____@

what? you want claim vig maybe?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: James

I forgot james had the most shitty d1 ever and Ram attacked me for it when I voted him

Attacked? i should show you how my attacks looks I just told you to not vote claimed cop before he gets chance to tell us result he got, and why you don't want vote Fitz/Comm?

[Ramcius]

redirector have 1 weak spot - where mafia kill? Or Mafia used not timeshifted kill N1 and then normal kill on N2 was delayed to N3?

[Ramcius]

redirector have 1 weak spot - where mafia kill? Or Mafia used not timeshifted kill N1 and then normal kill on N2 was delayed to N3?

If there really is a vig...where is the vig kill? Would a role cop include role modifiers?

in difference from mafia, vig don't have to shot people straight away on N1, so i don't worry that much for missing kill from possibly not existing in this game role

[Ramcius]

Are you kidding me? Solo Scum = Serial Killer.

No. I mean he could be the only scum out of all those claims.

Ah! Now it sounds MUCH better. I happen to agree.

Btw, who hasn't posted today yet?

Comm posted.
TTTT posted.
Ram posted.
fitz posted.
Vifam posted.
Nero posted (but not after the whole fiasco, so I'll consider him yet to post)
PV posted.
Elena posted (I think I saw her name on a later post to the one I'm responding to)
James posted.

That leaves us with Yume, Slysly, Nero, Fuzzy, Tywin & X. If one of them claims a redirector that would be nice of them. Can we wait until they all post?

Can we wait? Why you in so rush to get lynch? For us, who here suffering a month, game like this is like fresh air, even Wifam changed his mind, when game become alive

[Ramcius]

So, anyone tell me why we let Fitz from hook? Until bus driver comes and tells who he switched with Fitz, i will consider i rbed him and stopped NK, redirector in play does not affect that

[Ramcius]

So, anyone tell me why we let Fitz from hook? Until bus driver comes and tells who he switched with Fitz, i will consider i rbed him and stopped NK, redirector in play does not affect that

Geez, man!!

Redirector action: Redirect COMM to ALMOST.

Now WHERE does it say

fitz

in that simple line?? What does it matter if fitz was jailed, RB'd, commuted, Ascetic, or anything else? The redirector directly targeted Comm and redirected his action to me.

And evidently that redirector is SCUM so won't come out and claim their action. If they do, YOU need to JK them so as not to mess with Comm's results anymore.

missing NK don't ring you a bell? Is it possible you are shooting Fitz tonight with delayed action?

[Ramcius]

only reason stopping me from James lynch - who is his teammates?

[Ramcius]

only reason stopping me from James lynch - who is his teammates?

Why is that stopping you lol

nice to see you in so good mood, considering we still going dark, and James lynch will bring us back to D1-D2, when we had no good idea who scum is

VOTE: Wifam

[Ramcius]

wow

amazed, cause i'm not started TR you after 50 posts "Comm is town, James is scum"?

[Ramcius]

then you can start dig James interactions, why wait flip? You guys are so confident in him flipping red

[Ramcius]

so you not sure he flips red? then why not go after someone else with better interactions?

[Ramcius]

so you not sure he flips red? then why not go after someone else with better interactions?

James and Comm cannot both be town are you not paying attention @____@

yes, and you telling us Comm is town 100%, so how you believe James can flip town?

[Ramcius]

i have no problem with that, you decided mock me instead doing anything constructive

[Ramcius]

Ram...we have a 1v1. WTF are you doing?

We not lynching you today, we not lynching Comm, i'm not willing PL James, so what that leaves? Fencesitting guy, that only makes tone of noise is good vote, considering all stuff that happened D1 and D2

[Ramcius]

How is James a PL? smdh

meta, he always fakeclaim early, independent of alignment, i'm surprised he didn't changed claim yet

P-edit: my night action was delayed, so that took effect on N2, if you was chosen by mafia to make kill, you couldn't due being jailed and N1 kill isn't confirmed to be mafia doing

[Ramcius]

meta, he always fakeclaim early, independent of alignment, i'm surprised he didn't changed claim yet

That's not why James is being considered. Nothing PL about it. And as committed as James is towards Comm I hardly think he's changing anything.

I know why he considered, and i saw him in action before, for me it's PL, and i want rather someone else, but if majority goes for James i'm not standing in their way

[Ramcius]

Is it possible you are shooting Fitz tonight with delayed action?

Maybe. Maybe not. You see, THERE IS A REDIRECTOR, so my shot will be redirected anyway, and it's either Comm or myself dying for it with the other dying from a direct Mafia shot. If you jail me the shot won't go but you may save us both (if they redirect my shot to Comm and decide to shoot me directly, that is). An exposed Vig with a redirector in play is HELL, so I'm not shooting anymore.

i'm asking about your submitted shot from last night, redirector can't mess with it, also, you claimed your other shot is not timeshifted, so redirector shouldn't mess with it either, since they have wait 1 more day for action to take effect, but i have no problem jail you upcoming night, if you want to

anyway, why change in your stance about Fitz? when i claimed, you was willing lynch him, nothing changed for him, Comm was redirected on you

[Ramcius]

There is a guilty result this isn't a fucking policy lynch this is to directly progress the game and potentially catch scum for fucking once

and you believe James claim? I don't, and i stated that dozen times on D1 and D2

i love that *potentially* btw

[Ramcius]

only reason stopping me from James lynch - who is his teammates?

Why is that stopping you lol

nice to see you in so good mood, considering we still going dark, and James lynch will bring us back to D1-D2, when we had no good idea who scum is

VOTE: Wifam

VOTE: Ramcius

Ram is the redirector. Redirector knew fitz wasn't checked anyway, but faked JK and either made a mistake or deliberately pulled that ignorance card.

Inb4 anyone gets emotional, THINK IT OVER. Ram = redirector >> redirected Comm's action to me >> no matter who Comm checked he was ready to oppose him with a fake JK claim forcing Comm to expose the role of the one he got redirected to.

James is another Scumster with Ram (I had not seen this coming). That's two scums caught.

LYNCH RAM, and if he is NOT the REDIRECTOR, then LYNCH ME!

let me ask, how i know who Comm checked to claim that person jk? Comm claimed AFTER me, your theory have really huge flaw there, but i would like to be lynched, atleast this game would end for me and i could laugh from you all in dead chat

[Ramcius]

When James claimed early, who was THE ONE who came to defend his claim so relentlessly?? Ram

HOWEVER, Ram kept the door open and said it was a FAKE CLAIM. Right?

He still maintained it could be a FAKE CLAIM until the start of D3, and he acknowledged James fake claims as either alignment (so it's NAI at best) but he still won't lynch him based on "meta"?????

The way I see it is he helped James out on D1 while keeping the door wide open to deny any responsibility when/if James flipped by simply saying "I told you he fake claims as either alignment".

Well, LoX (Grey) defended any cop claim, James included, from any lynch, James was hard TR of Kyo (who flipped town), they don't count, cause they already flipped town?

[Ramcius]

A50, you used delayed shot or not delayed last night? Cause Tywin theory confuses me a bit, i had impression you used delayed, so i couldn't block you due to your shot coming next night

[Ramcius]

If Comm flip red at this point, i see Fitz, A50 and Wifam on his team, too much "coincidences"

[Ramcius]

let me ask, how i know who Comm checked to claim that person jk? Comm claimed AFTER me, your theory have really huge flaw there, but i would like to be lynched, atleast this game would end for me and i could laugh from you all in dead chat

*Sigh*

I did and quick ISO of the both of you and you're right. Oh, well.. I don't know anymore.

On another note, why would you laugh? It's not like you're doing any better than the rest of us while you're alive. We all played and and Scum took control from the start. If James flips Town I'll hate him forever. If he is Scum though, I'd tip my hat for him. HE handed this game over to Scum.

I don't even know whom to FULLY trust anymore.

P-edit:

VOTE: James[/James]

I agree, but Ram's behaviour over this lynch on particular is overly suspicious.

we will judge after game who did well, who didn't, but at this point i feel outlier, so either i'm right and you guys doing bad, or i'm wrong and still i would laugh how bad i was knowing who is scumteam

[Ramcius]

oh well, then no reason to delay, i'm jailkeeper and jailed Havingfitz N1, timeshifted to N2

@James
what do you make of Ram saying he doesn't believe your claim
yet he isn't voting you?

That's a perfectly reasonable stance for him to take given our history.

are you saying you have a history of fake-claiming guilties when you are town?
otherwise
how is it "perfectly reasonable" for him to think you are lying but not be voting for you?

cause he have history of fakeclaiming as any alignment, faking guilty and sticking to it for so long shows Comm pinged him really hard, if James is a town, tbh from scum!James i would expect changed claim long ago, but you never know with him, so his lynch i see as a PL

[Ramcius]

uh yeah players with a history of fake-claiming guilties as town should be a policy lynch

every
single
time

VOTE: J
VOTE: A
VOTE: M
VOTE: E
VOTE: S

well, James could answer himself if he done fake guilty as a town, but i saw him pushing redirector (3p role in ToS) to claim on D1, when James was SK and fakeclaimed vig

[Ramcius]

am i going lynched D4? pretty please

[Ramcius]

hmmm, mod, you WIFOMing as good as most people here, i was expecting James modkill, but now i have no idea what expect from him claim

[Ramcius]

he's already claimed scum bro

yes, i saw, then mod came in, locked tread, i was expecting modkill, but as you see nothing happened

[Ramcius]

prodge.

I see James and Communication fighting, pretty sure there was some theory don't lynch cop claims or smth.
VOTE: Ram

so you want lynch claimed JK? do us a favor and replace out maybe, if you have no time for this

[Ramcius]

XnadrojX is obviously not reading. Terrible town or scum.

I'll vote James whenever we are ready to end the day.

Ram's ridiculous position on James has him on my list of vote a voteables after James.

setting my lynch before having James flip?

And Xandroj is terrible town, not so terrible as scum, he's not getting lynched anytime soon

[Ramcius]

setting my lynch before having James flip?

Saying you are someone I would vote for. I.e. suspect.

indeed, but my stance towards James didn't changed since my replacing in, so why you changed your stance towards me? Considering i claimed PR why would you want vote me anyway?

[Ramcius]

setting my lynch before having James flip?

Saying you are someone I would vote for. I.e. suspect.

indeed, but 1) my stance towards James didn't changed since my replacing in, so 2) why you changed your stance towards me? 3) Considering i claimed PR why would you want vote me anyway?

1 - the issue is your stance on James hasn't changed.
2 - you mean my earlier stance that I would vote you?
3 - point 1 + play in general.

can you explain why i would claim jk you as a scum? even if i was scum rb, why claim jk instead town rb?

[Ramcius]

can you explain 1) why i would claim jk you as a scum? 2) even if i was scum rb, why claim jk instead town rb?

1) a. there is no definitive proof you actually are a jk. b. to possibly implicate me if there was no nk n2.
2) how does that even matter? Perhaps because they have similar powers but one is more associated with town.

Question about your claim...idr if it's been asked...why did you jk me instead of Vifam N1?

i was picking someone who i was seeing scummy, but not lynch worthy, it was you or TTTT, Wifam was very likely lynch of D2, so mafia wouldn't use him to kill

yes, there no proof, but what if you was a PR? it would backfired for no reason, why jk over rb, when there claimed rolecop in play that can check me?

[Ramcius]

You know Ramcius, if you really did jailkeep me last night, it could mean I was targeted. As I wouldn't out who I checked.

But I don't know why you keep obsessing over no kill made when you jailed him N1

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec. With redirector in play i had no reason block you, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

[Ramcius]

You know Ramcius, if you really did jailkeep me last night, it could mean I was targeted. As I wouldn't out who I checked.

But I don't know why you keep obsessing over no kill made when you jailed him N1

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec. With redirector in play i had no reason block you, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

I used my action N1... had to wait till N2 ended for my result, which means I could've used it again tonight. But you're right, while someone is screwing with actions, my role won't exactly be helpful.

exactly, i submitted jk on you N2, which will take effect N3 and will block your N2 submitted action, following your claim you couldn't submit action N2, so i couldn't affect your abilities N2 as you had wait that night anyway, then it's just defense from normal NK attempts (by normal i mean not strongman)

[Ramcius]

also, how much mod hates us?

"although it is a bad idea to allow one into the same setup as a Vigilante or Serial Killer" from wiki about redirector

[Ramcius]

Well uhm either way the only way for Almost to be scum is for Comm to be scum too and that's unlikely so

Not even going to argue. I can see just about every scenario at this point.

I mean... Even I agree with Vifam here. Almost can't be scum due to the investigation of Comm, and the jailkeep from Ram explains no shot, at least for one night. Otherwise, the people whom the bus driver switched didn't include Almost, and so Almost is lying and the real vig is letting him. Regardless, I think the only real scenerio that he's scum is if Comm was also scum. There's too many seperate things involved that substantiate it. I'm positive Almost would lie about it if it benefited him, but I don't think Comm would too. I do think Almost is lying about modifiers and things, but that doesn't really matter anyways. It only affects scum.

If Almost is a bulletproof SK, then the Vig claim works great. Vig shoots him, gets nowhere, but doesn't bother claiming until 2 days later.

And of course, Almost is a 2-SHOT CONSECUTIVE OR NON-CONSECUTIVE ONE-NORMAL AND/OR ONE-TIMESHIFTED-DELAYED SHOT VIGILANTE, which could be different from a regular vigilante.

So, yes, I doubt Almost50 is mafia and tying himself with his teammates, but he is in no way confirmed town.

I don't see reason for SK to claim here vig, mafia knows who Comm targeted. A50 can be mafia baiting real vig, they might be bp role, or they can plan use me, they have redirector for that, leaving Comm to do his work is viable, we won't know if Comm got real results or was redirected, assuming Comm is town

[Ramcius]

I don't see reason for SK to claim here vig, mafia knows who Comm targeted. A50 can be mafia baiting real vig, they might be bp role, or they can plan use me, they have redirector for that, leaving Comm to do his work is viable, we won't know if Comm got real results or was redirected, assuming Comm is town

My point remains, Almost is not confirmed town for claiming vig.

i'm not arguing that, i simply don't believe he's SK, my predictions for scumteam was Comm, Fitz, A50 and Wifam from yesterday, we'll see how close i was

[Ramcius]

At this point Comm being scum takes too many wild theories

Not really.

Comm the scum rolecop claims to target Fitz, targets someone else, gives a fake result, and now knows three roles in a single night, their target, the vig who claimed, and Fitz who claimed.

That's the simplest assumption, nothing wild about it.

And bonus is Ram who claimed.

only thing pinging me here, why counter me on Fitz? I was demanding him reveal target and role, so he could name someone else and let Fitz eat bullet as caught mafia killer

[Ramcius]

I think it's logical to lynch the guy claiming scum

Comm's play doesn't really make sense from a scum perspective

Comm isn't gonna claim D1 then go on to say he got the wrong result on Fitz

Like that's some shit you really gotta plan out


If he planned it all out good for him I guess he probably deserves to win

Thing is, he claimed Fitz after me, which raises red flags there, so either they both scum and Comm tried save Fitz, or they both town and we dealing only with mafia, but no sk in this game

[Ramcius]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it? i said, if i was mafia roleblocker, why use my ability on Comm N2? Or you think i lie that and i haven't used my ability on him N2?

[Ramcius]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

And i ask you again, why would i claim to jk Comm N2 as scum? What i win from it? In future i will try write more clear, cause you missing common logic

[Ramcius]

Ram: why did you use your ability on Comm N2? I accept that you did, but why? He's a claimed role cop. What benefit did you see from doing that? Did you think he was scum and was lying?

nah, jk is bp, so Comm looked best target since he couldn't use his ability and i have no idea if we have any protective roles

[Ramcius]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

And i ask you again, why would i claim to jk Comm N2 as scum? What i win from it? In future i will try write more clear, cause you missing common logic

You don't have to be a prick. I've asked you a question 3 times now and you have ignored it once and deflected it twice.

Can you answer the question ffs?

No, i won't, and i will be prick, if you will pester me on shit like this, which is obv, and already explained, why others don't push me on this "slip"? Cause my actions not makes sense at all, if i was scum, and me forgetting to add "if i was scum" to sentence in that wall not makes me scum magically

[Ramcius]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

And i ask you again, why would i claim to jk Comm N2 as scum? What i win from it? In future i will try write more clear, cause you missing common logic

You don't have to be a prick. I've asked you a question 3 times now and you have ignored it once and deflected it twice.

Can you answer the question ffs?

No, i won't, and i will be prick, if you will pester me on shit like this, which is obv, and already explained, why others don't push me on this "slip"? Cause my actions not makes sense at all, if i was scum, and me forgetting to add "if i was scum" to sentence in that wall not makes me scum magically

Excellent! We agree...you are being a prick.

Now I'm going to type this out slowly for you and see what happens. And if you can come up with an answer I will be happy to respond to the question you deflected to me twice.

Ohhhhhhhh kaaaaaaaaay Ramicus?

Here goes....

1. You told Comm that you had no reason to block him (not sure if you are referring to N1 or N2) since there was a redirector in play.

2. At the point where you using the theory about (about a redirector) to explain your actions (N1 or N2) wrt to Comm.....we had not begun discussing the likelihood of there being a redirector. So...

3. The only way you could make the insinuation above is if you KNEW there was a redirector in the game. Which would most likely be a scum position.

4. Which would mean you were scum.

So how could you use a role in the game to guide your decision making process if prior to that point you (or anyone else that I can see) had not considered that role for inclusion in the game?

And no...the answer to this question is not obv and no...it has not been already explained.

And you saying"if I was scum" has nothing to do with my question.

So, after i claimed to jk you N1 (shifted to N2), Comm asked who i jk N2 (which takes effect N3) and i answered it was he, that was way before my post you quoting so relentlessly, i hope you agree that i can be only JK or scum rb, any other role makes no sense to claim jk you on N1, i would be lynched by now, if you was PR, so if i was scum rb, why i would claim to jk Comm? I have no reason to lie about my target, who knows what still lurking, so i have to tell my real target, but if i was scum rb, why would i block Comm N2? Even if he lied about being non consec, still better use redirector than rb. If you have any explanations why i would do all this gambit with you and Comm claiming JK as scum, feel free share with me, so i could have a good laugh

[Ramcius]

So Ramicus...

did you say your JK is bulletproof?

Also...you have still managed to ignore my question. Or you fail to grasp it which is more likely.

How could you claim to use the presence of a redirector to guide your N2 actions when the prospects of a redirector being in the game was not brought up until D3?

In an effort to put new content on the site versus repeating the same question over and over and over and over to you...I'm show you how to respond to a question.


Why would you claim to jk Comm N2? Hypothetically speaking...if you were a scum RBer...you could claim a JK on Comm N2 becuase you would know that (if he is telling the truth) that he would have no way of knowing whether you had in fact JK'd him. And if you were scum...your team could just avoid shooting Comm to support your claim. And if scum does have a redirector (which they appear to have based on Comm and A50's claims)... why use a redirect on Comm N2 when a simple block would keep him in check. Leaving the redirect for other scum preferences.

Who knows? Hypothesizing why scum does anything is just that...hypothesis.

What is fact is the comment you made about considering the redirector role before redirectors were a thing. And continued to not explain. Which if you are town should be easy peasy.

ok, i will write slow, so you could grasp - person targeted by JK gets bp and is rbed that night, is it clear enough to you?

now, who should was redirected N2 by your logic? If we assume i keep Comm in check by blocking him, someone else more important is there for scum to redirect by your logic, that's whole my point, why would i keep in check Comm with no claims there for redirector to take care N2? And i have literally no reason take risks of fake claiming to jk Comm N2

[Ramcius]

Lets atleast wait til Yume posts

why not unvoting then?

[Ramcius]

Were not lynching Comm I really dont wanna entertain the thought im sorry

You don't have to vote him, but if he flips scum, it makes you look bad.

And when James flips scum, how does that make those even musing the idea he's town and I'm scum look?

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

For me it isn't speculation and for those who believe me, SOMETHING happened to results. Meaning somehow they got switched or I was redirected. I think busdriver is most likely which is more times than not a mafia role.

Also Ramcius, you realize you dug the mafia a hole if you are mafia as well, because if I were to die tonight when I am supposedly protected by the Jail keeper... If you're fake claiming, mafia can't touch me tonight without outing you.

i wish i was mafia, at least i had shot at winning then and i wouldn't have go overboard all this time, i could simply coast to victory

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Fitz

N3 confirm sk - we missing a kill from N2, so you can follow Elena (who is lurking VI in here) and lynch Fitz tomorrow after i flip JK, i'm fine either way

Elena, if you don't understand why i pushed Comm D1 for his early claim doesn't makes my play awful, fact that i wasn't pushing his lynch, even when wagon was forming D3, but i wanted my jailed person dead or VT claim, who we can't get lynched since D1 should tell you a lot

Welcome aboard, Chara

[Ramcius]

Still kinda hate this game even tho were sorta winning now

should we lynch you next then? your moaning is annoying

[Ramcius]

Can players stop claiming and making it easy for the scum to pick off the towns PR..............
Right now I want to jump out my window even more than yesterday,

indeed, says person, that claimed early D1, go ahead and jump, we won't miss you, you clearly not reading tread, no one claimed in a while

[Ramcius]

i was thinking, what chances that there are no redirector? Fitz is real vig, A50 admitted he fakeclaimed anyway, so maybe we should put last mafia (Fuzzy) out of his misery today?

[Ramcius]

i was thinking, what chances that there are no redirector? Fitz is real vig, A50 admitted he fakeclaimed anyway, so maybe we should put last mafia (Fuzzy) out of his misery today?

That doesn't add up to why Fitz would hang comm out to dry like that though. Comm was a legit lynch candidate until Almost confirmed he's the vigi, and Fitz was scum reading comm too. That makes no sense whatsoever in the context of how it played out.

IMO, Fitz is probably the SK, almost is the real vigi, and fuzzy is still scum regardless. 3 NKs pretty much confirms both a vigi and an SK, so it also confirms Comm/Almost. The only other option is if comm was a Mafia rolecop, but it makes no sense for James to vs him then. It would take a hell of a lot of scum theater to pull off what they did if both were scum buddies, so I don't really see it.

Also, I don't like Elena's vote. It's trash reasoning, and when questioned, her only response was 'I already gave my reason' and 'his ISO looks funny.' It's complete garbage reasoning, and she's ignoring the JK claim on purpose. Only scum (or SK I guess) would want to lynch a JK claim when there are so many lurkers and completely useless players hiding out and prod dodging every couple of days. Elena is one of them actually. I can't name a single thing that Elena has done since replacing in, and voting a JK claim that ADMITTED to jailing Comm last night is ridiculously stupid. All Comm needs to do is confirm or deny getting a result, and it confirms that Ram is either really a JK or he's a Mafia roleblocker. Those are the only two options, and I can't think of any reason why a Mafia roleblocker would admit to blocking a cop for no reason at all.

So yeah, I'm calling BS on scum Elena.

VOTE: Elena

@Elena: Please explain

that post was more like a joke, but your idea looks good, Fitz can be SK, but then mafia got non timeshifted kill on N1? As for Comm, he can't, i jk him on night he can't get results, he's non consec rolecop, that was sole reason to jk him. You think there can be 4 mafia in setup like this? We have 2 dead mafia, Fitz and Fuzzy as mafia and SK, then Elena would be 4th mafia

[Ramcius]

With 17 players and a bunch of town PRs, I'm pretty sure there's at least 4 scum. Maybe 5. My last game had 4 and a traitor with less players and not as many PRs. Idk if timeshift mechanic or SK change that idea though.

well, normally it's 3 maifa in 17 ppl game, if there is sk, but might be 4 here, mafia PRs feels weak (2-shot ninja and encryptor) considering watcher, rolecop, jk, 2-shot neigbourizer and vig on town side, dunno if redirector alone would be enough to outweight all this (if there is one and Comm isn't on mafia side )

[Ramcius]

should we lynch you next then? your moaning is annoying

If we're lynching players for being annoying you have a good shot at being today's lynch.

where i said i want him lynched for being annoying? you really have reading comprehension problem, but i will explain you, Wifam is useless and only complaining how he don't want be here

as for your push on me for mentioning redirector in that message - how YOU know redirector is in play? And since we already have 2 mafia flips, you saying i'm roleblocker and 4th mafia is redirector? Your tunneling on claimed JK for really questionable "slip" is weird considering all other things going on, for example, if i was James scumbuddy, why would i defend him? Wouldn't be more wise do like Nero and get free towncred on pushing James? I know you can't be redirector, if that role exists, so you likely to be SK, i don't think mafia would have goon with this much town PRs and sending you to commit kill over encryptor and ninja wouldn't be wise

[Ramcius]

Comm are you sk? i just coming back to James calling you SK and missing kill, maybe they targeted you N1 and there missing kill comes from?

[Ramcius]

I admit, i'm stupid, but you guys no better, missing kill from N2 went to LoX, both mafia and SK should've targeted them N1, SK was resolved same night, so we got him dead on D2, therefore neither of them could kill someone else till N3. If anyone else have better theory, feel free share

meanwhile

VOTE: Fuzzy

his comment about claims was really forced, considering he claimed on D1 after first angry glance his way

[Ramcius]

didn't you said something about you being non consec vig?

[Ramcius]

If Ram is Town (probably is bc I don't see why they'd claim if they knew who Comm was redirected to) he will have a tough time deciding between JK'ing me or Comm tonight to prevent the kill. It's a 50-50 chance for him.

i haven't used my ability last night, with redirector in play i was priority target to redirect - mafia could shut down 2 PRs that way and proceed their kill, i was going discuss this plan, but NC cut day early, so till redirector in play, i won't use my ability

[Ramcius]

N3 confirm sk

No, it does not, and that's precisely why I claimed both my kills (so as not to lead you astray in that direction).

yes, i see it now, that means 2 more mafia to find

[Ramcius]

should we lynch you next then? your moaning is annoying

If we're lynching players for being annoying you have a good shot at being today's lynch.

where i said i want him lynched for being annoying? you really have reading comprehension problem, but i will explain you, Wifam is useless and only complaining how he don't want be here

1) as for your push on me for mentioning redirector in that message - 2) how YOU know redirector is in play? 3) And since we already have 2 mafia flips, you saying i'm roleblocker and 4th mafia is redirector? 4) Your tunneling on claimed JK for really questionable "slip" is weird considering all other things going on, for example, 5) if i was James scumbuddy, why would i defend him? Wouldn't be more wise do like Nero and get free towncred on pushing James? I know you can't be redirector, if that role exists, 6) so you likely to be SK, i don't think mafia would have goon with this much town PRs and sending you to commit kill over encryptor and ninja wouldn't be wise

You really are annoying to play with Ramicus. Not a
displeasure...just annoying. You have already admitted to being a
prick...which I agree with. And your garbled pidgeon english is not
always clear in what you are trying to communicate. So rather then
get defensive because you sometimes fail to express your thoughts
properly...just stop being a Ramicus and play nicely.

1) You mean the question you still have failed to respond to?

2) I don't KNOW....I ASSUME there is a redirector because Comm
targetted me...got a result...and it's not me. But A50 DID claim
Comm's result. So A+B = Redirector. Unless scum!Comm just took a
really wild chance there was a Vig and wanted to bring me into the mix
for giggles while causing a 1v1 with his partner or some other wild
shit.

3) I only mention RB because that is the scum equivalent to a
Jailkeeper. Actually...you could just be a mafia Jailkeeper. Or
since there is no way of knowing for sure...you could be none of the
above. Other than missing a kill N2...is there any way of proving
your claim? I lean towards believing you are
something....JK...RB...idk.

4) How am I tunneling by asking you a question you have repeated to
ignore? I thought tunneling usually involved voting someone all
fcuking day/game. Kind of like what you have been doing towards
Vifam.

5) Uh...scum!you would defend him because he is your scumbuddy. Duh.

6) So this?

1) yes, cause you brought it up in post just above mine quoting Chara

2) no, whole your pressure on me resolves around my "slip" for redirector in play, so i find it hard to believe you pressure claimed JK on "assumption" for specific role being in play

3) my lynch can prove my role

4) exactly you doing so - you asking same fcking question that i answered at least 3 times, keep in mind you was voting me too, and i wouldn't said anything, if you haven't brought it again today

5) you know my scum meta? from where? Also, ever heard about bussing and distancing? I can tell you - it means scums tends to SR buddies to not look suspicious, if one of them gets killed, also scums try befriend town players for same reason, so later could ML them

[Ramcius]

With Encryptor now dead... Would that mean mafia can no longer day talk?

Yes. The encryptor was the one allowing them to talk by day, and with him gone they should be confined to night talk only.

And, yes.. I did shoot Nero. With James flipping Scum and Nero relentlessly trying to redirect that lynch, plus his bad push on RC I had confidence in him being Scum this game (he wasn't in my initial scum team prediction though).

i would have shot NC just for lolhammer, it was huge scum claim

[Ramcius]

What did FuzzyLogic claim?

VT early D1 after some push, can't remember who pushed him, i did after claim only and he got very defensive then

[Ramcius]

If Ram is Town (probably is bc I don't see why they'd claim if they knew who Comm was redirected to) he will have a tough time deciding between JK'ing me or Comm tonight to prevent the kill. It's a 50-50 chance for him.

i haven't used my ability last night, with redirector in play i was priority target to redirect - mafia could shut down 2 PRs that way and proceed their kill, i was going discuss this plan, but NC cut day early, so till redirector in play, i won't use my ability

Good thought. They probably redirected you to me (pure speculation) so that's why my shot on Nero still went through. More Town points to you, mate.

my action would take effect tonight, i'm on delay

[Ramcius]

Not Chara
SlySly
Vifam
Elena Fisher
Tywin Lannister
XnadrojX

^ One of the above 6 are the redirector/bus driver. As they did not out yesterday when it was the very real possibility Almost50 or I could eat rope and they'd know the results were switched, it's safe to assume that they are indeed a mafia role.

I'll exclude Chara and Tywin from being Scum at all at this point. I suggest we lynch in the remaining 4. I prefer Sly. If he flips Scum we lynch Elena. If he flips Town then it's XnadrojX + Vifam.

In fact, put simply: it's Sly+Elena or XnadrojX+Vifam for me at this time.

why not Fuzzy? His posturing about no claiming today is exactly same what i told him after his claim early D1, then answer was - he didn't thought about it, it was really forced, keeping in mind we have no claims today

[Ramcius]

VOTE: SlySly

let's give a try then, interactions with James felt weird, and his wish to get lynched D1 could be explained to have James on team

P-edit: fair enough

[Ramcius]

how was there a kill on night 1? is it possible the mafia's kill would have normally taken effect night 2, but they timeshifted it to hit immediately? that would explain the lack of kill on night 2.
it's possible i'm missing a claim or mechanic sonewhere.

in previous games SK had not delayed 1-shot kill, just like A50 had 1 delayed and 1 not delayed shot, so mafia used not delayed kill on N1, which was resolved same night, then used delayed on N2, which was resolved N3

[Ramcius]

If there IS a 3P it'd be likely a mere Survivor, in which case I'd encourage them to claim. Scum don't want to kill Survivor over Town at this point, and neither does Town want to lynch Survivor over Scum, so they're safe. This will help us further narrow down the lynch pool, and we will only consider lynching the Survivor claim if we can't win in the next 3 lynches.

For now, I am waiting to see whether Vifam or Sly get the bigger wagon to join it. Also, if either has anything to say they had better say it now.

Also, a point to ponder on: XnadrojX & Sly have yet to post today. I wonder if they're unaware of the day start (I personally didn't receive a notification) or if they're scum together (against my better judgement) and are sitting it out for as long as they could.

P-edit:

There are 2 types of shots in play: Timeshifted resolves on the same night, and normal resolves on the next one. My slot could have killed on N1 AND the kill would have flipped at the start of D2 if my predecessor decided to use a timeshifted shot on N1.

Xnadroj V/LA till sunday written in mod notes, so i wouldn't expect him coming soon

[Ramcius]

how was there a kill on night 1? is it possible the mafia's kill would have normally taken effect night 2, but they timeshifted it to hit immediately? that would explain the lack of kill on night 2.
it's possible i'm missing a claim or mechanic sonewhere.

in previous games SK had not delayed 1-shot kill, just like A50 had 1 delayed and 1 not delayed shot, so mafia used not delayed kill on N1, which was resolved same night, then used delayed on N2, which was resolved N3

If you get this probability why were you sk/scum reading me?

i'm not psychic, i couldn't know A50 killed 2 ppl tonight, so once he claimed to kill 2 of them i switched my vote to Fuzzy from you and wasn't SRing you since then

[Ramcius]

i don't believe scum team gets more than 1 not delayed kill, assuming in previous games only sk had it, and it was just 1 for all game

also, if mafia kill you, A50, before me, i will have good laugh at them

[Ramcius]

Vifam and SlySly being scum
would be some serious bussing on James.

Gawd, I was hoping no one would notice. I tried to be subtle about it.

if your only defense is sarcasm, then you in big trouble

[Ramcius]

that wasn't really a defense, fitz was calling Sly town.

nah

Therefore:

Solid town: Comm, A50, Not Chara
Likely town pending stuff: Ramicus
Suspect in most to least order: SlySly, Elena, Xnadro, Fuzzy, Tywin
Voting: Vifam

VOTE: Vifam

P.edit several posts not read.

according to this Sly is second on Fitz list right after Wifam for getting rope today

[Ramcius]

VOTE: SlySly
If I won't get support with Ram I'll try tomorrow and vote his partner

to get support, bring arguments, not some vague accusations, and your reads are awful

[Ramcius]

VOTE: SlySly
If I won't get support with Ram I'll try tomorrow and vote his partner

to get support, bring arguments, not some vague accusations, and your reads are awful

Strange cause my reads have mostly been on point so far.

hm, James was asking for rope since start of game, NC wasn't on your scum list, that you admitted after saw him flip red, so what reads we talking about on point? Calling people TR is easy, townies much more than scums, and some are much easier to spot, so i don't consider that a reads

[Ramcius]

VOTE: SlySly
If I won't get support with Ram I'll try tomorrow and vote his partner

to get support, bring arguments, not some vague accusations, and your reads are awful

Strange cause my reads have mostly been on point so far.

hm, James was asking for rope since start of game, NC wasn't on your scum list, that you admitted after saw him flip red, so what reads we talking about on point? Calling people TR is easy, townies much more than scums, and some are much easier to spot, so i don't consider that a reads

Hm I still had James unlike some people here him asking for rope doesn't change that yes I didn't sr Nero but I was right on the town flips you say it's "easy" but easy or not I was still right if you don't call it reads that's a personal problem.

anyway, what you learned from James flip? And by telling your reads are bad i'm reffering to your SRs, since you scumreading me without good reason, and yet you have to prove your scumreads to be on target

[Ramcius]

if your only defense is sarcasm, then you in big trouble

Can you feel me shaking in fear?

Me neither.

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Elena, your ride has arrived.



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I'm willing to lynch anyone that has a SR on me.

fine by me, you L-3, so suit for yourself, i wouldn't shed a tear on your death

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Wifam

i'm ok with this too

[Ramcius]

I'm town, what's the case against me

why James and Nero refused lynch you D1, if you town?

[Ramcius]

well, only reason for them to stay back is if other mafia was on wagon already - nadroj and Elena, so if Wifam flip green, their turn tomorrow

[Ramcius]

well, only reason for them to stay back is if other mafia was on wagon already - nadroj and Elena, so if Wifam flip green, their turn tomorrow

Are you answering your own question

question was rhetorical

[Ramcius]

I'm town, what's the case against me

why James and Nero refused lynch you D1, if you town?

I can't really say anything about that

then we have learn answers hard way

[Ramcius]

well, only reason for them to stay back is if other mafia was on wagon already - nadroj and Elena, so if Wifam flip green, their turn tomorrow

Honestly if Vifam flips, I'd go for either nadroj or SlySly. But if Vifam flips red, I'd go for Elena.

you think firebringer could buss Wifam D1?

[Ramcius]

well, only reason for them to stay back is if other mafia was on wagon already - nadroj and Elena, so if Wifam flip green, their turn tomorrow

Honestly if Vifam flips, I'd go for either nadroj or SlySly. But if Vifam flips red, I'd go for Elena.

you think firebringer could buss Wifam D1?

Well you had 2 scum who didn't vote him and Elena and Vifam have been voting together pretty much since Elena subbed in.

i made quick look over vote counts, but couldn't see them voting same, only exceptions were Kyo lynch and James, which isn't indicator of working together, but i noticed another interesting thing - Xnadroj and Elena same time on Pere wagon D2, N2 mafia submit kill on Pere

[Ramcius]

you think firebringer could buss Wifam D1?

Firebringer would bus, sure.
not that i have any idea who replaced firebringer right this moment.

i'm ISOing Vifam now, but i want to see what he has to say when he gets back.

i was talking about D1, not in general, your slot was biggest wagon near end of day till we switched to Wifam, but that wagon was really hard to push, so i wondering if Firebringer would buss considering they pretty much 1 man short having James on board

[Ramcius]

hm, still nothing from Wifam, guess he just wanted use fully 48 hours of daytalk with his buddy, so if he flip red, Xnadroj i take out of SR list

[Ramcius]

My concern is that Tywin was trying to delay the James lynch until a counter wagon formed.. Maybe I am just being paranoid and we have a TvT here but I am not sure Tywin is town. It felt like he was just luke warm about lynching James.

I dont see Vilfam as scum going on the VCA . If Vilfam is scum than she and Nero was super into bussing James to save thier own hides.

James guilty on Comm makes little sense .....if Comm flipped town than James would be eating rope today bc it would be clear he was fake claiming and was scum. If Comm flipped scum than he would get tons of town creds at the expense of lynching a scum buddy. Either way seems like risky play

not sure what to think of the whole Redirector decussion as it verges on out guess the mod. Than again I tend to be the one with the wild speculation ...so I dont know

nice prod dodging skills and attempt to save your scumbuddy Wifam was effectively L-1 D1 (assuming his promise to self hammer), but none of flipped scums voted him, you don't find that weird or scummy associated? James was going die D3, if not, then D4, so voting him as a scumbuddy is best decision they could make - it's free towncred and no need explain refuse to vote him after his flip

You saying Tywin wanted wait for different wagon to form while Nero quickhammered James? Also, TTTT was in favor to wait too, he was VT, if you missed, guess that another example of your fuzzy logic

anyway, despite some people giving you free pass, i'll keep eye on you

[Ramcius]

If Wifam flips redirector, i will jail Fuzzy, so if no kill after 2 days, you know what to do. I tell it now just in case they submit nk on me last night

[Ramcius]

Mod

does mafia members can use their abilities and carry same night?

[Ramcius]

I don't see why scum Vifam goes into lazy idgaf mode here so please someone tell me why he's scum

here? He was like this all game, D1 he even promised selfhammer, if get L-1

[Ramcius]

So, i see resistance to Wifam wagon, but you guys don't vote someone else, are you expecting mafia comes up and claims who they are?

[Ramcius]

I don't see why scum Vifam goes into lazy idgaf mode here so please someone tell me why he's scum

here? He was like this all game, D1 he even promised selfhammer, if get L-1

That makes me even more confident he's town.

this one is lost cause...

[Ramcius]

or I'm scum take your pick.
Although if Vifam does flip scum I agree with you

He's not though.

No, i don't believe you both scum, but if he flip green, i will look at you closer, it's scum 101 to defend ML town to earn towncred like this

[Ramcius]

or I'm scum take your pick.
Although if Vifam does flip scum I agree with you

He's not though.

No, i don't believe you both scum, but if he flip green, i will look at you closer, it's scum 101 to defend ML town to earn towncred like this

Of course it is that's why you have to look at the defense to see if that's what you think it is because it's such a common play

i had read that 3 times to understand

You are in lynch pool, so i have to prioritize lynch targets for later days and you defending Wifam so hard really stands out, especially after people telling Wifam can be really good player, if he wants to, but now he's nearly useless

[Ramcius]

@_@

at least put vote on someone...

[Ramcius]

Why Sly? I really start feeling like this game have 6-7 mafia players

[Ramcius]

i would look clues in Nero ISO, not in James

[Ramcius]

Actually Nero defended James and tried sink Sly after he replaced in, also tried push for Fuzzy lynch for RC defense, even for Fitz, when James was going eat rope D3

Why is Vifams replace out scummy but RC is not?

i found this interesting

At this point I'm only really town reading PV, Vifam, Fitz and Comm.

funny how he never mentioned Wifam before in his ISO

So my lynch list is Wifam/Elena and Xnadroj after reading Nero ISO

[Ramcius]

Dunno, Nero saying "Why Sly is more TR than James, when they doing pretty much same fall back on meta" (too lazy to look exact quotes) says enough to me to let Sly for today

[Ramcius]

Nero D3:

Elena is scum, if Yume/RC (Chara) flips town
Vote on Fitz after my claim
Comm is scumbuddy with Fitz
Comm still possibly scum, mafia rolecop is very common
Wifam replace out isn't scum, but RC is, and scums do replace out under heat (that's Nero words pretty much)
Some attempts defend James (not that would matter now anyway)

Bussing Fitz/Elena to protect James 2-shot Ninja? I'll stay on Wifam

[Ramcius]

A50, i feel you, but Vifam is on line for lynch since D1, but somehow he not getting there, also i don't like sudden stance in Nero ISO on that slot from "FB, my friend" to "Elena is scum"

[Ramcius]

If you lynch me you're not lyching Vifam the next day

why not?

[Ramcius]

Why do you think I tried to defuse the RC vs Vifam fight cause it was town vs town idk what you're not seeing

Hm, i'm not seeing push on Vifam from both flipped scums, but i see Nero pushing all 3 of your scum candidates, so why Nero do so? Considering he didn't pushed James, why he would push his less scummy buddies?

[Ramcius]

Why do you think I tried to defuse the RC vs Vifam fight cause it was town vs town idk what you're not seeing

Hm, i'm not seeing push on Vifam from both flipped scums, but i see Nero pushing all 3 of your scum candidates, so why Nero do so? Considering he didn't pushed James, why he would push his less scummy buddies?

Good question I don't know how nero works but the simple answer is you just answered it yourself to get you into the mind set of "why would he do that"

yes, i answered, that's why my vote on Vifam

[Ramcius]

I need to reread the last few pages

I find Elena push on me weird since I was not on her original lynch list especially since she gave zero reason. Before I go further with a counter push on Elena I think I need to give her chance to explain,

The whole Vilfam thing is weird bc I would think scum would push a lynch town.... than again maybe there was scum on the wagon and they didn't want to take a chance, by piling on > I don't knowOpinions
As I said I do want something more than just scum did not lynch him.

maybe there was scum on Vifam wagon D1, but why D2 and D3 scum ignored him? Nero even told me get off of Vifam wagon D2, when i was alone on it, D3 he pushed Yume (Chara), Comm, Fitz lynch to save James, but conveniently "forgot" Vifam which would be easy to push after fail D1

[Ramcius]

wake me up, when D5 starts...

[Ramcius]

Sly
The only case I been hearing is that scum did not lynch him day 1...... this is weak

Ram did add scum did not vote him day 2 but this really don't hold up much either

try read more, i pointed much more reasons for Vifam lynch

[Ramcius]

Tywin, why you not voting Vifam to put him at L-1, but instead you said he escaped lynch again? I clearly remember your promise vote him before you gone for weekend

[Ramcius]

Tywin, why you not voting Vifam to put him at L-1, but instead you said he escaped lynch again? I clearly remember your promise vote him before you gone for weekend

Cuz everyone unvoted and looked elsewhere after Vifam asked for more time to say.... nothing at all actually. I'm not sure why Vifam asked for more time when he didn't actually do anything with it. I'd still vote there, but now I want Sly lynched. He's obv scum IMO, but he kept getting free passes all game because of his excuses. Take those away as fake and he practically screams scum.

i don't want Sly lynch based on his interactions with Nero, Nero was pushing him pretty hard, but he never tried push Vifam, contrary, Vifam was his top TR, but he never said why, also RC replace out - scum, Vifam - town action, when Kyo was L-3 and i was alone on Wifam wagon, Nero asked me to choose other wagon that more likely to go trough, we strugle with a VT lynch since D1, how that possible?

[Ramcius]

Tywin, why you not voting Vifam to put him at L-1, but instead you said he escaped lynch again? I clearly remember your promise vote him before you gone for weekend

Cuz everyone unvoted and looked elsewhere after Vifam asked for more time to say.... nothing at all actually. I'm not sure why Vifam asked for more time when he didn't actually do anything with it. I'd still vote there, but now I want Sly lynched. He's obv scum IMO, but he kept getting free passes all game because of his excuses. Take those away as fake and he practically screams scum.

i don't want Sly lynch based on his interactions with Nero, Nero was pushing him pretty hard, but he never tried push Vifam, contrary, Vifam was his top TR, but he never said why, also RC replace out - scum, Vifam - town action, when Kyo was L-3 and i was alone on Wifam wagon, Nero asked me to choose other wagon that more likely to go trough, we strugle with a VT lynch since D1, how that possible?

I'll have to reread, because I don't remember it. If true, then you're probably right. I didn't see anyone question or really interact with Nero much, so the Almost shot was a pretty good read/call.

What pings me the most was Sly's read list that called you, Almost, and comm scum. You're all basically as clear as I think anyone can be, yet he still threw that out there. It means either he didn't read anything (which he claims he's read every post in the game), or he's scum trying to throw shade on obvious town. It didn't make sense in the context he posted it, because Nero was already dead, James lynched, Comm had already given his investigation, and you had already claimed to have jailed comm last night. It was just weird. I don't even remember who he actually TR in it, but it was someone in the lynch pool. It just looked off, but Almost laughed about it and said he wouldn't vote sly over it. Since I didn't read it as a joke, I still question why he made the post. He never did answer.

most Nero ISO is his hardcore push on RC, so no wonder you can't remember much

You vs Sly going from start of tread i still remember calling that TvT, when i replaced in at page 12 i think, as for calling most people scums, it was clearly joke and i don't want start lynching people for bad jokes on D4, when i have scum ISO for associations

[Ramcius]

I've asked this before and nobody claimed having been neighborized by PV. It thus follows PV must've neighborized a scumster or not at all. I'm leaning the former. Scum found out about him being a neighborizer and took him out, but I cannot really take a guess of any degree of confidence on whom PV might've targeted with his ability. Any thoughts?

he was TRing Kyo, so might be neigbourized him, but that just all i got, other possible would be Comm, maybe me, but i haven't been, and seems Comm wasn't either

I've asked this before and nobody claimed having been neighborized by PV. It thus follows PV must've neighborized a scumster or not at all. I'm leaning the former. Scum found out about him being a neighborizer and took him out, but I cannot really take a guess of any degree of confidence on whom PV might've targeted with his ability. Any thoughts?

I still don't understand why scum took out a neighbor over a vigilante, role cop, or jailkeeper. It doesn't make any sense, especially when James made his claim of guilty on comm trying to get him lynched. It was an obvious sacrifice play that didn't work, so instead they left the role cop alive to take out a neighbor? Who was PV scum reading? How does neighbor work? Do neighbors enter scum chat when they use the ability? It would make a lot more sense for him to be NK'd then.

Pere was killed N2, before mine and A50 claims, they let Comm alive cause they have redirect - so they get know role of someone they want, or at least they shut down info for town

[Ramcius]

i would be surprised, if Sly flips something else than VT

[Ramcius]

@Ram:

How does the following quote even remotely suggest a VT?

VOTE: SlySly
-G

Bring forth the votes! My lynch will give you something to analyze much more than that 1-shot cop claim.

cause it sarcasm, i already got my share of laugh at for taking it as soft PR

[Ramcius]

Prodding Xnadrojx

Can we lynch this?

no, we can't lynch our mod

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Xnadroj

let's end this day

[Ramcius]

VOTE: Xnadorj

Vifam tomorrow if this flips green.

i'm going after Vifam either way, still no one came up with why Vifam is town

[Ramcius]

Prodge.

Don't like Fuzzy and Sly a lot.
Almost looks good to me.

can someone hammer this?

[Ramcius]

Prodge.

Don't like Fuzzy and Sly a lot.
Almost looks good to me.

uuuuuuuuufhhhhh. ..

I hate voting people for lurking. This slot sucks though and barring a night where more than one townie dies...we have 3 mislynches to spare.

His vca isn't very good. Can anyone link to points against XnadrojX that aren't activity based?

We have deal with him sooner or later anyway, we can't let him in LYLO, i don't like his push on Pere D2, PoE reasons too

[Ramcius]

Edit: Nvm he's L1. Will let everyone post before a hammer, but I'm good with it.

He's L-2.

I'd rather vote someone who has had an actual case made on him (Vifam) than some lurksuck. I think there's a better Chace of Vifam being scum and I'd rather go into tonight down another scum (and possibly scum pr) than do house keeping on a lurker and give scum the Chace to use all the powers at their disposal.

I do agree XnadrojX should go before we're in LYLO.

P.edit ninja'd

No one interested in lynching Vifam, he TR for some unknown reason to most people, so i'm up for house cleaning today and try luck D5 to lynch him

[Ramcius]

Honestly, fuck that xnaj guy. He gets to L2 (you sure you didn't just hammer Fitz? I thought he was L1), doesn't read it at all, and posts ANOTHER prod dodge post. I'm gonna hammer him if that's everyone that's spoken. Sly is all that's left.

yes, he L-1 now, i counted votes after Fitz pointed out

[Ramcius]

My shot cannot be messed with. It can be blocked, but cannot be redirected.

in other words i should take rest again tonight

[Ramcius]

Why should you? You can protect someone who is not me/Comm. Jail Tywin for instance. or NC for that matter. I'm not shooting those and Comm can still investigate them if he wants to.

redirector could block your shot then

[Ramcius]

OIC. OK.. not shooting anyone then. Go ahead and protect someone instead.

i can't do anything either way till redirector alive - they simply send me somewhere else to not mess with their target, and fishing for redirector gives us nothing - they can't mess with you, Comm probably used ability last night, so blocking him makes no difference

[Ramcius]

I am not going to be manipulated,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Last game I was a vig and I was manipulated into Killing a toen leaning party by scum and not shooting scum. I am avoiding that, Think what you will.
There is a difference between cooperating with town and following town blindly, A policy lynch at this point when we could be lynching scum is dumb,

Suppose we lynch XnadrojX what specific info are we trying to mine here,,,,,,,Why is lynching him better than trying to lynch a likely scum like Sly

Do you have any info that shows XNadroj is town and Sly is scum? I would like hear it, cause for now i see Sly as a town from what i saw in Nero ISO

[Ramcius]

i can't do anything either way till redirector alive - they simply send me somewhere else to not mess with their target, and fishing for redirector gives us nothing - they can't mess with you, Comm probably used ability last night, so blocking him makes no difference

1- Of you can't do anything either way, why bring it up in the first place? I said I was shooting someone and you came to announce it's another night to rest THEN, hinting if I wasn't shooting you would have had some protection to do.

Furthermore, who cares if the redirector messes with your target if I'm NOT shooting? I mean, Comm likely does NOT have an investigation shot tonight either, so you either protect someone or you fail to so but you can't cause harm yourself.

So, you go ahead and protect someone of your own pick. If I end up shooting someone Scum will have to choose between redirecting my shot or your protection as they obviously can't do both. If I do not shoot they can redirect your JK to someone that will either be me (who is not shooting) or Comm (who is not investigating). *Shrug*

Last, by keeping it the way it is now, scum don't know whether I'm shooting or not. They may redirect you to me which means they can't also kill me tonight. Or they may kill me but Comm will be alive to out another investigative result tomorrow. Or they may kill Comm and redirect your action to me but then you won't be submitting an action and my shot will still go through. You get what I'm saying? Keep then uncertain of who will/will not submit an action. Let them decide their best course of action on their own w/o us letting them know what we intend to do. I asked Tywin (and ONLY Tywin) for a reason that I hope he will understand, but if HE doesn't get it then I trust nobody else will.

first, my actions are delayed, so anything i do, will become real N5, not tonight, second, i tried WIFOM scums with telling i won't do anything

[Ramcius]

I mean, if you jail the Redirector or the scum kill, then you're basically roleblocking them and the game is solved immediately. May be worth the risk. If Redirected, the worse case is scum send you to their buddy and Almost's shot doesn't go through on scum. Regardless, it solves the game without an NK right? Or am I missing something?

If Almost do kill, they send me on him, so we both taken out of picture, if Almost not submit kill, they send me on someone they not going kill to not mess with their plans, rbing redirector gives nothing, Almost is immune anyway, and only person that they benefit redirecting is me

[Ramcius]

seems back up mod on V/LA too last login 2 days ago

[Ramcius]

How the fuck did we not win with James3 on our team?

hm, maybe cause you hammered him?

[Ramcius]

anyway, i'm glad it's over, on other hand, i hope i won't have play with some of you in future

[Ramcius]

anyway, i'm glad it's over, on other hand, i hope i won't have play with some of you in future

Hey, which ones? Can't blame me for trying to win .

My biggest problem all game was that the confirms/PRs were basically all TRing us, while the unknowns were SRing and tunneling hard. I couldn't take both out without getting screwed one way or the other. I do think that if Almost wasn't in and playing how he did, I could've pulled it off or got closer. Again, Nero dying pretty much ended the game: Xnad was completely useless and James.... Lol, no comment.

you not on list but naming wouldn't be polite, i just try not join games with them, that's all.

lack of your associations with Nero in his ISO was pinging me, but you didn't looked that scummy to push your head

[Ramcius]

Sorry for the mini tunnel for a sec Ram but I stopped!

huh? i had good laugh from your attempt

[Ramcius]

Is that a challenge for next time?

ofc, i always up for good laugh in fm

[Ramcius]

It'll be hard to laugh with rope around your neck.

you think it's that easy to lynch me?