Open 677: See Nayne Ples Ples [THE END]

[Sakura Hana]

That vote didn't count and since you're a vet, I figured you would know that.

Huh, i dont see anything in the rules that show it wouldn't count.

[LicketyQuickety]

I am going to use Kison vote counter. Please be kind that when voting, you uses full username.

Unless I am misunderstanding something this looks like you have to use the full username for the vote to be valid.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh i missed that.
Most mods are fine with abreviations, will take it in mind next time.

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry im old fashioned and not used to all these newfangled vote counter things XD

[LicketyQuickety]

Sorry im old fashioned and not used to all these newfangled vote counter things XD

Yeah, that would be fine except Kison has been around a while.

[Music and Mail]

Even if Sakura is scum I sincerely do not believe that she is lying about not understanding how the vote counter works, nor that she was wifully deceiving anyone via casting a trickvote.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm proposing an E&O wagon. Anyone up for it?

Why?

They look awkward.

Examples?

[LicketyQuickety]

Even if Sakura is scum I sincerely do not believe that she is lying about not understanding how the vote counter works, nor that she was wifully deceiving anyone via casting a trickvote.

Why not? I don't think it was her intention to not understand but that she knew she wasn't going to keep their vote on you very long so didn't need to know that you had to use the full username, conveniently.

If I was back from a long hiatus I would be damn sure to read every last thing the mod wrote in text.

[Music and Mail]

Even if Sakura is scum I sincerely do not believe that she is lying about not understanding how the vote counter works, nor that she was wifully deceiving anyone via casting a trickvote.

Why not? I don't think it was her intention to not understand but that she knew she wasn't going to keep their vote on you very long so didn't need to know that you had to use the full username, conveniently.

If I was back from a long hiatus I would be damn sure to read every last thing the mod wrote in text.

What's the scum motivation for it? What does she gain from lying about the vote? And also not many people read the rules: I didn't read the rules except the game related ones.

[LicketyQuickety]

Even if Sakura is scum I sincerely do not believe that she is lying about not understanding how the vote counter works, nor that she was wifully deceiving anyone via casting a trickvote.

Why not? I don't think it was her intention to not understand but that she knew she wasn't going to keep their vote on you very long so didn't need to know that you had to use the full username, conveniently.

If I was back from a long hiatus I would be damn sure to read every last thing the mod wrote in text.

What's the scum motivation for it? What does she gain from lying about the vote? And also not many people read the rules: I didn't read the rules except the game related ones.

Motivation? Not sure. Looking busy, looking Town? IDK because IDK who is Town and who is Scum, but they could be trying to protect/attack a player/angle that I cannot see and since IDK what the motivation is, it is automatically suspect.

[Music and Mail]

I mean why not just vote me in that respect. I'm really not seeing any scum motivation and the line of reasoning doen't really seem to lead anywhere to me atm.

[Sakura Hana]

If anything using a trick vote, would potentially reveal alignment revealing info from the player, i'd argue it's a more pro-town thing, but i wasnt aware i was doing a vote that doesn't count.
There's a difference between me doing something, and you thinking im lying about me doing that something, if you're going to suspect me for something you dont understand the motivation of when... i never did it in the first place, then we're going to crash heads a lot.
And ftr Kison being around for a while =/= Vote counters being around for a while.

[Music and Mail]

I think I actually kinda TR Sakura.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ looks into shit no one else thinks means anything. Its why I am a good town player because shit gets talked about.

Anyways, RC, I have caught someone based on when they confirmed their role. There was more to it than just "they were the last to confirm their role" but with this info I feel it a little weird that you are not open to a new way of looking at how to read people. You go on and one about how you are the Norma Jean of Mafia. So why don't you give the goofy things that I say that are backwards a little more credence?

[Music and Mail]

If I agreed with you that the intent was to perform a trickvote than I would be interested in what you had to say about how it's scum motivated to perform a trickvote there.
If I agreed with you that there was scum intent in performing a trickvote then I would be interested in what you had to say about why you believe that she actually DID perform a trickvote.

As is I'm seeing neither the intent nor the motivation for it as a scum play.

[LicketyQuickety]

Its not a "trick vote." What it is is carelessness saying "I know this vote isn't going to count anyways so it doesn't matter how I do it because I am going to unvote by the time there is another VC anyways."

Could also be done as a reaction test to see who is paying attention, but we got no confirmation on that so I don't think that is likely.

[Music and Mail]

Okay, that could be getting somewhere. So you think that she planned to concede and unvote when I called her out on it?

[Creature]

Hey Music and Mail, are you scumhunting or just arguing with LQ?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hey Music and Mail, are you scumhunting or just arguing with LQ?

Echo.

[Music and Mail]

Creature does it not bother you that LUV is sidelining the conversation then throwing in shade at me by echoing you?
Also he's echoing something dumb. I came to a townread on Sakura because I liked 261 from having them as scum before so it's not like NOTHING is getting done here.
Is this like the most super productive fun time conversation ever? no. but I don't want to dismiss LQ's input outright either. What are you proposing I do differently?

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay, that could be getting somewhere. So you think that she planned to concede and unvote when I called her out on it?

Something like that, yes, its def possible.

[Music and Mail]

I could see that I guess because like I said she unvoted me pretty quickly. Idk if it outweighs my current like of 261 though. I'll look back at her later.
I would have expected scum!Sakura based both on meta and me being the only one she's played with to enter the game by trying to pocket us rather than start adversarially: but maybe.

[Creature]

Creature does it not bother you that LUV is sidelining the conversation then throwing in shade at me by echoing you?
Also he's echoing something dumb. I came to a townread on Sakura because I liked 261 from having them as scum before so it's not like NOTHING is getting done here.
Is this like the most super productive fun time conversation ever? no. but I don't want to dismiss LQ's input outright either. What are you proposing I do differently?

NAI

[Music and Mail]

If you don't like LUV as a vote would you be town to vote Hawk?

[LicketyQuickety]

I could see that I guess because like I said she unvoted me pretty quickly. Idk if it outweighs my current like of 261 though. I'll look back at her later.
I would have expected scum!Sakura based both on meta and me being the only one she's played with to enter the game by trying to pocket us rather than start adversarially: but maybe.

What does an alcoholic do? They beat their wife and then tell them they will never do it again.

I am not saying it is likely, but I def don't like that feel of it. It feels like something Espionage would do if Scum.