Open 679: Jungle Oligarchy (Game OVER)

[-Grey-]

k im going to bed.

not going to be here to defend myself, but fortunately i don't need to be, because all of Greys attacks on me will have been made already, and my responses are in my ISO.

Good night.

So is the reason I know you're scum.

[-Grey-]

What I get from him this game: He doesn't care about what people think about him, and I see a fairly genuine thought process. Valiant efforts to game solve. Etc.

Bullshit!

HE CHANGED HIS VOTE BACK ONTO A WAGON HE LEFT BECAUSE OF HOW IT MADE HIM LOOK.

Because you suggested i wasn't sincere with voting Momo. you accused me of trying to derail his wagon.

Feel like i've made this point before but you just choose not to listen or even bother responding or acknowledging it.

Read the tone in this post.. incredibly Townie.

~Quick

I don't give a fuck.

He played to his scum meta and even Transcend was forced to admit to it.

Did you really expect a confession on top of it?

Not going to say any more until I talk to trans.

~Quick

Yes, go scold him for proving my point.

[-Grey-]

He said words after his actions damned him.

after you accused me of trying to derail a wagon DIFFERENCE

Leaving the wagon didn't damn you.

Returning to it in order to appease YOUR SCUMREAD did.

[Quick Transcendence]

Lemme just remind you. This was ONE instance. He did it SEVERAL times in 666. He was sucking Zyf's dick the entire time while not being superfluous in his progression through the game. He was just appeasing Zyf.

The vote he made to appease was a vote he was already on and had suspicions before.

And no, it's not an automatic scumclaim for one to be cautious of their self perception for a bit. He was, but he's not shittingly paranoid about others' perception like he was in 666.

Do you even understand what I'm saying or are you just gonna continue to egolynch him lol.

~T

[-Grey-]

I'm never moving off him until he dies a dead death.

[lucca261]

wtf.

just skimmed this thread.

after the re-read, how is qt not voting me? I really don't get it.

[lucca261]

436: @hans, I don't see how you can say that he knew his reason was bogus. is this the only reason?

439: @hans, of course I have a monopoly of information over other players. I'm just saying I'm not tunneling you. I also have good reasons to suspect you. I'll number them:

1. disturbing amounts of flailing.
2. clearly sheeping other players thoughts.
3. trying too hard to appease a scumread.
4. your change from Omega to Spade.
5. lack of voting Grey.
6. lots and lots of LAMIST.

I just don't know if that is a town player who really does not want to die and is throwing everything to make sure he survives, or scum. this is what I'm trying to determine.

440: @hans, I see what you're trying to do, but I'll answer anyway:

that Spade readlist just feels fake to me. I mean, he has only one scumread, and that is on a lurker. gut.

Posted lot of catchups, used them to don't engage on real time with other players, tunneled a player to death and used that to don't throw a lot of other reads.
also, a lot of IIoA, as RC said.

now a question for you: do you see similarities on that game and this one?

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meh. page 19 is not so strong for grey. don't like his four first posts. don't see a Spade/Hans team, too.

miareppy.

459: something about this pings me. I feel like this is scum trying to go with the flow of the game.

fuck. starting to think hans is town. his page 19 is actually good.

I actually think that Tea is scum coasting on the possible TvT. (or OtherFaction vs T, at least)

[-Grey-]

For all the posturing Hans did about meta diving me, that all quietly went away because he knew it would just undermine his excuse to scumread me if he dared to try to justify it with my history.

This scumfuck needs to die today.

[lucca261]

fuck there's four more pages.

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also the vote from Tea on omega is really bad.

grey vs hans is getting me tired. holy shit.

I don't have any thoughts on page 20. call me scum all you want.

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about QT re-read:

Spoiler:

I like it a lot, even if his reads are wrong. He's engaged, asking questions and his change of minds about Grey and Riley feel town.

I'll answer the parts about me:

Lucca's initial reads in his intro in 128 and 129 feel off and I want those better explained.

fine. grey read is easy. I liked his initial push on Hans and his pressure vote onto Spade, given that I was thinking to do the same when I read Spade post. He was seeing things from the same perspective as myself. that makes grey likely town.

the riley part actually shows my inability at reading posters like her or similar. I still view Riley to be null, because I don't know how to read her comments.

LUV part? I don't know what I was thinking. I think I didn't like a post of him defending hans. he is one of the towniest players on the game, though.

133 is bad. I don't like the backpedaling when interrogated. Still uses "his gut" to paint him as scum. Bad bad bad.

I go back and forth about hans a lot. but I still can't shake the feeling that he's scum. also, I wasn't interrogated or under any pressure? It would be easy just to scumread him for any motive rather than backpedaling?

325 looks way too opportunistic.

you don't find it strange? I'll agree it looks opportunistic.

thought there was more.
still don't see how you are not voting me.

534: @quick, agree about omega, actually. what do you think of tea vote on him? could he be parking his vote on Omega and letting Grey and Hans destroy themselves?

and more fucking grey vs hans

[-Grey-]

viewtopic.php?p=8873784&user_select%5B% ... 7#p8873784

k tbf you do spam scumcusations in this game so its NAI.

Even by the minimal work of clicking a fucking link he knew my push wasn't alignment indicative, but he has to OMGUS me because he's worried that calling me town will validate my case on him.

[-Grey-]

and more fucking grey vs hans

There will be Grey vs. Hans until Hans is dead.

[Quick Transcendence]

436: @hans, I don't see how you can say that he knew his reason was bogus. is this the only reason?

439: @hans, of course I have a monopoly of information over other players. I'm just saying I'm not tunneling you. I also have good reasons to suspect you. I'll number them:

1. disturbing amounts of flailing.
2. clearly sheeping other players thoughts.
3. trying too hard to appease a scumread.
4. your change from Omega to Spade.
5. lack of voting Grey.
6. lots and lots of LAMIST.

I just don't know if that is a town player who really does not want to die and is throwing everything to make sure he survives, or scum. this is what I'm trying to determine.

440: @hans, I see what you're trying to do, but I'll answer anyway:

that Spade readlist just feels fake to me. I mean, he has only one scumread, and that is on a lurker. gut.

Posted lot of catchups, used them to don't engage on real time with other players, tunneled a player to death and used that to don't throw a lot of other reads.
also, a lot of IIoA, as RC said.

now a question for you: do you see similarities on that game and this one?

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meh. page 19 is not so strong for grey. don't like his four first posts. don't see a Spade/Hans team, too.

miareppy.

459: something about this pings me. I feel like this is scum trying to go with the flow of the game.

fuck. starting to think hans is town. his page 19 is actually good.

I actually think that Tea is scum coasting on the possible TvT. (or OtherFaction vs T, at least)

You provide legit Scum read for hans and then say this... Not seeing chilled tea as Scum here and I'm inclined to thing you Sus for saying something NAI is Scummy when you DO actually know how to provide reasons for reads.

[lucca261]

QT, would like your input based on Open 669. have you read that game?

BTD seems to be late on his input. I think it's quite funny, actually. not scummy, though.

go to bed hans dammit.

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can somebody tunnel me so I can get out of Hans vs Grey death match?

[lucca261]

I'm saying I don't like Tea vote. that's all.

all my points about hans can be true if he is desperate town. I need to read his tone to find out if he truly is.

[-Grey-]

Fuck that, I'm spamming this thread until Hans is dead.

[Quick Transcendence]

On second thought I can't tell if lucca's non existent reason for Scum reading tea is meant to fail or reaction test.

~Both Quick

[-Grey-]

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

[Quick Transcendence]

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

Stop your death tunneling, its a stupid way to play.

[lucca261]

unnoficial VT because I'm really needing one right now:

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Hans (4): Omega, LUV, Grey, Riley
Grey (2): Fred, Hans
Omega (2): Tea, QT
Spade (1): Matt
LUV (1): PimHel
QT (1): Spade
Tea (1): Lucca
Not Voting (1): BTD

VOTE: Tea

[lucca261]

On second thought I can't tell if lucca's non existent reason for Scum reading tea is meant to fail or reaction test.

~Both Quick

i'm scumreading him honestly.

I don't see any hard stances from him, nor progressions from his reads. he stated that his initial reads were Riley, momo, spade. the people that he's pressuring now are this three, and I don't see him trying to engage with his scumreads to progress his reads.

[-Grey-]

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

Stop your death tunneling, its a stupid way to play.

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

[Quick Transcendence]

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

Stop your death tunneling, its a stupid way to play.

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

yes it does. If you are the type of player who consistently death tunnels it means you are less likely to have an open mind. People who are not open minded don't have as good of reads.

Unless you have a new argument, I don't want to hear it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Grey right now:

[lucca261]

answer me luv.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I already did?