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-Grey- · Post Post #775 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:19 am

Drama queen

keyenpeydee · Post Post #776 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:26 am

In post 758, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 642, keyenpeydee wrote:Yup. TwoFace, Lycanfire, and that mattblackguy (he chose to replace out, so I need to rethink once the replacer got in)
So let’s be clear – you were Town reading Matt and he replaced out with zero pressure. And you actively think you need to re-assess that slot then?
Yes.

In post 758, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
In post 694, keyenpeydee wrote:However, he claimed, what was it? 1-shot BP? and immediately said that was a lie.

That doesn't feel right and it doesn't sound from town.
So please evaluate the scum motivation to fake-claim and then retract immediately and claim VT. I’d love to see your logic here.

Just because you played with players who fake-claim as town doesn't mean Boon is scum, I don't need to explain why it is a scum-motivation because you clearly are pointing out that town can fakeclaim, which is a possibility, but boon doesn't sound that way. Him freaking out doesn't even sound right. And I'm not really entirely scumreading that slot.

TwoFace · Post Post #777 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:42 am

In post 775, -Grey- wrote:Drama queen

I have already been warned by the mod so not really.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #778 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:05 am

In post 759, ZZZX wrote:I skimmed the rest and promised an in-depth analysis tomorrow as I have a test

Well I eagerly await you actually committing to some reads …

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In post 769, ThinkBig wrote:I am comfortable with this vote. There is absolutely no town motivation at all to claim a PR, get ran up, vote for yourself, and then admit that you lied about having the PR that you didn't. I do not want this anywhere near MyLo/Lylo. I also don't like the attempts to divert attention away from this and the attempts to start a counterwagon.

See this is the narrative that I’m really questioning – there is no scum motivation to that play either. Scum Boon doesn’t have to retract a fake-claim of a PR to claim VT. If you argument is “That’s just so people would say he’s Town for doing so” you are undercutting your own stance by saying there is no Town motivation.

This is just people saying “I can’t see Town perspective so it is scum” which is plain weak.

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In post 761, -Grey- wrote:Willing to lunch either Sheep or ZZZX, somebody tap me if they become a thing.

What do you think about Momo?

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In post 776, keyenpeydee wrote:Just because you played with players who fake-claim as town doesn't mean Boon is scum,

Well part of me wants to cheekily say “Thanks for agreeing with me” since you probably meant to say “doesn’t mean Boon ISN’T scum” …

The fact that other players have done it as Town means that the entire narrative you are trying to hook your train to is busted so unless you can show direct scum reasoning why it makes sense for Boon as scum to do that I’m going to be looking at you hard for pushing a non-viable angle.

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In post 765, TwoFace wrote:THOSE ARE THE ONLY 2 FUCKING OPTIONS TODAY

Nope. Please continue to pointlessly state this though ..

Elena Fisher · Post Post #779 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:25 am

@MOD V/LA until the 17th I'm having major problems at home here so sorry

Boonskiies · Post Post #780 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:26 am

Damn...ZZZx and Magna are confirmed town from my perspective. There is no reason they should have defended me if they were scum. I was a mislynch going through.

Boonskiies · Post Post #781 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:26 am

Like, how does one look at 778 and see him as scum?

TwoFace · Post Post #782 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:32 am

In post 781, Boonskiies wrote:Like, how does one look at 778 and see him as scum?

Your partner obviously.

TwoFace · Post Post #783 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:36 am

In post 781, Boonskiies wrote:Like, how does one look at 778 and see him as scum?

Its like how can you see him make up a reason for a crappy push. Defend that reason and when under pressure say it was all a lie and think town would do something like that.

They wouldn't. So if somehow you aren't scum (doubtful) he definitely is and is just buddying you.

Though you both being scum is the most obvious and simplest solution. Occam's razor and what not.

Boonskiies · Post Post #784 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:39 am

Who defends their partner that hard day 1? Like actually, though.

Boonskiies · Post Post #785 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:40 am

As scum, and I saw my partner freaking out like that, best believe imma throw a vote down at one point.

TwoFace · Post Post #786 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:43 am

In post 784, Boonskiies wrote:Who defends their partner that hard day 1? Like actually, though.

I've seen it before.

But fine. Why can't he be scum trying to pocket you? Trying to make himself look better since he has already made himself look bad

TwoFace · Post Post #787 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:53 am

Also early on you said you wouldn't vote magna. If magna is scum wouldn't he want to keep you on his side, at least for today? also with you around, the attention is off him.

You are essentially helping him hope people forget about his bad play.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #788 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:05 am

In post 783, TwoFace wrote:
In post 781, Boonskiies wrote:Like, how does one look at 778 and see him as scum?
Its like how can you see him make up a reason for a crappy push. Defend that reason and when under pressure say it was all a lie and think town would do something like that.

They wouldn't. So if somehow you aren't scum (doubtful) he definitely is and is just buddying you.

Though you both being scum is the most obvious and simplest solution. Occam's razor and what not.

In post 786, TwoFace wrote:
In post 784, Boonskiies wrote:Who defends their partner that hard day 1? Like actually, though.
I've seen it before.

But fine. Why can't he be scum trying to pocket you? Trying to make himself look better since he has already made himself look bad

In post 787, TwoFace wrote:Also early on you said you wouldn't vote magna. If magna is scum wouldn't he want to keep you on his side, at least for today? also with you around, the attention is off him.

You are essentially helping him hope people forget about his bad play.

The irony of calling others play bad when posting this string of bending over backwards to justify his personal stances (which I have already shown to be weak) is not lost on me.

I'd ask him to pick a narrative to go with his empty "these two and no-one else are lynched today" but know he can't. The only way we should be chain lynched (another example of bad posting on DualSkinonBone's posting) is if he thinks we are both scum.

Yet he's now trying to appeal to Boon (who he keeps calling 100% scum) to vote me since I'm "pocketing" him.

TwoFace · Post Post #789 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:09 am

I'm not reading anymore of your posts. Please just talk to everyone else.

Cooperative Sheep · Post Post #790 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:35 am

In post 788, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Yet he's now trying to appeal to Boon (who he keeps calling 100% scum) to vote me since I'm "pocketing" him.

I agree with you that he's hard pushing his Boon+you narrative to an odd degree, but he isn't trying to pocket Boon as far as I can tell either, he basically called Boon scum for about four posts and then tossed out a 'but if you wish a reason based on you being town than; blah-blah" answer, which hardly feels like a pocket attempt - at least I don't call someone scum repeatedly when trying to pocket them.

I think both of you are being a bit closed down when it comes to each other, and neither case is strong enough to warrant it that I can see, and I even like the case on Boon.

ZZZX · Post Post #791 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:37 am

Half the game is very insistent on thier reads. I can't really tell why. I will give a readlist tomorrow btw I think I am ready enough with information to make one for now.

Boonskiies · Post Post #792 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:39 am

It was early day 1; we all played bad.

Cooperative Sheep · Post Post #793 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:45 am

Maybe so, but there is still a gradient, and scum reads, by nature, tend to fall within the bottom half of the gradient.

TwoFace · Post Post #794 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:46 am

In post 790, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I agree with you that he's hard pushing his Boon+you narrative to an odd degree,

It's not to an odd degree actually.

Boon is scum cause his actions make no sense from town
Magna is scum cause his actions make no sense from town

I assume they are scum together cause I don't think this is multiball.

TwoFace · Post Post #795 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:49 am

In post 792, Boonskiies wrote:It was early day 1; we all played bad.

Playing bad is one thing. Magna intentionally deceived town and when under pressure essentially said oh I'm kidding i wasn't actually serious (despite defending his reasons earlier which implies it was serious)

Town "playing bad" doesn't try to scare people off their wagon by claiming a PR and when people still want to lynch you you retract and say "lol I was just kidding"

Both of these are scum motivation not town motivation

TwoFace · Post Post #796 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:55 am

In post 120, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Yeah I get that’s what you said. You are incorrect but there you have it.

Matt (who has yet to weigh in) said “Hey this one time Keyen flailed as a Town Powerrole and got himself lynched so that is a bad wagon”. Well personally as scum I saw Keyen get pressured and he didn’t get lynched for flailing. He survived the pressure which abated and then he replaced out later.
So Matt’s premise is invalid (which by the way Keyen said as much himself). A wagon on Keyen may well have shown some alignment indicative behavior. So what you claim is “Town behavior” actually undermined what could have been useful Town information.

This is a post made to justify his original push on matt. It was made well after RVS was over.

Town doesn't make this post and later make this one.

In post 207, MagnaofIllusion wrote:is a “rock solid must be taken 100% at face value” read is bad. It was a tool to move the game forward. And it worked

He also made other posts to justify this "rvs push to move the game forward".

He's caught scum.

Cooperative Sheep · Post Post #797 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:04 am

In post 794, TwoFace wrote:
In post 790, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I agree with you that he's hard pushing his Boon+you narrative to an odd degree,
It's not to an odd degree actually.

Boon is scum cause his actions make no sense from town
Magna is scum cause his actions make no sense from town

I assume they are scum together cause I don't think this is multiball.

I'm not questioning why you scum read them, I can understand that, I just question the apparent/implied strength of the read.
Like the Magna case, it doesn't take a hard squint to see that as an early RVS push made aggressively on something that otherwise might not be a scumtell. I literally did (and admitted to) doing the same thing. Do I agree with you that he felt a little sketchy in how he discussed it? Yeah, and it twigs me on him, but to translate that twigness to 'none else may be lynched, so sayeth the prophecy' is, in my opinion, odd.

TwoFace · Post Post #798 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:07 am

In post 797, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I literally did (and admitted to) doing the same thing.

Show me where you as town made up a reason for an rvs push. Defended that reason multiple times, and later retracted it saying it was just an rvs and not serious.

No town should ever make up reasons to push somebody. No town should fake justify the fake reasons

That's flat out deceptive behavior that town should not have to do not should they ever.

TwoFace · Post Post #799 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:15 am

In post 797, Cooperative Sheep wrote:but to translate that twigness to 'none else may be lynched, so sayeth the prophecy' is, in my opinion, odd.

I'm only demanding one of these to get lynched cause I'm definitely getting NKd tonight barring some sort of protection which there's no guarantee is even in the game.

So having the day end with 2 caught scum let off the hook is a travesty in my eyes.