I don't watch anime, actually, but my point is that I don't think you've considered the idea that somebody who is supremely good might have to do supremely bad things in order to make others be supremely good.
In post 2675, Shaziro wrote:I don't watch anime, actually, but my point is that I don't think you've considered the idea that somebody who is supremely good might have to do supremely bad things in order to make others be supremely good.
If the thing makes other supremely good, then it isn't supremely bad in the first place. That's why it's fine to execute bad people even though executing people is generally bad.
But the specific case you described is absurd; someone acting unrighteous doesnt make others follow the correct path more
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
Consider that people who see extreme evil become more good as a sort of "I'm definitely nothing like that guy" kind of thought process. If people have a common enemy that is universally agreed on as evil and dangerous, they unify.
In post 2677, Shaziro wrote:Consider that people who see extreme evil become more good as a sort of "I'm definitely nothing like that guy" kind of thought process. If people have a common enemy that is universally agreed on as evil and dangerous, they unify.
Why not unify them by force? Skip the part where I have to get my hands dirty.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
In post 2679, Annadog40 wrote:You should make a book, all the good philosophies will have a book or essay about it.
It's not a bad idea. It means we can just assign it as required reading at schools rather than force all teachers to memorize stuff
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
your entire premise depends on that being backed up
I don't have to back up statements for them to be true...
the literal definition of truth requires that
you've mentioned this a lot but this is one area where accountant is correct. If I say that my phone is in my pocket then that's a true statement whether or not I pull it out and show it to you. If I say that there are exactly 14 nonisomorphic groups of order 16, that happens to be true whether or not I prove it.
You do generally need to back up statements if you want to convince others of their truth but truth is a quality that depends only on the statement and not on the validity any arguments made in favor of it, which are simply evidence of its truth. If Accountant doesn't want to back up a statement, that doesn't imply that the statement is false, but it does mean we have no reason to believe it.
Imp is right, yeah. Really the better thing to say would be that you do have to back something up for somebody else to believe it on anything but blind faith.
Wouldn't avoiding resistance, and the bad things that come with it, be better?
No, because that requires unrighteousness.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
Like, your proposed solution is for someone to act evil to make others turn good, which trades small unrighteous for large righteous; but my solution is to just make everyone turn good, which trades no unrighteous for large righteous - so my solution is better.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
In post 2689, Shaziro wrote:Imp is right, yeah. Really the better thing to say would be that you do have to back something up for somebody else to believe it on anything but blind faith.
I don't intend to convince you of anything. I know you won't believe me no matter what. My job is to instruct you in the correct path - should you prove recalcitrant, the next step of the learning process is in the hands of the re-education centers.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
In post 2690, Sesq wrote:and nothing should be believed on blind faith
(except the correct path)
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
It's all I ask of the people on this site. I don't think everyone will suddenly agree with me, no matter how much I explain things to them, but I do ask that they respect me enough to treat me seriously.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
If it helps, I don't think you're a troll either, and that's part of why I'm so concerned with this stuff. Right, so, here's the thing Accountant. Wouldn't resistance, as bloody and violent as it can be, affecting both the people resisting and the people not resisting, be worse than one person being a really bad dude that everyone can unite against? It trades one person being bad for loads of people being bad.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
