Uzi, great post, but I have a caveat and its kinda a major one. This is pre-flip, dawg. I have only seen pre-flip be accurate a few times and its mostly due to shear luck rather than anything that shows that the player doing the pre-flip is gosu.In post 579, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:After getting some rest, I'm feeling a bit optimistic again. I thought as I was typing this post that I had more town reads though but I guess I don't.
Spoiler:I don't want to lynch within these players today:
{Alisae, arona, Avagan, Fukus, Lowell, LQ, & Transcend}
Going to speak on Lowell because ironically I think the reasoning for why he casted his vote and the way he did it, is easy for scum to push on. However if anyone needs me to explain any of the others above, feel free.
I think Lowell is town here mainly because I can see where the foundation of his vote is coming from in a sense based on his experience with me. It has been a while since we've played together and him thinking my play here is trying to portray an image that other players are known for isn't a bit of a stretch and I'm sure he can honestly attest for that. I also liked his entrance and his exchange with Alisae.
I'm not going to sugarcoat the actual post where he casted a vote for me though. I find catch-up posts done in that style scummy since they're designed to prevent interaction with others while simultaneously giving off an illusion that a player has made sincere efforts in game solving. The contradiction there is also pretty glaring. He acknowledges that the cases or reasons given so far have been weak but gives a fairly weak one himself. One that I can't even really engage with. The question for me if I were to ever consider reevaluating him is if the other conclusions he made in that catch-up post feel genuine.
A player I'm pretty sure I can read if given enough time:
{Chick}
Null:
{Gerry, Lexa, Pere}
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Now on to the scum reads.
Creature- Creature's 70 and 91 pinged me a little. I find it odd for him to declare RVS over considering what was going on at the time. Alisae, Firebringer, and Transcend were just joking around. Key was chiming in here and there and LQ was slowly trying to pull the game out of the stage. Everyone for the most part though clearly understood that RVS wasn't over and had no real intention to end it anytime soon. This is where the second post that pinged me comes into play. He questions why FB had Transcend as town after just declaring RVS over. Transcend only made two posts in that time period that one could argue are just filler so I think it is fair to say that Creature's read on him didn't change much. I also think it's fair to say he had a scum read on Transcend when he made that post. Which begs a few questions. If Creature really felt RVS was over and/or wanted it to end, why didn't he vote for Transcend? Better yet, why didn't he comment on Alisae and LQ's back and forth? Or even pick a side and place a vote to really drive the game out of RVS?
My conclusion? He reads like scum who was posturing and hesitant to really push the game out of RVS. It seemed like he was hoping his assessment of the stage would be latched on to and a wagon would pop up for him to join and allow him to park his vote for a little while.
Eddie- Eddie is currently my strongest scum read. I originally voted for him for his 108 thinking this is probably going to remain a very weak read and I'll probably end up voting for someone else shortly. It only grew however, partly due to FB which I'll get to in a second.
Eddie isn't making any real attempts to interact with others or game solve, he's just shouting and spamming and none of it feels reals. It reads like a constant need for attention and validation in order to mask the fact that he doesn't really have any reads. There are players like RC where your intuition can tell you for the most part that this is how they operate. His play here honestly just doesn't sound like the Eddie I've played with in the past and I feel like he's only playing up this ruse in order to get town read.
FB- I wanted to approach FB differently than I have in the past. In a game where me and him both subbed out, I had ignored the meta I was given on him and misread him horribly. In another recent game, I had took my time with reading him and my initial read on him was right. I was hoping this game would go like the latter in order to test my theory on how to read him but sadly it didn't seem like it was going to based on 132, 155, 169. Nothing is objectively wrong with these posts but due to their tone and the player behind them, they sort of demand being answered and I don't do well with that sort of thing. Mainly because if I'm forced to interact with you just to do it, as in there is no purpose to the conversation, it is going to be a struggle for me to figure out your alignment.
All that aside, none of that is AI, just a classic play style clash. The problem I have with FB is the awkward way he sort of came to Eddie's defense right after I voted for him. In 122 and 124, he points out that Eddie is crumbing a PR and shouldn't be lynched because of it. This is odd to me for a couple reasons. He just voted for Eddie in 113. The tone of this post reads vastly different from his posts previously and while his reasoning, active lurking, is NAI, it is a tell for quite a few players on this site. Second, I believe town is more likely to keep the fact that they noticed someone crumbing to themselves and either immediately move their vote or focus on someone else. There is also town no motivation of pointing out such crumbs because it just makes scum job easier.
My theory is that him and Eddie are partners and his vote for him in 113 was a way of saying that he better get in here and start posting. I believe his defense of him came out of fear that he be would wagoned for his play. Or if scum have Day chat, a staged event in order for them to get immediately town read.
Key- Just has felt really off to me. I haven't played a game with him in a while but I remember as town, he tries really hard to solve the game in his own way and just gets scum read for it all the time. I'm not seeing that here but I may be misremembering. Recent town and scum games from him should hopefully put my suspicion to rest.
Umlaut- I'm scum reading him for his entrance. It sounded a bit too overly cautious. His vote for Alisae reads like scum who didn't want to have to come back to any unwarranted pressure. His sort of joke like comment after he gave his reasoning for voting him read like an attempt to distract from peoole focusing on the vote. I believe town are more likely to just check in and state that they are v/LA due to traveling.
TL:DR: I have reads and I feel strongly about them.
You should re-thing this. I am worming up to the idea that Eddie is Scum, but I don't have a read on most of the others yet including Fire. Key is prolly the closest to a Town read I have out of your Scum reads, but its not that strong really. Otherwise, I like this post a lot because it shows effort and game solving.
