DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[The Wood Cutters]

Why isn't CK happening today?

[The Wood Cutters]

Shaddowez said they'd vote there, Farside said she'd prefer CK over both leading wagons, and if I can swing Infinity over, that's 5, which makes it larger than the wagon you're currently on.

[drealmerz7]

well 1 they are not even around to defend themselves, and there are 2 healthy wagons otherwise

I think it is reckless on D1 to swing a different wagon like that, these 2 have a lot more to analyze and more about them that help the game state when we get a flip

[Infinity 324]

fitz has done nothing town.

Well...I've revived a dead lurker slot. I may have correctly determined your alignment. I may have found scum.

All good stuff.

What have I done that's scummy?

You've done nothing that couldn't easily be done by scum. This is worrying because I can't say the same for your friends and enemies play. I've said this before.

[The Wood Cutters]

I think if we veer off 2 main wagons and lynch a scum then we're looking at a treasure trove of information. I think that lynching scum yields more information than town. CK was here like 30 minutes ago, he's around to defend himself.

[The Wood Cutters]

Any other irrelevant objections, drealmer? Are you ready to give a read on fitz yet?

[Infinity 324]

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This is his response to getting lynched on Day 1 the last time I was town against him scum, by the way. Pay special attention to the end, it looks nothing like here.

I read the last few posts, I really don't see how it's different

[Infinity 324]

I do think as scum in this position he would claim a stronger power role, I certainly would. One-shot commuter isn't a role that looks exceptionally town, and the thread temperature at the time (Farside said she'd vote him, CK had him as a scumread and the score otherwise was 6-5) said he was getting lynched unless he did something big, and claiming a weak power role like that is a really shitty thing to do to your scumteam since it's not going to draw a counterclaim. I know that Fitz is aware of this, and I doubt he would have made that claim to appeal to me specifically and based on the last time he was scum against me I don't think he thinks he could just talk his way out of it.

This is the only real point in his favor, but I think the play arguments are stronger.

[drealmerz7]

I gave my read on fitz yesterday, I see healthy sorting attempts that don't seem nefarious

I can't say he's a TR (I don't hand out TRs like they're freecandy like the rest of most of you do) , but I have almost no scumpings there and don't like the wagon composition at all

believe me, the claim sucks and commuter 9/10 times is a scumrole, but it's not enough to counter the rest of the nullish read on him

[The Wood Cutters]

I read the last few posts, I really don't see how it's different

This is a joke right

[The Wood Cutters]

I gave my read on fitz yesterday, I see healthy sorting attempts that don't seem nefarious

I can't say he's a TR (I don't hand out TRs like they're freecandy like the rest of most of you do) , but I have almost no scumpings there and don't like the wagon composition at all

believe me, the claim sucks and commuter 9/10 times is a scumrole, but it's not enough to counter the rest of the nullish read on him

What's your read on CK?

[The Wood Cutters]

This is the only real point in his favor, but I think the play arguments are stronger.

What play arguments specifically?

[Infinity 324]

I think that this post looks good, it dispels a lot of the concerns on him I brought up earlier. I think a lot of scum players struggle with maintaining this kind of energy in the face of almost certain death, and I think that Fitz is one of those people - as scum he might be able to fake the case but I don't think the "fuck the townies voting me" aspect of it would be as pronounced.

I think this is a weak point. I think scum could certainly make a last-ditch effort like this, and he could channel his frustration at being about to be lynched.

[The Wood Cutters]

It's a player specific point. I can keep the energy up just fine when being lynched, you can just fine, Fitz can't.

[The Wood Cutters]

I gave my read on fitz yesterday, I see healthy sorting attempts that don't seem nefarious

I can't say he's a TR (I don't hand out TRs like they're freecandy like the rest of most of you do) , but I have almost no scumpings there and don't like the wagon composition at all

believe me, the claim sucks and commuter 9/10 times is a scumrole, but it's not enough to counter the rest of the nullish read on him

9/10 a scum role?

Look at the wiki, it's labeled as a pro-town role given that the player actually leaves and can't perform actions, ergo kills. Doing the research the history also matches up but that doesn't matter because fake claim blah blah blah, his character circumnavigated the world by ship blah blah traveling equals commuting blah blah it fucking fits. blah blah


ALSO

With 3 days only and 4 wagon we should really just stop the vanity stuff and really try to at least work on 2 of those wagons

This is cute given:

VC 1.17

HavingFitz

(6): The Wood Cutters 806, Almost Chara 819, Wraith 905, Infinity 324 1343, Tea and Biscuits 1385, Shaddowez 1422

Almost Chara

(5): Drealmerz 238, Empking 1036, Commander Shepard 1209, HavingFitz 1373, Prism 1451

Shaddowez

(1): CloudKicker 1263

The Wood Cutters

(1): Farside22 1363

Not Voting

(0): Nobody!!!

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Day one ends Wednesday, April 12th at 6pm EST, or in (expired on 2017-04-12 18:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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However, all prod timers will reset in the new dayphase.

You have this little tid bit. Cloud Starts out by saying we have to stop vanity voting and dicking around but when we have two wagons, with one at L-1, he votes on Shaddow which is a clear as day vanity wagon with no potential

[Infinity 324]

This is the only real point in his favor, but I think the play arguments are stronger.

What play arguments specifically?

The one about how he could pull a case out of his ass

Shadow's one about how he looked like he was trying to justify scumreads instead of developing them organically

The one about how I found him obvious town in a game I saw him in

The one about how CK's entrance looked towny

[The Wood Cutters]

How did CK's entrance look townie?

[The Wood Cutters]

What about CK's entrance was towny?

Like, details.

/Gin

[The Wood Cutters]

The obvious townie argument sucks, he's a replacement and the entire time he's had to post he's been under pressure. I also think that he looks like an obvious townie and have him playing radically different from his scum game.

[The Wood Cutters]

What happened, drealmer? Decided you were too afraid to dance?

[Infinity 324]

It's a player specific point. I can keep the energy up just fine when being lynched, you can just fine, Fitz can't.

I'll trust you on this point, but you can always have anomalies.

[Infinity 324]

How did CK's entrance look townie?

I'm way too tired, sorry.

My vote is staying on fitz unless it needs to move to avoid a no lynch.

[The Wood Cutters]

Break out scum games exist but generally someone who is having a breakout scumgame sure as shit don't deserve to be lynched Day 1 since it's far more likely that they're just town.

[The Wood Cutters]

How did CK's entrance look townie?

I'm way too tired, sorry.

My vote is staying on fitz unless it needs to move to avoid a no lynch.

Without us on the fitz wagon it simply doesn't have the numbers and I can promise you that our vote will not be on Fitz today. Simple logistics


So, if you don't switch, then it will in fact be a no lynch.

/Gin

[Infinity 324]

If you are town, I hope you change your approach in the future once you're spoiled.

I love when people (scum or town) pushing mislynches shift all the blame on the person being lynched. It's not your fault town!TWC your read on my is shit. It's my fault for being so darn scummy. Shame on me!

This in particular is one of those "fuck you" posts that seemed incredibly genuine to me.

This is so easy to fake, especially when it's a common thought to have as town. Which it is for me and I could definitely imagine it being like that for others.