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[-Grey-]

And now PZ/massive looking like scum theatre.

So vote massive. I'd join you on that wagon.

[massive]

Also I'm dumb. Back to re-reading keyenpeydee.

[massive]

This is what I got from my keyenpeydee review. Talk to me. Will do MOI / PZ after lunch.

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516, 518: "Twoface / Matt is town, Magna is scum" but never follows that up; in fact, he has no idea where his vote is or what he wants to do with it other than eventually unvoting Sheep at 644.

(just for my later notes : Key references 126 (Twoface's post about how MOI won't self-vote and is thus scum) and 217 (mattblack's interpretation of early MOI behavior).)


776: Magna is doing something scummy but keyenpeydee STILL won't use that vote

836: Avoids MOI v Twoface completely and votes away to start the Lycanfire wagon. The Boon wagon has ended and Magna, literally the ONLY person keyenpeydee has expressed scummy feelings about, is the top wagon. Why? I guess one possibility is scum-key is more worried about a third-party killer (since that seems to be the complete focus of his issues with Lycanfire there).

1041: FINALLY votes Magna. Key replaces Grey on the Magna wagon, keeping Magna at L-2.

1122: Actually might play back to 516-518. Consistency points?

1157: I actually like and don't think this comes from an Elena-partner.

1768, 1770: Is this what bussing keyenpeydee looks like? Elena is town in 1071 but by 1679 is in the scumpile, without much information on why. 1157 is the only post where he mentions her between those two. But then it seems like he needs to be reminded about something scummy about Elena by 1768, which makes me think he just threw out that scumread just so he'd have someone to put in that pile. The question is going to be, did he do that because classic scum "one townie, one buddy" scumlist, or is he just clueless to his own reads and is putting ANYTHING out there just to appear like he's doing work?

1789: Is still ew, and I don't know that this is anywhere near what I think keyenpeydee bussing looks like.

1813: "No reads on Elena" despite listing her in his own readslist as scum independently of Boon's case against her. I don't know maybe he is just really bad at bussing.

2172: Why, after going on D3 about how he wants to lynch Sheep after Elena, does he start D4 with voting ZZZX? Why does he comply with Boon telling him to vote PZ? Also how did I get into the scumteam?

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FINAL VERDICT : I think just bad at being town. Any connection between him and Elena would be flaily at best, and while we know he flails when under pressure himself, it seems like he wouldn't need to feel that way about a scum partner. There's no consistency, he's all over the place with his reads, and he's not really pushing any scum read EXCEPT for Elena on D3. And that wasn't even his own read!

[massive]

Now Imma go back and read what Boon said about him in his wall.

[Boonskiies]

Was that a town case on key or a scum case? I couldn't tell.

[Boonskiies]

I'm not opposed to thinking the team is Zito/Grey, but I don't know how to sort grey. I know I don't want to lose if Grey is scum, though.

[massive]

It was what it was. I thought it interesting, going back and reading your wall, that you thought Key's read progression was natural and understandable, and it was a complete mystery to me.

[Boonskiies]

I thought it was all over the place initially, too, and I didn't look much into it. But then when I iso'd everyone, I started to understand the thought process behind Key's actions. And it lead me to the side of totally lost not really knowing at all who scum is, so they just give up and sheep someone. I then did make my Zito/Key case after the wall, though.

[massive]

Let me look at that.

[keyenpeydee]

*laughs*

[keyenpeydee]

is he just clueless to his own reads and is putting ANYTHING out there just to appear like he's doing work?

^^^

[Papa Zito]

Boon I think it should be apparent to you at this point that, if you can't figure out a partner for me that makes sense, you're likely on the wrong track.

[massive]

I don't know that I'm going to be of much use talking about that until I go back and look at the conversations between them myself. When I was reading keyenpeydee initially I did start to think "hm maybe MOI + Key" but the Key-side of it just looks like he wants to stand up to MOI who is bullying him a bit, but just can't figure out how to do it. He scum-reads him for it but it's a throwaway read, and obviously rooted in MOI's behavior, and the fact that he never pursues it until other people are doing it too is more sheepy than bussy.

[keyenpeydee]

I'm always clueless the whole game

[keyenpeydee]

like he wants to stand up to MOI who is bullying him a bit

Please don't say something like this ever again. Real life issues . Thanks!

[Boonskiies]

I mean, your partner is key, massive, or grey. I've stated that. But when I interact with the others, I like to talk to them from them as town perspective.

[Boonskiies]

I do think a PZ lynch toDay is our best chance at a win this game. Hopefully scum shoots me even though I'm probably actually BP toNight.

[Papa Zito]

Well I've openly defended both key and grey, so now what?

I've also declared both you and Sheep town. Sure not leaving myself many options am I.

Can you articulate a case on me that's based on things I've actually said and done and that's based on concrete facts plz? You're so dead set on me being scum here there must be a really solid foundation that doesn't involve pairings with unflipped players or assigning motivations that don't make sense in context or contradictory conspiracy theories right? Because your wagon doesn't seem to be gaining momentum and if you're really truly and completely sure I'm scum here I'd think you would want to do a better job rallying people to your banner.

[Boonskiies]

I mean, I've pretty much considered your lynch a lock for the day. ZZZx, and then either sheep or grey will eventually probably move over come deadline.

[Papa Zito]

I'll take that as a no.

[Boonskiies]

Honestly, it's been mostly MOI. Also, that and I'm still convinced that self voting town post you made made me feel like scum looking for some faux town cred. I feel I've made a lot of cases towards your slot already. I don't understand why I need to give more. I've given what I had.

[Boonskiies]

I'm not trying to convince you to lynch yourself...-.-

[Papa Zito]

No but you should be trying to convince the others to do so. And your giant mudslide of a post and flipfloppy contradictory reads make it hard for me to figure out what the hell you're thinking and I'm sure that's true for them too. Also I'm not asking you to give "more" I'm asking for you to provide something that's clear, concise and to the point.

[-Grey-]

Don't see myself voting Zito at this point.

I mean, if it came down to a "him or me" scenario, survivalism wins the day, but that's about what it would take to get me to vote him.

[Cooperative Sheep]

I am super exhausted - but will admit my general take away from the new pages is liking my current vote and liking my current soft town on Zito. I think he's being offputting, but I think it's more personality than role PM making it happen.